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Old 02-25-2016, 09:28 PM
 
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Kant was wrong about ethics. I'm not sure why you've dismissed consequentialism, but it is a far better ethical system. It is easy to think of cases in which following a deontological maxim would result in greater suffering and less pleasure. Why should such a maxim be followed?

I also think it's interesting that you believe a genocide would be no more than 3-10 times worse than a lie. Do you really believe that? Are ten lies added together really as bad as a genocide?

I suggest you take a break from Kant and read more broadly in moral philosophy.
10 lies versus genocide? Again you are into linearity.
I stated there are degrees of consequences to lying. It is possible for a lie to end up some pushing the red button [of WMD].


You have a master degree.
Obviously you understand to ensure one's intellectual credibility, one has to cover all [if not the major] aspects of a subject before arriving at one's conclusion.
I had focused on Kant's Moral and Ethical System but I have also covered MOST of other systems of Morality and Ethical systems of the Eastern and Western philosophy.


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Kant was wrong about ethics. I'm not sure why you've dismissed consequentialism, but it is a far better ethical system. It is easy to think of cases in which following a deontological maxim would result in greater suffering and less pleasure. Why should such a maxim be followed?
Your above views indicate you do not understand [not necessary agree] Kant's Morality and Ethical System.
FYI, in Kant's system, absolute moral principles/maxim are not enforceable at all, they are merely theoretical guides to improve ethics in the variable real world.
I would not classify Kant's Morality and Ethical System as 'deontological' [wrong understanding and a straw man] as most philosophers are conveniently labeling it.
Kant system will not result in greater suffering and less pleasure.


Kant's system is a complete system which cover both absolute [Pure] and relative [applied] principles and processes. Thus it incorporates all the features of consequentialism/utilitarianism, axiology, and others.
What it provide is a Moral system that enable the continuous improvements [note this] of ethics in the varied practical world toward an unachievable ideal [philosophically justified and grounded] which is used merely a guide.


One significant comparison with Kant's System [which include the necessity of absolute principles] in comparison to consequentialism and other relative ethical systems is the lack of a 'fixed goal post' to act as a guide.
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Old 03-01-2016, 08:58 PM
 
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Kant, the father of deontology, is now not actually a deontologist? Let me guess, Descartes is a physicalist now, too?
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