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Old 02-25-2016, 09:28 PM
 
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Btw, I have read of any one who look or stare at a Picasso's painting and subsequently is influenced or inspired to kill those who do not appreciate Picasso's art.
Yep, there are many things you hear for the first time in life.

For example, you may not have heard of a group who look or stare at Picasso's painting and starts giving charity to a point where it becomes the highest charity giver among all other groups in that country.

Muslims 'Give Most To Charity', Ahead Of Christians, Jews And Atheists, Poll Finds
Muslims 'Give Most To Charity', Ahead Of Christians, Jews And Atheists, Poll Finds

Looks like you have got a lot to learn about those who look or stare at a Picasso's painting. This painting is something, isn't it?
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Old 02-25-2016, 10:40 PM
 
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Yep, there are many things you hear for the first time in life.

For example, you may not have heard of a group who look or stare at Picasso's painting and starts giving charity to a point where it becomes the highest charity giver among all other groups in that country.

Muslims 'Give Most To Charity', Ahead Of Christians, Jews And Atheists, Poll Finds
Muslims 'Give Most To Charity', Ahead Of Christians, Jews And Atheists, Poll Finds

Looks like you have got a lot to learn about those who look or stare at a Picasso's painting. This painting is something, isn't it?
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_Aid

Controversy surrounding Muslim Aid has centered mainly on allegations of its role in the financing of terrorist or extremist organizations. In 2002, a Spanish police report alleged the organisation to have used funds to send mujahadeen fighters to Bosnia.[29] In 2010, the organisation was investigated by the Charity Commission for England and Wales for allegedly funding groups linked to a banned terrorist organisation.[30] The investigation cleared the organisation and said that the claims were unsubstantiated. The Sunday Telegraph criticised the outcome saying that the Commission cleared the organization “without examining any of the evidence presented,” that the organisation has admitted funding two organisations linked to Hamas and the Palestinian Islamic Jihad, and alleging that Muslim Aid is “closely linked to the extremist Islamic Forum of Europe, which wants to create a sharia state in Europe.” [31][32]
In 2003, ABC News established a link between a Muslim Aid Australia and the Dewan Dakwah Islamiyah Indonesia (DDII) which is linked to the Islamist group Jemaah Islamiyah.[33] In 2008, their offices in Lakemba were raided by the police over allegations that funds were being sent through Interpal to help get money into Gaza during Israeli border closures.[34]
In 2008, the organisation was banned in Israel, due to its alleged ties to the Union of Good.[35] A 2009 report by the US-based think-tank Nine Eleven Finding Answers Foundation, also alleged the charity was part of the Union of Good.[6][36] Anthony Cordesman of the Center for Strategic and International Studies also said they funded Hamas.[37]
On the 2 May 2013 an international arrest warrant was issued for its long time trustee Chowdhury Mueen-Uddin for war crimes. He was subsequently found guilty in absentia of murdering 18 Bangladesh intellectuals as a leader within Al-Badr, a pro-Pakistan Islamist paramilitary force in the Bangladesh liberation war.[38]
The government of Bangladesh investigated the organisation for allegedly funding militants in the country.[39][40][41] In December 2013, Mozammel Hossain, the head of the Rangpur branch of Muslim Aid, was arrested for financing "subversive activities".[42][43] In April 2014, Bangladeshi politician Sayed Ashraful Islam of the Awami League Central Working Committee warned funds from the organisation were being used to spread "religious fanaticism".[44] Again in September 2014, Major general Abdur Rashid said they funded extremism.[45]
Supporting terrorism does not count as "charity".
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Old 02-25-2016, 10:44 PM
 
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Yep, there are many things you hear for the first time in life.

For example, you may not have heard of a group who look or stare at Picasso's painting and starts giving charity to a point where it becomes the highest charity giver among all other groups in that country.

Muslims 'Give Most To Charity', Ahead Of Christians, Jews And Atheists, Poll Finds
Muslims 'Give Most To Charity', Ahead Of Christians, Jews And Atheists, Poll Finds

Looks like you have got a lot to learn about those who look or stare at a Picasso's painting. This painting is something, isn't it?
I made an omission, should be


"Btw, I have NOT read of any one who look or stare at a Picasso's painting and subsequently is influenced or inspired to kill those who do not appreciate Picasso's art."
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Old 02-26-2016, 12:44 AM
 
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Btw, I have read of any one who look or stare at a Picasso's painting and subsequently is influenced or inspired to kill those who do not appreciate Picasso's art.
If Picasso's painting suggested that doing so (or forming cults around doing so) would grant you and your loved ones happy immortality, I wouldn't put it past people.
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Old 02-26-2016, 12:50 AM
 
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wrong again.

Quran does not say that.

Quran says, it's the book of guidance.

Now, if you are seeking guidance, then check it out.

If you are NOT seeking guidance then, this is not what you are looking for.


Same can be said about many other books.

