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Old 12-28-2015, 12:52 PM
 
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You see videos on YouTube of Muslim conducting Sharia patrols in secular European nations trying to enforce Sharia Laws upon non-Muslim citizens who aren't breaking their nation's laws. My wife and I choose to not drink alcohol and wish others would also do so but we won't try to force them to stop. We eat pork and shellfish and with the exception of a doctor, I don't want anyone telling me not to eat what I want. I too want women to dress a bit more modestly but I'm not going to verbally and physically attack a girl for dressing in such a way. If you buy a Christian/Catholic bible and publicly destroy it, big deal. But if a non-Muslim buys a Qur'an and publicly destroy it, he/she is physically attacked by Muslims. Making a cartoon drawing of Islam's prophet is a violation of Islamic law. But Islamic laws does not apply to non-Muslims. And yet non-Muslims in secular European countries are executed for doing this and use Islamic laws as justification for the murder.
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Old 12-28-2015, 01:26 PM
 
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Actual sharia is for Muslims only. It is a violation of Islam to force sharia upon non-Muslims. No Islamic nation,existing today, has true sharia what you have are laws of political leaders being called sharia.
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Old 12-28-2015, 03:48 PM
 
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Actual sharia is for Muslims only. It is a violation of Islam to force sharia upon non-Muslims. No Islamic nation,existing today, has true sharia what you have are laws of political leaders being called sharia.
And yet in England, France, Netherlands, and even some Muslim communities here in USA have people patrolling to enforce Sharia laws on non-Muslims. Insult Islam publicly and you risk being executed.
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Old 12-28-2015, 04:04 PM
 
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And yet in England, France, Netherlands, and even some Muslim communities here in USA have people patrolling to enforce Sharia laws on non-Muslims. Insult Islam publicly and you risk being executed.
Most of us Muslims want the Civil laws to be enforced for Muslims and consenting non-Muslims. We can and do us the Shariah Civil laws, legally, but have to do so in a round about manner, by writing them as civil contracts between individuals and filing them in civil court. But that entails lawyer fees and court cost. We want the same right Jews have every State recognized Jewish civil law and they are pemitted to have issues regarding Jews to be held in a Judaic court. We want the same right. This does not entail criminal cases which must always be handled by the state. Just Islamic issues being removed from state courts and resolved through an Islamic tribunal.

Few Muslims want Sharia enforced upon non-Muslims and those who do are in violation of Shariah law by doing so.
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Old 12-29-2015, 01:19 AM
 
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Why do some Muslims expect non-Muslims to adhere to Sharia Laws?


You are indeed realistic by qualifying 'SOME' which is very relevant in this case.
However what is 'SOME' is a very critical problem as even some 20% of 1.5 Muslims is 300 million.


It is usually the minority in this case who made the most noise and threats, and thus has subliminally coerced some stupid government to give leeway for Sharia to be implemented in their countries despite the absence of rational ground other than emotional and psychological insecurities of those 'some' Muslims.

Why are SOME Muslims so Crazy of Sharia;
1. Underlying theistic religions is a very serious and terrible existential crisis.
2. Religions provide a quick relief to such an existential desperation as if the person is against a serious threat of immediate death [in the subliminal context].
3. Because religions provide the immediate relief to an underlying existential angst, theists will cling their religions as if there is no tomorrow or hanging to it by the skin of their teeth.
4. Any threat to the 'truth' of their religion means they lose its security and thus fall into psychological insecurity and terrible angst.
5. In Islam, the idea and practice of Sharia in totality [as God's command] is linked to such a psychological securities. This mean the enforcement of Sharia will reinforce their emotional and psychological security.
6. The acceptance or enforcement of Sharia on even non-Muslims will promote greater psychological security.
7. This is the same with other ideologies, all communists want the whole world to accept Communism and be a communist so that they will get greater validation of their beliefs and thus greater emotional and psychological comfort, ease or even pleasure.
8. When SOME Muslims do not get what they expected from others, some will go to the extreme of using threat [as sanctioned by Allah] on non-Muslims and even Muslims to comply with Sharia.


So why some Muslims expect non-Muslims to adhere to Sharia Law is due to the underlying emotional and psychological insecurities the are infected with despite that Sharia Law contain one of the most barbaric elements relative to the modern era.


Sharia Law based on the immutable laws of Allah is obvious rigid and will not change to adapt to the inevitable changes of reality.


It is thus ridiculous for the non-Muslims to face the demands of some Muslims to adhere to Sharia Law which is rigid, barbaric and based on an entity that is illusory and do not exists.


Secular Laws are thus the most effective and optimal as these Laws are to be based on Moral Maxims and open to changes [by majority consensus on the basis of continual improvements] whenever the situations and circumstances warrant it.
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Old 12-29-2015, 05:15 PM
 
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Why do some Muslims expect non-Muslims to adhere to Sharia Laws?


You are indeed realistic by qualifying 'SOME' which is very relevant in this case.
However what is 'SOME' is a very critical problem as even some 20% of 1.5 Muslims is 300 million.


It is usually the minority in this case who made the most noise and threats, and thus has subliminally coerced some stupid government to give leeway for Sharia to be implemented in their countries despite the absence of rational ground other than emotional and psychological insecurities of those 'some' Muslims.

