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Old 03-13-2016, 02:06 PM
 
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I think our friend is thinking of hijab (which is not about covering hair) instead of the topic of his thresd; the niqab (covering face).
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Old 03-14-2016, 12:05 AM
 
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Where did Allah say in the Qur'an that a Muslimah do not have to cover her hair?
The proof is by inference, i.e.

1. 24:31 stated a Muslimah has to cover her bossom,
2. There are no other verses [of the 6,236] which mention a Muslimah must cover her hair.
3. Therefore there is no need for a Muslimah to cover her hair.

You did not get the above inference because you are not competent in logical thinking.
Suggest you read up basic logic and critical thinking to improve your thinking skills.
Since you mentioned you have a grandson playing with toy ducks, I think it is a bit too late for your old brain to learn new skills.
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Old 03-14-2016, 07:32 AM
 
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The proof is by inference, i.e.

1. 24:31 stated a Muslimah has to cover her bossom,
2. There are no other verses [of the 6,236] which mention a Muslimah must cover her hair.
3. Therefore there is no need for a Muslimah to cover her hair.
You did not then claim that it was by inference. You had said that Allah had said so "clearly".
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Old 03-14-2016, 02:06 PM
 
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if there is nothing in the Quran about face or hair covering, why do women cite "religious reasons" for covering up?

wouldn't this be a cultural preference rather than a religious one?
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Old 03-14-2016, 03:45 PM
 
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if there is nothing in the Quran about face or hair covering, why do women cite "religious reasons" for covering up?

wouldn't this be a cultural preference rather than a religious one?
You have to keep in mind we come in different flavors and there are various interpretations of the levels of responsibility. Basically we do not believe in sin as being absolutes but rather as levels of responsibilities.

1. Obligatory to do, there will be a punishment for not doing (An example: Giving to Charity in accordance to our wealth)

2. Desired to do,no sin if we fail to do, but we will be rewarded if we do them. Such as a woman wearing a niqqab(veil)

3 No Punishments or rewards for doing or not doing (Example: Watching a bird fly overhead)

4. Discouraged to do No punishment if we do it, but will be rewarded if we don't do it. (Such as eating Shell Fish)

5. Forbidden to do. If we deliberatly do such we will be punished.

The various sects and madhabs interpret things at different lefvels The extremes being the Hanafi Madhab in which very few things are considered to be 1 or 5 and the Salafi view that all things are either 1 or 5 with nothing in the middle.

After that you will get differing opinions some closer to the Hanafi and some closer to the Salafi. Wahabbi is an ultra practicing of Salafi with the idea they are to force all people to do the same.

As a General rule of thumb a Muslim believes a women between the ages of Puberty and menopause are obligated to keep their hair covered unless in the company of a Mahram (Close relatives, other women, the very young boys or the very old men) This was also the practice of the Jews, Sabeeans and Christians of the era and the Qur'an did not say that is no longer required. We do believe that the Torah, Pslams and Gospel of Jesus(a.s.) still conatin many commands and rules and we are to obey those that do not contradict the Qur'an as they were in practice and the ruling was valid it was not needed to be mentioned in the Qur'an.

But I only speak for myself and very many Muslims will disagree with me. In regards to beliefs there is a lot of variation among individuals. There is no one interpretation of the Qur'an that can say it is the correct one. There is no teaching a specific set of rules as being dogma we all agree upon. We are not taught Islam. We learn Islam and it is our responsibility to seek out sources we will learn from. We alone are responsible for our beliefs and we are not to be blind followers but to question all things and verify all things anyone tells us.
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Old 03-14-2016, 04:16 PM
 
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if there is nothing in the Quran about face or hair covering, why do women cite "religious reasons" for covering up?

wouldn't this be a cultural preference rather than a religious one?
It is partly cultural preference and partly religious one through inference. They will cite catholic nuns covering their heads for religious reasons so why not them.

Islamically, they are supposed to cover their heads in certain countries where women with their head covered are seen as respectable women (a cultural norm there). This is like a signal to men to keep away. Men won't target or trouble such women. Therefore, head covering makes sense there for the safety of women. The situation is the opposite in the West today. A woman with head scarf is more likely to become a target because of Islamophobia or hate against Muslims.

There is no need for niqab even in most Islamic countries today. And it is not required by any command in the Qur'an.
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Old 03-14-2016, 07:04 PM
 
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It is partly cultural preference and partly religious one through inference. They will cite catholic nuns covering their heads for religious reasons so why not them.

Islamically, they are supposed to cover their heads in certain countries where women with their head covered are seen as respectable women (a cultural norm there). This is like a signal to men to keep away. Men won't target or trouble such women. Therefore, head covering makes sense there for the safety of women. The situation is the opposite in the West today. A woman with head scarf is more likely to become a target because of Islamophobia or hate against Muslims.

There is no need for niqab even in most Islamic countries today. And it is not required by any command in the Qur'an.
There have been precedents in other areas that support what you said. For instance even if we all agree pork products are haram we may use them if it is necessary to save our life. Such as using a life saving medicine made from a pork product or eating pork if it is the only way to keep from starving to death.



therefore if wearing a hijab endangers your life it is permissible not to wear it. Islam does allow for use of common sense.In some parts of the world wearing a hijab will place a Muslimah in danger. and those places are becoming more common.
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Old 03-15-2016, 01:24 AM
 
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There have been precedents in other areas that support what you said. For instance even if we all agree pork products are haram we may use them if it is necessary to save our life. Such as using a life saving medicine made from a pork product or eating pork if it is the only way to keep from starving to death.



therefore if wearing a hijab endangers your life it is permissible not to wear it. Islam does allow for use of common sense.In some parts of the world wearing a hijab will place a Muslimah in danger. and those places are becoming more common.
Of course you are correct!
Islam isn't so rigid a deen that we can't use reason and common sense. It is a middle way. The head coverIng is for common sense in certain cultures and not for any other reason. The same goes for alcohol. It can be used as medicine as it has some beneficial element in it but It is not for drinking just for drinking sake as that could harm more than benefit.
The problems are the old cultlural clerics who make thIngs so inflexible. They often do not use common sense whIch is required to be used in our deen. These clerics in places like Pakistan, Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia are often had far less education in world affairs and can't see the way forward and progress. This is why I see people in the West, who study the deen properly, becoming the real custodians of Islam and leading the way in future.
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