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Old 02-04-2016, 07:06 PM
 
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Just wondering how Jesus seemed to micromanage some 600 plus laws mostly rabbinical ( added to the word of God) to provide compliance ( many believed to be overzealous) ie, death to those not adhering to Sabbath, stoning of out of wedlock pregnant women, crucifixtions for blasphemy for a few examples. Jesus did away with the majority of laws upon his salvation message saving a few mosaic and moral laws not withstanding the ten commandments. Islam on the other hand via the Quran and writings of Mohammad did not leave room for cultural change visioned by Jesus. Non of Mohammad's predecessors adjusted the Quran to eliminate what was earlier perceived as culturally appropriate centuries ago to get "compliance to Sunnah. The barbaric rules within the OTof scripture and Quran must be examined as inappropriate in like fashion within a more civilized society. Mohammad was a warlord a man raised in violence and lawlessness seeing a need for even beheading to make his message ring out. Beheading, torture, crucifixion, burning alive appease only blood thirsty sadomastic, psychopaths like ISIS misapplying even ancient rules killing innocent children and adults to apply fear rather than any blasphemy toward the prophet. Rather than killing converts simply excommunicate them from the muslim faith and just embrass your faith and that of the messenger !! It's called " freedom from religious oppression".

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Old 02-04-2016, 10:27 PM
 
Location: Logan Township, Minnesota
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Just wondering how Jesus seemed to micromanage some 600 plus laws mostly rabbinical ( added to the word of God) to provide compliance ( many believed to be overzealous) ie, death to those not adhering to Sabbath, stoning of out of wedlock pregnant women, crucifixtions for blasphemy for a few examples. Jesus did away with the majority of laws upon his salvation message saving a few mosaic and moral laws not withstanding the ten commandments. Islam on the other hand via the Quran and writings of Mohammad did not leave room for cultural change visioned by Jesus. Non of Mohammad's predecessors adjusted the Quran to eliminate what was earlier perceived as culturally appropriate centuries ago to get "compliance to Sunnah. The barbaric rules within the OTof scripture and Quran must be examined as inappropriate in like fashion within a more civilized society. Mohammad was a warlord a man raised in violence and lawlessness seeing a need for even beheading to make his message ring out. Beheading, torture, crucifixion, burning alive appease only blood thirsty sadomastic, psychopaths like ISIS misapplying even ancient rules killing innocent children and adults to apply fear rather than any blasphemy toward the prophet. Rather than killing converts simply excommunicate them from the muslim faith and just embrass your faith and that of the messenger !! It's called " freedom from religious oppression".
There is no excommunication as Islam is not an organization. Nobody "Joins" Islam. One either claims to perform Islam or they don't.

We do not even know who is a Muslim everyone who claims to be Muslim is accepted as a Muslim even if we believe they are not following Islam
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Old 02-04-2016, 11:18 PM
 
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Just wondering how Jesus seemed to micromanage some 600 plus laws mostly rabbinical ( added to the word of God) to provide compliance ( many believed to be overzealous) ie, death to those not adhering to Sabbath, stoning of out of wedlock pregnant women, crucifixtions for blasphemy for a few examples. Jesus did away with the majority of laws upon his salvation message saving a few mosaic and moral laws not withstanding the ten commandments.


Islam on the other hand via the Quran and writings of Mohammad did not leave room for cultural change visioned by Jesus.
Non of Mohammad's predecessors adjusted the Quran to eliminate what was earlier perceived as culturally appropriate centuries ago to get "compliance to Sunnah.
The barbaric rules within the OTof scripture and Quran must be examined as inappropriate in like fashion within a more civilized society.
Mohammad was a warlord a man raised in violence and lawlessness seeing a need for even beheading to make his message ring out.
Beheading, torture, crucifixion, burning alive appease only blood thirsty sadomastic, psychopaths like ISIS misapplying even ancient rules killing innocent children and adults to apply fear rather than any blasphemy toward the prophet.
Rather than killing converts simply excommunicate them from the muslim faith and just embrass your faith and that of the messenger !! It's called "freedom from religious oppression".
It is a direct proclamation by Allah which forbid the change of any rules in the Quran.