Why are SOME Muslims so Crazy of Sharia;
1. Underlying theistic religions is a very serious and terrible existential crisis.
2. Religions provide a quick relief to such an existential desperation as if the person is against a serious threat of immediate death [in the subliminal context].
3. Because religions provide the immediate relief to an underlying existential angst, theists will cling their religions as if there is no tomorrow or hanging to it by the skin of their teeth.
4. Any threat to the 'truth' of their religion means they lose its security and thus fall into psychological insecurity and terrible angst.
5. In Islam, the idea and practice of Sharia in totality [as God's command] is linked to such a psychological securities. This mean the enforcement of Sharia will reinforce their emotional and psychological security.
6. The acceptance or enforcement of Sharia on even non-Muslims will promote greater psychological security.
7. This is the same with other ideologies, all communists want the whole world to accept Communism and be a communist so that they will get greater validation of their beliefs and thus greater emotional and psychological comfort, ease or even pleasure.
8. When SOME Muslims do not get what they expected from others, some will go to the extreme of using threat [as sanctioned by Allah] on non-Muslims and even Muslims to comply with Sharia.


So why some Muslims expect non-Muslims to adhere to Sharia Law is due to the underlying emotional and psychological insecurities the are infected with despite that Sharia Law contain one of the most barbaric elements relative to the modern era.


Sharia Law based on the immutable laws of Allah is obvious rigid and will not change to adapt to the inevitable changes of reality.


It is thus ridiculous for the non-Muslims to face the demands of some Muslims to adhere to Sharia Law which is rigid, barbaric and based on an entity that is illusory and do not exists.


Secular Laws are thus the most effective and optimal as these Laws are to be based on Moral Maxims and open to changes [by majority consensus on the basis of continual improvements] whenever the situations and circumstances warrant it.
I sometimes wonder if the praying 5 times a day and having to memorize the Quran plays a part in such beliefs and behavior. The internet made things worse in that the nut jobs could more easily find each other and feel empowered in their shared beliefs as well as pass on their version of Islam to others around the world.
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Old 12-29-2015, 06:14 PM
 
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I sometimes wonder if the praying 5 times a day and having to memorize the Quran plays a part in such beliefs and behavior. The internet made things worse in that the nut jobs could more easily find each other and feel empowered in their shared beliefs as well as pass on their version of Islam to others around the world.
We do not have to memorize the Qur'an. Currently less than 20% of the worlds Muslims are Hafiz, a person who has memorized.

Up until very recent times, Arabic had to be written by hand. It is only through photocopy and chemical engraving that it could be mechanically printed. As a result very few Qur'ans were written One member of more of each Family would memorize the Qur'an and be the source of the Qur'an for the family.

Many, perhaps most of us look forward to the 5 dauly prayers. Even though to a non-Muslim they can seem monotonous as They never varies except for the 9 or so lines from the Qur'an the Imam chooses to recite. For those of us who seldom attend a Mosque we simply use the same lines daily. Most Muslims say their prayers alone or with a small group of close friends. The oldest one serving as Imam.

also as most Mosques are filled to capacity at prayer time most of us say the prayers outside the Mosque. Any open field will suffice. The building is not needed.

While it is true the internet has made it easier for the nut-jobs to gain an audience, it has also made it easier for us to identify the nutjobs. They can no longer hide for long.
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Old 12-29-2015, 09:41 PM
 
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I sometimes wonder if the praying 5 times a day and having to memorize the Quran plays a part in such beliefs and behavior. The internet made things worse in that the nut jobs could more easily find each other and feel empowered in their shared beliefs as well as pass on their version of Islam to others around the world.
As I had mentioned above, i.e.

Why are SOME Muslims so Crazy of Sharia;
1. Underlying theistic religions is a very serious and terrible existential crisis.
2. Religions provide a quick relief to such an existential desperation as if the person is against a serious threat of immediate death [in the subliminal context].
The most fundamental and ultimate root cause are from 1 above, i.e. the existential crisis that generate subliminal psychological desperations that compel one to take the religious path. It is because it is subliminal that an religious person often are not conscious of what they are doing or what is compelling them to act they way they have to do.


From 1 and 2, Muslims are then driven to pray 5 times a day as a compliance, else go to Hell. Memorization of the Quran is not a critical factor in Islam.


The existential crisis compel one to obey and comply what is in the holy texts from an all powerful God who promise eternal life.
Thus the more one comply with God's words, the more secure one feel.
What is unfortunate with Islam is what must be complied come with tons of evil laden elements.
Therefore, those who are naturally evil prone will then be subliminally influenced and compelled to commit evils and violence to ensure greater assurance and security of going to Paradise and avoiding Hell. This is a reality that is supported by glaring evidences.


Btw, there is no mentioned of the Sharia in the Quran at all. Thus a Muslim will go to Paradise if s/he comply with the terms and conditions in the Quran.
The Sharia was invented by certain groups of clergy who wanted to please Allah based on their personal interpretations of the Quran and the sayings and actions of Muhammad. E.g. the penalty of stoning to death for adultery in the Sharia, the Hijab, Burga, are not in the Quran at all.


Yes, the internet is a factor in spreading the evil elements besides the good elements.
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Old 01-10-2016, 04:33 PM
 
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These people need to go back to the Middle East.

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Old 01-10-2016, 06:44 PM
 
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Just Islamic issues being removed from state courts and resolved through an Islamic tribunal.

How would an Islamic Tribunal enforce its decisions?


I mean, you and I could have a disagreement and we could agree to have it resolved by an Islamic tribunal. If I did not like the decision made by the tribunal, I could just ignore it, couldn't I?
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