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Old 03-01-2016, 04:45 PM
 
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The whole idea of submission to 'Allah' is pretty sickening. It is, in fact, submission to evil. Allah is a sadist. Think of all those billions of souls he's gleefully talking about torturing for eternity in the Quran.
Tell Him not to do it. I am sure He will listen to you.
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Old 03-01-2016, 04:52 PM
 
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Tell Him not to do it. I am sure He will listen to you.
Why be flip about such evil? This nonsense has cost literally millions and millions of lives. Including Muslim lives. Since 1946 over 10 MILLION Muslims have been slaughtered by other Muslims. Pretty funny, right. In fact most terrorism is Muslim on Muslim.

The Quran is such a pile of hate and incitement to violence and other evils. It's no joke. Do you have so little regard for life?
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Old 03-01-2016, 05:02 PM
 
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Why be flip about such evil? This nonsense has cost literally millions and millions of lives. Including Muslim lives. Since 1946 over 10 MILLION Muslims have been slaughtered by other Muslims. Pretty funny, right. In fact most terrorism is Muslim on Muslim.

The Quran is such a pile of hate and incitement to violence and other evils. It's no joke. Do you have so little regard for life?
Why are you questioning me for something I have never done?

You haven't been drinking lately, have you?
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Old 03-01-2016, 05:48 PM
 
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Why are you questioning me for something I have never done?

You haven't been drinking lately, have you?

I have heard it said that the Qur'an will reflect a person's heart. A truly evil person will find only evil in the Qur'an a truly good person will find only good in the Qur'an.

I have no verification that is true or false, but past experiences have shown me that very evil people hate the Qur'an and find much evil in it. They have hardened their hearts to good and are lost.

Best we just ignore them and move on before they corrupt us with their evil intents.
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Old 03-01-2016, 06:46 PM
 
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Why are you questioning me for something I have never done?

You haven't been drinking lately, have you?
Are you a Muslim?
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Old 03-01-2016, 06:54 PM
 
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I have heard it said that the Qur'an will reflect a person's heart. A truly evil person will find only evil in the Qur'an a truly good person will find only good in the Qur'an.

I have no verification that is true or false, but past experiences have shown me that very evil people hate the Qur'an and find much evil in it. They have hardened their hearts to good and are lost.

Best we just ignore them and move on before they corrupt us with their evil intents.
This is what Muslims think is good:

Terrorism:

Quran 3:151 We will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve for what they have associated with Allah of which He had not sent down [any] authority. And their refuge will be the Fire, and wretched is the residence of the wrongdoers.

Quran 8:12 Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them."

Quran 8:60 And prepare against them whatever you are able of power and of steeds of war by which you may terrify the enemy of Allah and your enemy and others besides them whom you do not know [but] whom Allah knows. And whatever you spend in the cause of Allah will be fully repaid to you, and you will not be wronged.

Quran 27:87 And on the day when the trumpet shall be blown, then those who are in the heavens and those who are in the earth shall be terrified except such as Allah please, and all shall come to him abased.

Quran 33:26 And those of the people of the Scripture who backed them (the disbelievers) Allah brought them down from their forts and cast terror into their hearts, (so that) a group (of them) you killed, and a group (of them) you made captives.

Quran 34:51 If thou couldst but see when they will quake with terror; but then there will be no escape (for them), and they will be seized from a position (quite) near.

Quran 59:13 Of a truth ye are stronger (than they) because of the terror in their hearts, (sent) by Allah. This is because they are men devoid of understanding.

Torture

Quran 8:50 And if you could see when the angels take away the souls of those who disbelieve (at death), they smite their faces and their backs, (saying): "Taste the punishment of the blazing Fire."

Quran 4:38 Cut off (from the wrist joint) the (right) hand of the thief, male or female, as a recompense for that which they committed, a punishment by way of example from Allah. And Allah is All-Powerful, All-Wise.

Quran 4:56 Those who reject our Signs, We shall soon cast into the Fire: as often as their skins are roasted through, We shall change them for fresh skins, that they may taste the penalty: for Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise.

Quran 79:25 Then Allah took him (away) with the torture of the Hereafter and the First (life).

