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Old 04-16-2016, 03:47 PM
 
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Interesting article argues that an Islamic push for theocracy is the biggest threat to British society ...

National Secular Society - Muslim support for theocracy, not terrorism, is the real threat to confront
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Old 04-16-2016, 07:14 PM
 
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A thought to think about. The UK is one of the few Western Nations with an Official State Religion (The Church of England) and with a population that is 73% Christian it is already a hair breadth away from being a Theocracy.

Fear of an Islamic takeover may be sufficient to allow for the UK to become a Christian theocracy

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The Established Church

The Church of England is the established church, meaning, amongst other things:

the Monarch is the the Supreme Governor of the church (theologically Jesus is the head),
the Church performs a number of official functions,
Church and State are linked
BBC - Religions - Christianity: Church of England
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Old 04-16-2016, 11:56 PM
 
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A thought to think about. The UK is one of the few Western Nations with an Official State Religion (The Church of England) and with a population that is 73% Christian it is already a hair breadth away from being a Theocracy.

Fear of an Islamic takeover may be sufficient to allow for the UK to become a Christian theocracy
England was once a Christian theocratic state but since has advanced to be a democratic state. It is not likely the UK will revert to the older "barbaric" theocratic state system of governance.

Given the majority of people in the UK are non-Muslims it is also not likely [but not impossible] the UK will be a Islamic-theocratic-state in the near future within the next 100 years.

1. One point to consider is the birth rate of Muslims as driven by Islam is inherently faster than other groups. As such there will be a significant increase in the Muslim population in the UK.

2. Another point is, there is a very strong drive and ethos for the average Muslims to yearn psychologically for a theocratic state that is ruled by Sharia Laws.

3. There are many evil laden elements in the Quran that triggers SOME evil prone Muslims to commit evil and violence in the name of Allah and Islam.

It is the combinations of point 1 and 2 that is going to be very problematic for UK in the future when the subliminal drive for full Sharia Law of a theocratic state equivalent is manifest.
Note for example Sharia-No-Go-Zones [their existence are debated] for non-Muslims and the associated evils that arise from them. This primal impulse for Sharia Law will rear its ugly head in many aspects of life in the UK when the Muslims population get larger in time.
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Old 04-17-2016, 08:08 AM
 
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England was once a Christian theocratic state but since has advanced to be a democratic state. It is not likely the UK will revert to the older "barbaric" theocratic state system of governance.

Given the majority of people in the UK are non-Muslims it is also not likely [but not impossible] the UK will be a Islamic-theocratic-state in the near future within the next 100 years.

1. One point to consider is the birth rate of Muslims as driven by Islam is inherently faster than other groups. As such there will be a significant increase in the Muslim population in the UK.

2. Another point is, there is a very strong drive and ethos for the average Muslims to yearn psychologically for a theocratic state that is ruled by Sharia Laws.

3. There are many evil laden elements in the Quran that triggers SOME evil prone Muslims to commit evil and violence in the name of Allah and Islam.

It is the combinations of point 1 and 2 that is going to be very problematic for UK in the future when the subliminal drive for full Sharia Law of a theocratic state equivalent is manifest.
Note for example Sharia-No-Go-Zones [their existence are debated] for non-Muslims and the associated evils that arise from them. This primal impulse for Sharia Law will rear its ugly head in many aspects of life in the UK when the Muslims population get larger in time.
The UK has a fairly long history of Muslims. During the Colonial era several of the Colonies were Majority Muslim and in South West Asia a large bit of the British Army was Muslim. Muslim Punjab and Pashtun were granted perpetual British Citizenship and in some case Inheritable knighthoods in exchange for serving as the Crown's military from India to Burma, Ceylon and Southward. Today's UK Muslim Citizens are a very small fraction of what they were 100 years ago.

The present influx into England began during WW2 When they there was a serious labor shortage in England. Then beginning in the 1950s with the advent of the "Teddy Boys" and Racial discrimination of Pakistanis began the path to today's problems in England.

