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Old 05-17-2016, 11:29 AM
 
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Offer you these verses from the Koran where wrath and lost words
And see what these imams said that the Jews despised them, and Christians misguided, Advanced talking, and he says in his speech with the children of Israel in Sura: (Bisma bought by themselves to make amends what Allah has revealed a prostitute that God come down from His bounty to whom He will of His slaves Fbaa angrily to the anger and the disbelievers a humiliating torment) [Al-Baqarah: 90],
and he said in the table Say: Are Onbikm humans so Msoubh God from the curse of God and the wrath of it and make them apes and pigs and Abdul Juggernaut those evil place and more astray from the Straight path) [table: 60],
he says: (cursed the unbelievers of the Children of Israel on the tongue of David and Jesus son of Mary, so as disobeyed and they were attacking were not Atnahon is evil for evil they have done what they were doing) [table: 78.79].
And I wish you could see the color red
"Way, who bestowed on them" to be guided and renames who relates to him. "But wrath" They are the Jews, "not" and "misguided" They are Christians and joke allowance benefit that converts are not Jews nor Christians, and God knows what is right and to the reference and MAB and prayed God to the prophet Muhammad and his family and him recognition of a lot
August is not wrath, and who astray

4205 Narrated Abdullah bin Yousef told us the owner of the so-called Abu Saleh Abu Huraira may Allah be pleased with him that the Messenger of Allah, peace be upon him, said if the Imam is not wrath, and who does not err said, say Amen it agreed saying the words of the angels forgiven his sins






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Saying: (the door is not wrath, and who lost) the Arab people, "not" excessive, he said the meaning of the concept of exile is to confirm, lest errant fancy sympathy to those who bestowed. It was not the sense is, and is supported by reading age "is wrath and misguided" mentioned Abu Obeid Saeed Bin Mansour attribution correctly, and also to confirm and narrated by Ahmad and Ibn of modern Adi bin Hatim that the Prophet - peace be upon him - said: wrath of the Jews, nor misguided Christians reported so brief, which is when Tirmidhi in a long conversation. And narrated by Ibn Mrdoih attribution Hassan Abu Dhar, and directed by Ahmed by Abdullah bin brother told him of hearing the Prophet - peace be upon him - him and said Ibn Abi Hatim: I do not know between the commentators in that difference, Suhaili said, and he saw that the verse Jews in Fbaa angrily to anger at Christians had strayed by Odiloa much.

Abu Huraira in Imam approval in insurance, has been explained above in the character of prayer, and narrated by Ahmad, Abu Dawood and Tirmidhi narrated from Wael bin [Y: 10] Stone said: I heard the Prophet - peace be upon him - he read not wrath upon them neither astray, he said: Amen, laying out his voice narrated by Abu Dawood and Ibn Majah him from Abu Huraira.
Every message in the Qur'an was given in previous scripture. There is nothing in the Qur'an new although in some instances it was reworded for clarification.

Such as 5:60 9(By the way al-Ma'idah does not mean table, it means "The Table Spread.---" table is alttawila)

Shall I tell thee of a worse (case) than theirs for retribution with Allah? Worse (is the case of him) whom Allah hath cursed, him on whom His wrath hath fallen! Worse is he of whose sort Allah hath turned some to apes and swine, and who serveth idols. Such are in worse plight and further astray from the plain road. - 5:60 (Picktall)

To find who it is Allaah(swt0 had cursed one needs to look into the Torah Jeep in mind this was addressed to people who were very familiar with Jewish scripture.

To understand this one needs to be familiar with Jewish Scripture. the discourse ayyats 51-69 of Surah 5 (al-Ma'idah)was primarily addresed to the Quraish which were a jewish sect. They were being reminded of how God(swr) had punished some Jews that had disobeyed Him. This is a theme that was repeated to the Quraish several times

Such as:

AND LO! We accepted your solemn pledge, raising Mount Sinai high above you, [and saying;] “Hold fast with [all your] strength unto what We have vouchsafed you, and bear in mind all that is therein, so that you might remain conscious of God!” And you turned away after that-! And had it not been for God’s favour upon you and His grace, you would surely have found yourselves among the lost. For you are well aware of those from among you who profaned the Sabbath, whereupon We said unto them, “Be as apes despicable!” and set them up as a warning example for their time and for all times to come, as well as an admonition to all who are conscious of God. (2:63-66)

This is a reminder to the Quraish that the Jews who abandoned the Sabbath were severely admonished. It is not saying all Jews are Apes or Swine or that we should consider them to be. It is pointing out some Jews abandoned the Sabbath and were punished.

