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Old 03-25-2016, 07:01 AM
 
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A chance to take a vocal position against violence - will the local Muslim community call for his removal? Let's see.

Glasgow mosque leader praises extremist killer - BBC News
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Old 03-25-2016, 12:47 PM
 
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A chance to take a vocal position against violence - will the local Muslim community call for his removal? Let's see.

Glasgow mosque leader praises extremist killer - BBC News
"The religious leader at Scotland's biggest mosque ...."

What has this hater been teaching at this mosque? This is Scotland's biggest mosque!!!

This is not some small extremist hovel in a cave somewhere!!

The article says:
"Maulana Habib Ur Rehman is the most senior imam at Glasgow Central Mosque, a role which involves leading prayers and giving religious guidance and teachings."

WHAT is this hater teaching??

Who is he standing up for? A hateful murderer who slaughtered his employer who was against strict blasphemy laws (think death sentence). So this hater did not want people to be able to complain about the hate from Islam. So he murdered his employer.

Now this hater imam is also a liar.

He said: "that he is "disturbed" and "upset" at the news of Qadri's execution, before writing "rahmatullahi alai", a religious blessing usually given to devout Muslims and meaning may God's mercy be upon him..... "I cannot hide my pain today. A true Muslim was punished for doing which [sic] the collective will of the nation failed to carry out."

He's now claiming that his comments were taken out of contest (no surprise there) and he was just speaking against the death penalty. But he defends and praises a cold blooded murderer!!

Oh, and then the article ends with this:
"Glasgow Central Mosque did not respond to requests for comment."

Bunch of haters!

Glasgow mosque leader praises extremist killer - BBC News
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Old 03-25-2016, 10:40 PM
 
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A chance to take a vocal position against violence - will the local Muslim community call for his removal? Let's see.

Glasgow mosque leader praises extremist killer - BBC News
The above prove my hypothesis, i.e.

1. All humans [including Muslims] has the potential to be evil.
2. 20% of All humans [including Muslims are evil prone, i.e. has the impulse to commit evil.
3. The Quran of Islam has a significant amount of evil laden elements.
4. Point 2 combine with 3 to inspire SOME Muslims to commit terrible evils and violence.

The killer, Qadri is one of those from the 20% of Muslims who are naturally born with tendency to commit evil and he had done so as inspired by verses with evil laden elements in the Quran.
This iman who support Qadri also is one of those evil prone Muslims.

The point is these evil prone Muslims has to support such killings otherwise they may go to hell for not obeying the commands in the Quran.
These evil prone Muslims did not interpret the verses wrongly as the moderate would claim. The Quran and Islam is presented in such a way, there are two-truths [Duck-Rabbit] and either truth is right.
In this case when the evil prone fight and kill non-Muslims, they sincerely believe they are doing right to please Allah and is confident of going to Paradise with their acts.

From my hypothesis we are quite sure 20% of Muslims, i.e. 300 millions around the world will agree with the Iman and will not condemn him. 20% of conservative and in reality it may be more if we refer to various Pew polls to get the general idea.
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Old 03-26-2016, 04:17 PM
 
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A chance to take a vocal position against violence - will the local Muslim community call for his removal? Let's see.

Glasgow mosque leader praises extremist killer - BBC News
Several things to keep in mind. We have no ordained clergy. There is nothing religious that makes anyone an Imam.

there are numerous was a person becomes an Imam.

1. They decide to call them self an Imam

2. The local community

3. The builder of the Mosque hired him to be Imam

$ he built the mosque and could not find anyone who wanted to be Imam.


There are things Imams are not supposed to do, but these day many of them seem to be doing them. some of those things being 1. Viewed as a Religious leader, 2. Preaching except for the Friday Kutbah and that is limited to local concerns. 3. Teaching

I know today there are Imams doing all three, but the duties of an Imam should be to lead the obligatory prayers and maintain the upkeep of the Mosque. and nothing more.

Us Muslims have the obligation of avoiding any Mosque in which we believe the Imam is not acting like an Imam should. We can not prevent anyone from being an Imam but we can and should avoid praying behind any person we do not believe is a suitable Imam.
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Old 03-26-2016, 04:51 PM
 
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Several things to keep in mind. We have no ordained clergy. There is nothing religious that makes anyone an Imam.

there are numerous was a person becomes an Imam.

1. They decide to call them self an Imam

2. The local community

3. The builder of the Mosque hired him to be Imam

$ he built the mosque and could not find anyone who wanted to be Imam.


There are things Imams are not supposed to do, but these day many of them seem to be doing them. some of those things being 1. Viewed as a Religious leader, 2. Preaching except for the Friday Kutbah and that is limited to local concerns. 3. Teaching

I know today there are Imams doing all three, but the duties of an Imam should be to lead the obligatory prayers and maintain the upkeep of the Mosque. and nothing more.

Us Muslims have the obligation of avoiding any Mosque in which we believe the Imam is not acting like an Imam should. We can not prevent anyone from being an Imam but we can and should avoid praying behind any person we do not believe is a suitable Imam.
Your bias opinions don't matter. REALITY matters.

This hater was "The religious leader at Scotland's biggest mosque ...."!!!!

People do not walk in off the street and become "The religious leader at Scotland's biggest mosque ...."!!!!

Muslim haters at Scotland's biggest mosque WANTED this hater as their leader!

No haters at the mosque are running him out of town!

Why hasn't this Imam Maulana Habib Ur Rehman been arrested for “inciting racial or religious hatred".

And it does not stop there!! 'Moderate' hater Muslims in the UK are doing the same thing!!

