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Originally Posted by Khalif
It is quite obious to me that neither you nor Abu Bakar Bashir have fully studied the Qur'an in depth. Most Muslims today do the same; do not study the .this book full of wisdom.
The Qur'an is not like any other book. Its words are all from Allah and are full of wisdom and are also explained somewhere else in the Qur'an. Only in depth study will reveal what exactly is meant by each verse of the Qur 'an. There are no ambiguous verses in the Qur'an. One must read all verses on the topic before making any claim one way or the other.
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To you there may be no ambiguous verses in the Quran because you have taken a certain specific [personal or group] stance with the Quran.
To understand the bias you have been trapped in, you need to bring in inherent human psychology. This bias will affect most regardless of how much thinking or intelligent they are.
You could be familiar with this image but neverthelelss
take a look of this image,
What do you see?
If not informed, the majority will only see one image, i.e, either a duck or a rabbit.
If they see a rabbit, they will never see the rabbit and vice versa.
It is only when told there are two possible pictures with the image, then will may with time able to see the other but never both at the same time.
Therefore one a person-X reported s/he saw only a rabbit, s/he is not wrong even when the other person-Y insist s/he is wrong because Y insisted he saw a duck.
So this is a case of two truths in one image.
The above bias effect will naturally happen to a complex text like the Quran, i.e. the Quran also contain two truths when read.
If a Muslim [by default emotional] see a Quran [rabbit view] they will never see the other view of the Quran [duck view] no matter how much they read and analyze it.
Therefore it is possible you could be stuck in one view [say rabbit view] of the Quran while other only understand the other view [the duck view].
There are 1.5 billion Muslims, it is also possible there are many "right" rigid views where certain groups are stuck to their own rigid views of their own and cannot understand the views of others. In this case the Quran will seem to contain many truths which are right depending on who is reading it.
Note: As far as Quran versus Ahadith is concern, only the Quran carry Allah sole authority. The Ahadith do not have any of Allah's authority.
However when we deliberate on the Quran itself there could be many perspectives to it by different people.
Now the fact is obvious there is only one truth from Allah's point of view.
But the various Muslims insist their views [duck or rabbit] is in accordance to Allah intent in the Quran.
The point is WHO ARE YOU [me or others] as a fallible human being to decide and insist who has the right or wrong view.
Only Allah can decide but Allah has not appear on Earth to decide at all since Islam emerged in the 610AD.
In this case, you can argue your case with in depth rational thinking, but you [as a slave of Allah] don't have the authority to insist Bashir is wrong in his interpretation of the Quran.
There are ambiguous situations in the Quran from my objective perspectives but not according to the specific groups of Muslims who either see the 'truth of the rabbit' or the 'truth of duck'.
For example, in general the Quran allow the killing of non-Muslims and even other Muslims if Islam and/or Muslims are under threats with hindrances, corruption, persecutions, mischiefs, etc.
The problem is these situations of 'threats' are clearly defined in the Quran, thus open to different interpretations.
This is why some very sensitive Muslims view the drawing of the cartoons of Muhammad as a threat to Islam and thus based on the Quran they have the sanction of Allah to kill non-Muslims.
The presence of foreigner soldiers and government officials in Muslim land [e.g. Afghanistan, Iraq and elsewhere] is interpret as a persecution or threat, thus warrant counter defensive actions to kill innocents within the country of the oppressors [USA, UK, France, etc.]
Western education is interpret as a threat and hindrance to the progress of Islam and thus warrant killing of non-Muslims, e.g. Boko Haram, Shooting Malala, etc.
There are many other examples that can be given.
The problem is no one on Earth can insist these jihadists and other Muslims who commit these terrible evils and violence are wrong.
So as long as Islam, Quran and SOME evil prone Muslims [not all] exists, these terrible evils and violence will continue because these evil prone Muslims think they are doing the right thing to please Allah so that they can earn their passage to Paradise with superlative sensual delights and avoid Hell.
What are your counters to the above?
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