The Quraish being Jews< would have been well aware of the Torah chapters that point out how angry God(swt) was of the jews who abandoned the Sabbath and these were very appropriate Surah for them to hear. There were given this same message in the past in Jewish scripture.
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Old 05-17-2016, 05:32 PM
 
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Every message in the Qur'an was given in previous scripture. There is nothing in the Qur'an new although in some instances it was reworded for clarification.

Such as 5:60 9(By the way al-Ma'idah does not mean table, it means "The Table Spread.---" table is alttawila)

Shall I tell thee of a worse (case) than theirs for retribution with Allah? Worse (is the case of him) whom Allah hath cursed, him on whom His wrath hath fallen! Worse is he of whose sort Allah hath turned some to apes and swine, and who serveth idols. Such are in worse plight and further astray from the plain road. - 5:60 (Picktall)

To find who it is Allaah(swt0 had cursed one needs to look into the Torah Jeep in mind this was addressed to people who were very familiar with Jewish scripture.

To understand this one needs to be familiar with Jewish Scripture. the discourse ayyats 51-69 of Surah 5 (al-Ma'idah)was primarily addresed to the Quraish which were a jewish sect. They were being reminded of how God(swr) had punished some Jews that had disobeyed Him. This is a theme that was repeated to the Quraish several times

Such as:

AND LO! We accepted your solemn pledge, raising Mount Sinai high above you, [and saying;] “Hold fast with [all your] strength unto what We have vouchsafed you, and bear in mind all that is therein, so that you might remain conscious of God!” And you turned away after that-! And had it not been for God’s favour upon you and His grace, you would surely have found yourselves among the lost. For you are well aware of those from among you who profaned the Sabbath, whereupon We said unto them, “Be as apes despicable!” and set them up as a warning example for their time and for all times to come, as well as an admonition to all who are conscious of God. (2:63-66)

This is a reminder to the Quraish that the Jews who abandoned the Sabbath were severely admonished. It is not saying all Jews are Apes or Swine or that we should consider them to be. It is pointing out some Jews abandoned the Sabbath and were punished.

The Quraish being Jews< would have been well aware of the Torah chapters that point out how angry God(swt) was of the jews who abandoned the Sabbath and these were very appropriate Surah for them to hear. There were given this same message in the past in Jewish scripture.
Sorry, my friend, do you speak Arabic

Lyrics and verse clear they it do not accept your explanation it
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Every message in the Qur'an was given in previous scripture. There is nothing in the Qur'an new although in some instances it was reworded for clarification.
Does this mean that Islam is not a new message
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Old 05-17-2016, 05:46 PM
 
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[quote=Woodrow LI;44092213]Every message in the Qur'an was given in previous scripture. There is nothing in the Qur'an new although in some instances it was reworded for clarification.
This your talk is not of Islam

Do you believe that the Quran is also not new??????
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Old 05-17-2016, 08:08 PM
 
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Every message in the Qur'an was given in previous scripture. There is nothing in the Qur'an new although in some instances it was reworded for clarification.
Does this mean that Islam is not a new message
Correct, it is not a new message. It was the very same message given to all the Prophets(pbut) all the prophets are equal although each had uniques Muhaamad(saws) is unique because he is the last Prophet and there will not be any other Prophet on earth until Jesus(a.s.) returns.

Islam is not and never claimed to be a new religion.