"The support for Qadri expressed in the UK by some Muslims from a group within Islam that is generally regarded as moderate was unexpected.
Those supporting his actions came from within Sunni Islam, and a group known as Barelvis, who control just under 40% of mosques in the UK.
These Sufis are not generally connected with jihadist groups, and present themselves in Pakistan and elsewhere as defenders of a moderate, peaceful Islam.
However, on the day of Qadri's funeral, one of the co-directors of the Association of British Muslims, Paul Salahuddin-Armstrong, was so shocked by comments on social media in the UK praising the killer that he wrote a blog post."

Glasgow mosque leader praises extremist killer - BBC News

Just under 40% of mosques in the UK are run by haters that praise Muslim terrorists that slaughter!! And are pretending to be 'moderates' and 'peaceful'!!

And next we'll find out that Paul Salahuddin-Armstrong is supporting terrorists!
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Old 03-26-2016, 06:03 PM
 
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Why hasn't this Imam Maulana Habib Ur Rehman been arrested for “inciting racial or religious hatred".
He will be arrested if he has been "inciting racial or religious hatred". The law enforcement authorities are aware of the case, and facts about the case.
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Old 03-26-2016, 08:19 PM
 
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More from Glasgow - peaceable Muslim killed by another Muslim ...

Man arrested over 'religiously prejudiced' killing of Glasgow shopkeeper - ITV News
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Old 03-26-2016, 08:25 PM
 
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Your bias opinions don't matter. REALITY matters.

This hater was "The religious leader at Scotland's biggest mosque ...."!!!!

People do not walk in off the street and become "The religious leader at Scotland's biggest mosque ...."!!!!

Muslim haters at Scotland's biggest mosque WANTED this hater as their leader!

No haters at the mosque are running him out of town!

Why hasn't this Imam Maulana Habib Ur Rehman been arrested for “inciting racial or religious hatred".

And it does not stop there!! 'Moderate' hater Muslims in the UK are doing the same thing!!

"The support for Qadri expressed in the UK by some Muslims from a group within Islam that is generally regarded as moderate was unexpected.
Those supporting his actions came from within Sunni Islam, and a group known as Barelvis, who control just under 40% of mosques in the UK.
These Sufis are not generally connected with jihadist groups, and present themselves in Pakistan and elsewhere as defenders of a moderate, peaceful Islam.
However, on the day of Qadri's funeral, one of the co-directors of the Association of British Muslims, Paul Salahuddin-Armstrong, was so shocked by comments on social media in the UK praising the killer that he wrote a blog post."

Glasgow mosque leader praises extremist killer - BBC News

Just under 40% of mosques in the UK are run by haters that praise Muslim terrorists that slaughter!! And are pretending to be 'moderates' and 'peaceful'!!

And next we'll find out that Paul Salahuddin-Armstrong is supporting terrorists!
and just what is going on within the executive branch at the Mosque?

Quote:
'Threatening harm'

The statement said: "A number of people have been undermining day-to-day operations, meetings and even sabotaging mosque property, alongside threatening physical harm to executive members including their wives and children.

"The following people are protesting against the backwardness displayed by a minority of people by resigning from the executive committee."

Commenting on the resignations, Glasgow-based lawyer Aamer Anwar said: "It is a real tragedy that those who bravely led the calls for equality and diversity at Scotland's largest mosque have resigned.

"The fact that they did so because of alleged threats of violence towards their families is abhorrent and criminal."

He said the committee had "the decency and courage to expose corruption, misogyny and racism" but certain people at the mosque had "tried to destroy them".

Mr Anwar said the situation at the mosque meant it was more difficult to tackle extremism.

Police probe 'threats' claims at Glasgow Central Mosque - BBC News
and do you know the view many Muslims have of :Barelvis ?

Is it permissible for people to call themselves

https://islamqa.info/en/150265

Barelvi Islam

AUTHENTIC TAUHEED: -184- Jokers in the Pack: Refuting the Barelvis

International Islamic University shuts down Barelvi mosque - Pakistan - DAWN.COM

This story is quite strange as the Barelvis were very much criticized by Muslims in India for their support of Great Britain during the colonial years and one reason why so many migrated to the UK when Pakistan was formed.
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Old 03-26-2016, 08:32 PM
 
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It could very well be that the Imam was doing as he he said he was doing--Criticizing Pakistan's Capital punishment laws. Barelvis are deeply opposed to the death penalty for any reason.
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Old 03-26-2016, 10:34 PM
 
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He will be arrested if he has been "inciting racial or religious hatred". The law enforcement authorities are aware of the case, and facts about the case.
They don't arrest Muslims for that because it's not politically correct. Heck, they don't arrest Muslims for mass rape of young girls!

"Major official inquiries, including one published last week, have discovered that in Rotherham between 1997 and 2013, around 1,400 young people, mainly white working-class girls, were sexually exploited and abused by gangs of men, most of them of Pakistani Muslim heritage.

The girls, mostly poor, vulnerable, and from broken families, were groomed by the men and passed around as sexual playthings. Some were prostituted; many were plied with drugs and alcohol.

What does this have to do with P.C.? P.C. facilitated these crimes; it aided and abetted them.

The left-leaning Labour-run local council in Rotherham was so hamstrung by P.C., so riven with what the U.K. Home Secretary Theresa May has called “institutionalised political correctness,” that it was reluctant to investigate or talk openly about the Pakistani men’s sex crimes for fear of appearing racist and demeaning an ethnic minority."

How Political Correctness Aided and Abetted Sex Crimes in England - Reason.com
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