5:3 [part] ... This day have I [Allah] Perfected your religion [deenakum] for you [Muslims] and completed My favour unto you [Muslims], and have chosen for you [Muslims] as religion [deenan] AL-ISLAM. ...
Since Islam is completed, perfected and final as proclaimed by Allah in the Quran, there is no room for change with appropriateness to circumstances and time as the words of Allah are immutable.
Except for unpardonable sins, there are provisions for degrees of executions of the deeds to the best of one's ability. For example, a Muslim can pay zakat based on what he can afford.


The problem with Islam is the Quran contains evil laden verses [of various degrees] and since they are words of Allah and immutable, these evil laden verses will naturally influenced and inspired the natural percentage of evil prone Muslims to commit terrible evils and violence around the world. This is evidently glaring with news [on almost a daily basis] of evils and violence by SOME [not all] Muslims.
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Old 02-05-2016, 08:11 AM
 
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Many of us do not adhere to the so-called proclamation of Allah via the messenger Mohammad ,but rather a "man" driven in religousity ,who co-wrote the Quran . Mohammad was a spin doctor with more of a script out of Jesus' walk combined with his and others desire to make a faith with exclusivity. To create a mindset that somehow Allah wishes in the finality of life ALL must adhere to Quran as if its is in someway superior to scripture. This nonesense also crosses over to Christianity or pseudo Christianity as various faiths adhere to THEIR fancy religion to be the ONLY faith accepted by God. Baloney! Man has corrupted Gods inspired word adding their own version , visions, ephipanies .....really? The reality is Jesus is saying oy Vey! My flock is lacking authority! Satan wants everyone he can muster to join him in a pilgrimage instead of Mecca to the Lake of Fire where unbelievers in the Son of Man end up screaming for a drop of water on there religousity tongue!!! Salam brothers and sisters.

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Old 02-05-2016, 08:36 AM
 
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Many of us do not adhere to the so-called proclamation of Allah via the messenger Mohammad ,but rather a "man" driven in religousity ,who co-wrote the Quran . Mohammad was a spin doctor with more of a script out of Jesus' walk combined with his and others desire to make a faith with exclusivity. To create a mindset that somehow Allah wishes in the finality of life ALL must adhere to Quran as if its is in someway superior to scripture. This nonesense also crosses over to Christianity or pseudo Christianity as various faiths adhere to THEIR fancy religion to be the ONLY faith accepted by God. Baloney! Man has corrupted Gods inspired word adding their own version , visions, ephipanies .....really? The reality is Jesus is saying oy Vey! My flock is nuts!


In that respect we are nearly identical with the Christians.

The Christians believe Jesus will return and destroy the Antichrist and then will wage a massive final war against all who followed the antichrist either casting them out, destroying them or converting them to Christianity, Then all people will be Cjhristian and there will be a reign of Peace.



The Muslims believe Jesus will return and destroy the Antichrist and then will wage a massive final war against all who followed the antichrist either casting them out, destroying them or converting them to Islam, Then all people will be Muslim and there will be a reign of Peace.


We do believe all of the Prophets(PBUT) preached true Scripture. We do not believe the Qur'an is a new revelation. We believe it is what was also given to the Jews, Sabeeans, Christians and all people of all Nations. But people for various reasons managed to either fail to preserve it or corrupted their following it. The Message of the Qur'an is very simple that being "There is only one God, and He alone is to be worshiped."
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Old 02-05-2016, 06:21 PM
 
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Woodrow brings and interesting twist to the dialog of the Islamic faith. No one JOINS Islam ( good point) as a christian I haven' JOINED a church
or denomination based on the same principles of my beloved muslims. Woodrow would be a saint in our realm. I love the discipline of muslims
even if we differ. I find muslims to be extremely intelligent even the radicals who are mislead pupets. If we could harness the talents of muslims I truley believe we would cure many diseases and advance our society with their disciplined and focused by providing oportunities in education and
social justice ! Naturally I knew there is no excomunication for muslims seeking another faith walk. I tried to be excomunicated 40 years ago from Catholicism ,but they refusedbased on a lack of enough evidence to carry it out ,which I have gained a little respect for that and just said
bye to that faith . We are now christian and seek messanic knowledge ( although not Jewish so we cannot be real messanics). Christians are
forever ( forever) grafted to the olive brnch of the Jew biblically speaking in spite of presently considering non messanics antichrists!! ( pleural form). We believe they fing Messiah very soon. Our own atheists ,agnostics andgeneral unbelievers here in America are all antichrists warned
by Jesus . As you await THE antichrist (singular) there are antichrists among you.

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