A few links to the History of British Muslims

The Oxford History of Islam - European Colonialism and the Emergence of Modern Muslim States - Oxford Islamic Studies Online

https://imperialglobalexeter.com/201...olonial-india/

https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/...PcO/story.html


Occasional Paper 7: Islamic Law and the Colonial Encounter in British India | Women Reclaiming and Redefining Cultures

The Muslims who fought for Britain in the first world war | World news | The Guardian


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Indian_Army

There has been a very look history of Muslims in the UK and in many parts of the world the British Army was majority Muslim. Muslims have a 300 year history of loyally serving the UK. for today's problems one need to begin looking at the effects of discrimination that began in the 1950s

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Old 04-17-2016, 12:30 PM
 
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Interesting article argues that an Islamic push for theocracy is the biggest threat to British society ...

National Secular Society - Muslim support for theocracy, not terrorism, is the real threat to confront
The article says:
"The danger isn't from suicide bombers, but from this mass of support that exists for fundamentally changing what Britain means."

I think it isn't an either/or. The danger comes from both terrorists and the mass support for using whatever method possible for Islam to take over Britain. In Britain we see political correctness used as a weapon. Over 1400 young British girls were mass raped and treated as sex slaves. The police turned a blind eye because to go after Muslims was considered to be 'racist' and 'politically incorrect'. We also see terrorism.

If we look at history, Islam has always used several methods to take over lands that they invade. Look at France today. We see support for theocracy, but we also see rioting, demands for Sharia Law, manipulation of the media, no-go zones, suing for special rights, terrorism, Islam taking over education, hate taught in mosques, lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions, threats and silencing of those who speak against Islam. In other countries we see a history of that and more.... jihad militia formations (even happening in the USA), sporadic killings and church and synagogue burning, militia warfare, persecution of non-believers and other religions, sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels, State run ethnic cleansing and genocide.


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The UK has a fairly long history of Muslims. During the Colonial era several of the Colonies were Majority Muslim and in South West Asia a large bit of the British Army was Muslim. Muslim Punjab and Pashtun were granted perpetual British Citizenship and in some case Inheritable knighthoods in exchange for serving as the Crown's military from India to Burma, Ceylon and Southward. Today's UK Muslim Citizens are a very small fraction of what they were 100 years ago.

The present influx into England began during WW2 When they there was a serious labor shortage in England. Then beginning in the 1950s with the advent of the "Teddy Boys" and Racial discrimination of Pakistanis began the path to today's problems in England.

A few links to the History of British Muslims

The Oxford History of Islam - European Colonialism and the Emergence of Modern Muslim States - Oxford Islamic Studies Online

https://imperialglobalexeter.com/201...olonial-india/

https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/...PcO/story.html


Occasional Paper 7: Islamic Law and the Colonial Encounter in British India | Women Reclaiming and Redefining Cultures

The Muslims who fought for Britain in the first world war | World news | The Guardian


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Indian_Army

There has been a very look history of Muslims in the UK and in many parts of the world the British Army was majority Muslim. Muslims have a 300 year history of loyally serving the UK. for today's problems one need to begin looking at the effects of discrimination that began in the 1950s

Urban Dictionary: paki bashing

In the eye of the storm | Red Pepper

BBC NEWS | UK | Magazine | After the N-word, the P-word

The Skinhead International: The United Kingdom
As usual as a Muslim your views are naturally blinkered with confirmation bias.

All immigrants into the UK [or anywhere in the world] are discriminated and bullied by the majority. This is human nature.
There were many immigrants in the UK and all over the world, but they do not cause evils and violence like the Muslim do.

At one time the blacks were a big problem in the US and UK but such problems has waned significantly since then to the present. This is because this is a matter of human nature which is subject to improvements over time and other factors.