The Apostle of Allah sent a military expedition to Awtas on the occasion of the battle of Hunain. They met their enemy and fought with them. They defeated them and took them captives.
Some of the Companions of the Apostle of Allah were reluctant to have intercourse with the female captives in the presence of their husbands who were unbelievers. So Allah, the Exalted, sent down the Qur’anic verse: (Sura 4:24) "And all married women (are forbidden) unto you save those (captives) whom your right hands possess." (Abu Dawud 2150, also Muslim 3433) (I think mass rape of women and girls after slaughtering their husbands, fathers and sons is torture, don't you??)

Quran 8:12 Remember] when your Lord inspired to the angels, "I am with you, so strengthen those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved, so strike [them] upon the necks and strike from them every fingertip."

Quran (24:2) The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication,- flog each of them with a hundred stripes: Let not compassion move you.

Quran 22:19-22 "These twain (the believers and the disbelievers) are two opponents who contend concerning their Lord. But as for those who disbelieve, garments of fire will be cut out for them; boiling fluid will be poured down on their heads. Whereby that which is in their bellies, and their skins too, will be melted; And for them are hooked rods of iron. Whenever, in their anguish, they would go forth from thence they are driven back therein and (it is said unto them): Taste the doom of burning."

Muslim (16:4131) - They were caught and brought to him (the Holy Prophet). He commanded about them, and (thus) their hands and feet were cut off and their eyes were gouged and then they were thrown in the sun, until they died.

Ibn Ishaq 764 - After amassing a powerful army, Muhammad sent his forces to take the peaceful farming community of Khaybar by surprise. In the aftermath, he was dissatisfied with the amount of plunder and felt that the town’s treasurer, Kinana, might be holding out on him. He had the man brought to him:
When he [Muhammad] asked him about the rest he refused to produce it, so the apostle gave orders to al-Zubayr bin al-Awwam, “Torture him until you extract what he has.” So he kindled a fire with flint and steel on his chest until he was nearly dead. Then the apostle delivered him to Muhammad bin Maslama and he struck off his head.”

Rape:

The Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) sent a military expedition to Awtas on the occasion of the battle of Hunain. They met their enemy and fought with them. They defeated them and took them captives.
Some of the Companions of the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) were reluctant to have intercourse with the female captives in the presence of their husbands who were unbelievers. So Allah, the Exalted, sent down the Qur’anic verse: (Sura 4:24) "And all married women (are forbidden) unto you save those (captives) whom your right hands possess." (Abu Dawud 2150, also Muslim 3433)

Allah seemed to like to watch mass rape.

"O Allah's Apostle! We get female captives as our share of booty, and we are interested in their prices, what is your opinion about coitus interruptus?" The Prophet said, "Do you really do that? It is better for you not to do coitus interruptus. A soul that which Allah has destined to exist will surely come into existence.” (Bukhari 34:432)

"We went out with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) on the expedition to the Bi'l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing 'azl (Withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of semen to avoid-conception). But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah's Messenger is amongst us; why not ask him? So we asked Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him), and he said: It does not matter" (Sahih Muslim 3371)

Narrated Hisham's father:
Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married 'Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consumed that marriage when she was nine years old. (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 58, Number 236)

Narrated 'Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death). (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64; see also Numbers 65 and 88)

I don't think 4th grade girls want 53 year old men to have sex with them. Would you agree?

Slavery

There came a slave and pledged allegiance to Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) on migration; he (the Holy Prophet) did not know that he was a slave. Then there came his master and demanded him back, whereupon Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) said: Sell him to me. And he bought him for two black slaves, and he did not afterwards take allegiance from anyone until he had asked him whether he was a slave (or a free man) (Sahih Muslim 3901).

The apostle gave Ali a girl called Rayta; and he gave Uthman a girl called Zaynab; and he gave Umar a girl whom Umar gave to his son Abdullah. (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 878) Human party favors!!

“Prophet, We have made lawful to you the wives to whom you have granted dowries and the slave girls whom God has given you as booty.” (Qur’an 33:50)

“Narrated Anas bin Malik: Allah’s Apostle was on a journey and he had a black slave called Anjasha, and he was driving the camels (very fast, and there were women riding on those camels). Allah’s Apostle said, ‘Waihaka (May Allah be merciful to you), O Anjasha! Drive slowly (the camels) with the glass vessels (women)!'” (Bukhari 8.73.182) There is no mention of Muhammad’s freeing Anjasha.