For example, pick a PhD level book of Quantum Physics and try to understand it while you are looking to learn Morse code.

Would the Quantum Physics books help you learn Morse Code?
Wrong argument. The Bible also says it is a book of guidance, useful for teaching, reproach, etc.
I sought guidance only in truth, not in bibliolatries based on willful ignorance (honored with the label of "faith") such as Veda-veneration, Quran-veneration, Bible-veneration, etc.

I picked up the Bible to learn about Christianity, the Bhagavad Gita to learn about Hinduism, the Quran to learn about Islam. Then to learn about how the idols of the Bible, Quran, and Vedas were crafted by Writers, Editors, and Publishers... I picked up many scholarly history books that cited their sources.

The idol scriptures do not teach goodness, they teach idol scripture veneration disguised as goodness... But that is just my own meek opinion, you might see the Vedas and Bible differently (although probably not), and you will want to see the Quran differently as well in oder to feel good about your past and society/family.
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Old 02-27-2016, 05:00 PM
 
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Wrong argument. The Bible also says it is a book of guidance, useful for teaching, reproach, etc.
I sought guidance only in truth, not in bibliolatries based on willful ignorance (honored with the label of "faith") such as Veda-veneration, Quran-veneration, Bible-veneration, etc.

I picked up the Bible to learn about Christianity, the Bhagavad Gita to learn about Hinduism, the Quran to learn about Islam. Then to learn about how the idols of the Bible, Quran, and Vedas were crafted by Writers, Editors, and Publishers... I picked up many scholarly history books that cited their sources.

The idol scriptures do not teach goodness, they teach idol scripture veneration disguised as goodness... But that is just my own meek opinion, you might see the Vedas and Bible differently (although probably not), and you will want to see the Quran differently as well in oder to feel good about your past and society/family.
Very interesting!

How were the idols of the Qur'an crafted?
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Old 02-28-2016, 09:55 PM
 
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Very interesting!

How were the idols of the Qur'an crafted?
Basically (I'm assuming here) by mushing up trees to make paper as the Chinese invented and using ink as the Chinese invented also to write down the short narratives as best as they could, translating them, and passing them around. Then bringing some narratives and translations together after testing them around to see which were good. Then burning all the contradicting or extra Quranic writings/narratives/translations and legitimizing on they third Caliph's vague Qurashic version, while burning and declaring all other versions illegitimate, all in the span of 20-30 years, while some of the content and hype began to be crafted probably 50-60 years before by Muhammad. Of course, oral idols are a little different then material ones, but as a picture says a thousand words, a thousand words paints a picture.

But the more direct history goes something as follows. Beloved-son-of-Allah's-servant lived his life, and did his campaign across a weakened Arabia. He would pronounce a lot of various and moderately long dictations in rhythmic form, saying they were from Gabriel quoting God. He retracted one dictation publicly saying he had been tricked by Iblis the rebel Genie into saying that angels were children of God (wrongly implying they deserved a child's rights and eventual growth into greater then the parent, or at least worship as princes). His friends and generals would say that they memorized the laws and narrative he was handing down to them from the Politics of Heaven, they wrote very little of them before Muhammad's death as Muhammad hadn't expected that he would need to compile a whole book for people after his death (some people were payed story sayers/rappers; but also there was a problem with prophets and their ability to bequeath their Kingdoms to unfavored people). Various rich people across Arabia began grabbing for power by suggesting that they had heavenly quotes and writings (both oral and written). But Muhammad's cousin Ali (also honorary-brother, inheritor, and son-in-law through arranged, although assumingly consensual, marriage to one of Muhammad's daughters) tried to take control of it and say only he and a few others could legitimize quotations of the heavenly recitations. Regardless, since there was no centralization, a lot of various and unconnected short books were made by Ali and his friends (some of whom also walked with Muhammad and married some of his daughters) and distributed around into the broken lands where a lot of converts and Arabian military personnel where stationed (the Muslims had promised and demonstrated to the poor that they would take the rich people's money/valuables and give it to them for their support) but none could come to a consensus on what was "just right" and what was "extra". Regardless, only Ali's children survived to pass on Muhammad's lineage. Yet a senior member of Muhammad's company, not Ali, became the first Caliph by Oligarchic/Military Election and supposedly refused to publish Ali's version of the idol to Allah and Gabriel (one lower than Allah), although they say it was the same Quran but with minor differences, different order of the Subparts, and Extra explanations from Allah. The first three Caliphs died quickly of illness due to old age even as Allah supposedly controls all. But the second Caliph (chosen in quasi-royal-selection by the first Caliph according to the Third Caliph who was one of the Greatest supporters of the First Caliph) continued conquering into a broken Byzantine and Persia, but he also did not legitimize any of the versions of a "complete book" of the Quran. The third Caliph (also Muhammad's friend) finished conquering into Persia to Afghanistan and he kept hearing from his Generals that there were especially a lot of problems with converts in Iraq and Syria who had different translations and versions of Quran passages that differed in their teaching and how they used them to interpret law and teach. So he decided he would legitimize and published the commonest version of the Quran used today for recitation and translation, in the order he wanted it, with the retractions he saw fit, but only in the "original" vague Qurashi Arabic. He then made a strict order to burn all other versions of the Quran anywhere they could be found (it wasn't too hard as most where in military areas and owned by religious zealots needing to prove their loyalty to the Emperors instead of to their preferred/begotten translations), and to only reprint his version in a language that would not be understandable to (nor interpretable by) foreigners in any legitimate way. That is how he solidified his authority, and the Uthmanic codex of the Quran is the idol (which was the only not burned) that is used as a reference today.
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Old 02-29-2016, 06:01 AM
 