But the problem with Muslim immigrant the problematic factor is the ideological which is immutable override the human nature factor.
Because the ideology has immutable principles and elements that influence and inspire SOME Muslims who are naturally born with evil tendency to commit terrible evils and violence in the name of their religion, there will always be evil and violence wherever there is Islam and Muslims.

While the problem with blacks and other immigrants will reduce with time, the problem of evil and violence will increase as there are more Muslims via new immigrant or increase via their higher birth rate.
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Old 04-18-2016, 01:03 AM
 
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As usual as a Muslim your views are naturally blinkered with confirmation bias.

All immigrants into the UK [or anywhere in the world] are discriminated and bullied by the majority. This is human nature.
There were many immigrants in the UK and all over the world, but they do not cause evils and violence like the Muslim do.

At one time the blacks were a big problem in the US and UK but such problems has waned significantly since then to the present. This is because this is a matter of human nature which is subject to improvements over time and other factors.

But the problem with Muslim immigrant the problematic factor is the ideological which is immutable override the human nature factor.
Because the ideology has immutable principles and elements that influence and inspire SOME Muslims who are naturally born with evil tendency to commit terrible evils and violence in the name of their religion, there will always be evil and violence wherever there is Islam and Muslims.

While the problem with blacks and other immigrants will reduce with time, the problem of evil and violence will increase as there are more Muslims via new immigrant or increase via their higher birth rate.
Why didn't the same occur in the far East where nearly 2/3 of the world's Muslims are?

There are 49 Muslim Majority Nations, how many are the result of a forceful conquest by Muslims?
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Old 04-18-2016, 02:04 AM
 
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A thought to think about. The UK is one of the few Western Nations with an Official State Religion (The Church of England) and with a population that is 73% Christian it is already a hair breadth away from being a Theocracy.

Fear of an Islamic takeover may be sufficient to allow for the UK to become a Christian theocracy
Just no - the non Muslim population of the UK is generally very non-religious. As a Brit I'd say, for a someone to be declaratively Christian is now seen largely as archaic or eccentric.
See article.

UK one of world's least religious countries, survey finds | World news | The Guardian
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Old 04-18-2016, 03:02 AM
 
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Why didn't the same occur in the far East where nearly 2/3 of the world's Muslims are?
Aren't you aware of what is going on in China [far West], Southern Thailand, Southern Philipines, Indonesia [Aceh, Bali].
The evils from these places are getting worse by the day.

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There are 49 Muslim Majority Nations, how many are the result of a forceful conquest by Muslims?
Not sure what is your point?
Many of the 49 Muslims Majority Nations were a result of forceful conquests while many were due to conversions.

The fact is the minority non-Muslims are having a hard time in these Muslims Majority Nations and that is getting worse as much of the evil laden verses from the Quran [Ahadiths] the ethos of Muhammad are rearing their ugly head.
It is only lately that 6 atheist bloggers were hacked to death for voicing their views. The Christian minorities in Pakistan and elsewhere are being killed, rape and all sorts of evils are committed on them merely for being Christians.
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Old 04-18-2016, 07:47 AM
 
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Aren't you aware of what is going on in China [far West], Southern Thailand, Southern Philipines, Indonesia [Aceh, Bali].
The evils from these places are getting worse by the day.

Not sure what is your point?
Many of the 49 Muslims Majority Nations were a result of forceful conquests while many were due to conversions.

The fact is the minority non-Muslims are having a hard time in these Muslims Majority Nations and that is getting worse as much of the evil laden verses from the Quran [Ahadiths] the ethos of Muhammad are rearing their ugly head.
It is only lately that 6 atheist bloggers were hacked to death for voicing their views. The Christian minorities in Pakistan and elsewhere are being killed, rape and all sorts of evils are committed on them merely for being Christians.
Have you noticed that nearly all of this aggression began after 9/11 and corresponds with a rapid spread of 2 specific groups.
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