BUKHARI Vol. 3-#765
Narrated Kuraib: the freed slave of Ibn 'Abbas, that Maimuna bint Al-Harith told him that she manumitted a slave-girl without taking the permission of the Prophet. On the day when it was her turn to be with the Prophet, she said, "Do you know, O Allah's Apostle, that I have manumitted my slave-girl?" He said, "Have you really?" She replied in the affirmative. He said, "You would have got more reward if you had given her (i.e. the slave-girl) to one of your maternal uncles."

Hate

Quran 2:65 And ye know of those of you who broke the Sabbath, how We said unto them: Be ye apes, despised and hated!

Quran 7:166 Therefore when they revoltingly persisted in what they had been forbidden, We said to them: Be (as) apes, despised and hated.

Quran 28:42 in this world We made a curse to follow them and on the Day of Judgment they will be among the loathed (and despised).

Qur’an 8:55 Surely the vilest of animals in Allah’s sight are those who disbelieve.

Of course this is just a sample.
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Old 03-01-2016, 10:36 PM
 
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I have heard it said that the Qur'an will reflect a person's heart. A truly evil person will find only evil in the Qur'an a truly good person will find only good in the Qur'an.

I have no verification that is true or false, but past experiences have shown me that very evil people hate the Qur'an and find much evil in it. They have hardened their hearts to good and are lost.

Best we just ignore them and move on before they corrupt us with their evil intents.
At least with the above you are very truthful that the Quran contain both good and evil elements.
It is a fact, the Quran contains two truths, i.e. good and evil. note the Duck-Rabbit in one image.
Good people will be inclined to the good elements and evil prone people will 'feast' on the evil elements.


The fact is 20% of all humans, thus 20% of Muslims, are naturally prone to evil by birth.
Therefore when evil elements exists in the Quran [Islam] it is inevitable part of Islam [the evil laden verses] will facilitate the evil prone to commit terrible evils and violence.


Therefore as long as Islam exists within humanity, there will always be SOME naturally born evil prone Muslims who are influenced and inspired by the evil laden elements in the Quran to commit terrible evils and violence. This is very real and the evidence is very glaring.
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Old 03-02-2016, 01:33 AM
 
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[quote=Continuum;43210701]At least with the above you are very truthful that the Quran contain both good and evil elements.
[quote]He is not saying that; you are only imagining it. He is saying that evil people see only evil in the Qur'an. He is referring to you seeing only evil in the Qur'an.
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Old 03-02-2016, 04:05 AM
 
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[quote=Khalif;43211379][quote=Continuum;43210701]At least with the above you are very truthful that the Quran contain both good and evil elements.
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He is not saying that; you are only imagining it. He is saying that evil people see only evil in the Qur'an. He is referring to you seeing only evil in the Qur'an.
In fact, Woodrow is the one who thinks that people who do not believe what he believes deserve endless horrible torture at the hands of his sadistic god.

Why would good people want to follow an ideology where the prophet raped a 4th grader? Where the prophet and his gang attacked villages, slaughtered the men and boys, mass raped the girls and women and then sold them or enslaved them? Why would good people want to own and sell slaves? Make babies and little boys suck on their tongues? Beat women? Mass murder people? Steal?

The people following the Quran are the people who are rioting, raping, abusing children, doing acts of terrorism, slaughtering each other and innocent disbelievers, brainwashing their children to hate, promoting genocide...in the name of Islam. Good people want no part of your evil.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5L9SExquao


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQQanr1H3S4


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXvxR4UbETA


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5hOphuN-FM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_hWwsSgXQA


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFb7cmFsPoc


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4mFMmRhFiY


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQrdA9Bi3D4


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fX73ggsMNEI


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8fzcT7jHG8


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZnElkJpv0Q
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Old 03-02-2016, 02:07 PM
 
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in fact, woodrow is the one who thinks that people who do not believe what he believes deserve endless horrible torture at the hands of his sadistic god.
That must be an utter lie.
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