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Basically (I'm assuming here) by mushing up trees to make paper as the Chinese invented and using ink as the Chinese invented also to write down the short narratives as best as they could, translating them, and passing them around. Then bringing some narratives and translations together after testing them around to see which were good. Then burning all the contradicting or extra Quranic writings/narratives/translations and legitimizing on they third Caliph's vague Qurashic version, while burning and declaring all other versions illegitimate, all in the span of 20-30 years, while some of the content and hype began to be crafted probably 50-60 years before by Muhammad. Of course, oral idols are a little different then material ones, but as a picture says a thousand words, a thousand words paints a picture.

But the more direct history goes something as follows. Beloved-son-of-Allah's-servant lived his life, and did his campaign across a weakened Arabia. He would pronounce a lot of various and moderately long dictations in rhythmic form, saying they were from Gabriel quoting God. He retracted one dictation publicly saying he had been tricked by Iblis the rebel Genie into saying that angels were children of God (wrongly implying they deserved a child's rights and eventual growth into greater then the parent, or at least worship as princes). His friends and generals would say that they memorized the laws and narrative he was handing down to them from the Politics of Heaven, they wrote very little of them before Muhammad's death as Muhammad hadn't expected that he would need to compile a whole book for people after his death (some people were payed story sayers/rappers; but also there was a problem with prophets and their ability to bequeath their Kingdoms to unfavored people). Various rich people across Arabia began grabbing for power by suggesting that they had heavenly quotes and writings (both oral and written). But Muhammad's cousin Ali (also honorary-brother, inheritor, and son-in-law through arranged, although assumingly consensual, marriage to one of Muhammad's daughters) tried to take control of it and say only he and a few others could legitimize quotations of the heavenly recitations. Regardless, since there was no centralization, a lot of various and unconnected short books were made by Ali and his friends (some of whom also walked with Muhammad and married some of his daughters) and distributed around into the broken lands where a lot of converts and Arabian military personnel where stationed (the Muslims had promised and demonstrated to the poor that they would take the rich people's money/valuables and give it to them for their support) but none could come to a consensus on what was "just right" and what was "extra". Regardless, only Ali's children survived to pass on Muhammad's lineage. Yet a senior member of Muhammad's company, not Ali, became the first Caliph by Oligarchic/Military Election and supposedly refused to publish Ali's version of the idol to Allah and Gabriel (one lower than Allah), although they say it was the same Quran but with minor differences, different order of the Subparts, and Extra explanations from Allah. The first three Caliphs died quickly of illness due to old age even as Allah supposedly controls all. But the second Caliph (chosen in quasi-royal-selection by the first Caliph according to the Third Caliph who was one of the Greatest supporters of the First Caliph) continued conquering into a broken Byzantine and Persia, but he also did not legitimize any of the versions of a "complete book" of the Quran. The third Caliph (also Muhammad's friend) finished conquering into Persia to Afghanistan and he kept hearing from his Generals that there were especially a lot of problems with converts in Iraq and Syria who had different translations and versions of Quran passages that differed in their teaching and how they used them to interpret law and teach. So he decided he would legitimize and published the commonest version of the Quran used today for recitation and translation, in the order he wanted it, with the retractions he saw fit, but only in the "original" vague Qurashi Arabic. He then made a strict order to burn all other versions of the Quran anywhere they could be found (it wasn't too hard as most where in military areas and owned by religious zealots needing to prove their loyalty to the Emperors instead of to their preferred/begotten translations), and to only reprint his version in a language that would not be understandable to (nor interpretable by) foreigners in any legitimate way. That is how he solidified his authority, and the Uthmanic codex of the Quran is the idol (which was the only not burned) that is used as a reference today.
That was really boring idol talk.

Someone's brain is full of imagined Qur'anic idols. No doubt Shaytan has been working day and night to help create such idols. Shaytan's finger prints are all over them.
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Old 03-01-2016, 11:50 AM
 
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But the more direct history goes something as follows. Beloved-son-of-Allah's-servant lived his life,.
I am telling you... this is QUITE ironic for a person who claims to have read Quran to understand Islam.

And to top that off, the person claims to have some sort of extra layers of intelligence and perception, that made him believe that Atheism is the way to go.
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