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ISLAM: The Religion of All Prophets - GainPeace

Islam is not a new message
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Old 05-17-2016, 08:12 PM
 
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Every message in the Qur'an was given in previous scripture. There is nothing in the Qur'an new although in some instances it was reworded for clarification.
This your talk is not of Islam

Do you believe that the Quran is also not new??????
Correct the message in it is the very same message as was given in the Torah, Psalms and Gospel of Jesus(a.s.)

although the Qur'an does speak of some specific events that occured as the message was being revealed to the Arabs. But the message is the very same message given to all the Prophets of all nations. It is simply the last time it will be given to us. Our last chance to not mess it up like nearly all people of the past did.
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Old 05-17-2016, 08:29 PM
 
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Sorry, my friend, do you speak Arabic

Lyrics and verse clear they it do not accept your explanation it
Na'am n''cal bel Arbeea. Wellakeen n'cal b'el Darija wa ma n'araf shee b'el Sood. Wellakeen N'araf kutib aleararbia at shakhs.

TRANSLATION"

(Yes I speak Arabic but I only speak the Moroccan dialect and can not understand the spoken Saudi dialect. but I can read the written Arabic of any dialect)
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Old 05-17-2016, 10:59 PM
 
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Correct the message in it is the very same message as was given in the Torah, Psalms and Gospel of Jesus(a.s.)

although the Qur'an does speak of some specific events that occured as the message was being revealed to the Arabs. But the message is the very same message given to all the Prophets of all nations. It is simply the last time it will be given to us. Our last chance to not mess it up like nearly all people of the past did.
If the same message, why advertise Mohamed fighting against them

Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor forbid what God and His Messenger, nor condemn the religion of truth from those who were given the book until they pay tribute out of hand and they are submissive )29(
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If the same message, why advertise Mohamed fighting against them

Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor forbid what God and His Messenger, nor condemn the religion of truth from those who were given the book until they pay tribute out of hand and they are submissive )29(
the only time Muhammad fought was when attacked. Never did he attack Christians, Sabeeans or Jews. But was attacked often.

also many jews, Sabeeans and Christians do not believe what their own scriptures teach.
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Old 05-17-2016, 11:14 PM
 
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Of the attributes of God in Christianity that God is love
To be able to provide any of the Koran that God is love
What is the opinion of the people of Islam and other religions?????
The rule of Islam and other religions, they are all placed either void or copied.

The issue is the false ones: the Arabs as worship ancient idols and stones.

And abrogated religions: It is what it was like the prophets who preceded our Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him is valid, because its origin from God, but Islam came stallion replaced, not at the origin of belief as knowledge of God or angels and heaven and hell, this is agreed among the apostles wholes, but the difference among them in the ways of worship and draw closer to God by prayer, fasting and pilgrimage and zakat, etc., though followers of the prophets have occurred in the latecomers them distortion in belief and entrapment what Islam came Binh and return people to the true faith brought by the former prophets.

Abu Darda may Allah be pleased with him, said: 'Umar came concise of the Torah to the Messenger of Allah, peace be upon him said: O Messenger of Allah mosques of the Torah taken from a brother to me, "brown scrub" altering the face of the Messenger of Allah, peace be upon him, said Abdullah bin Zaid - that I see software - Omsch God's mind? Do not you see that generally the Messenger of Allah, peace be upon him, said Omar: we like Lord God and Islam as a religion and Muhammad as a prophet and the Koran imam, Vasari from the Messenger of Allah, peace be upon him, then he said, (and whose Hand if Musa was among you, then you've taken and forsaken me, the deceived far astray I received from the UN and I'm your luck of the Prophets) Narrated by Ahmad / 15437.

Ibn Hajar said:

.. All methods of this talk, which is that it was not what invoked but a whole requires that originally. (Fath al-Bari 13/525).

Proof of this verse: (It seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him in the Hereafter) Imran / 85.

Imam al-Tabari said in the interpretation of this verse:

Means that the bulk of Hereafter: It is required to have the religion of Islam to condemn him: God will not accept it, "a loser in the Hereafter," he says of Albachsin themselves fortunes of the mercy of God Almighty. (Tabari 3/339).

Islam does not seen to be guilty, but only on the youths that they are disbelievers in Hell as stated in the previous verse.

Is the loser in the hell does not come out of them, nor can an unbeliever to enter Paradise except to deliver, God said: (Those who deny Our revelations and scorn them do not open them to the gates of heaven does not enter Paradise until penetrates sentences in cm Khayat as well as We recompense the criminals) norms / 40 .

It is proven that the Prophet, peace be upon him saying: (and my hand is not heard me one of this nation, Jew or Christian, and did not believe in Him who sent, but it was the owners of the Fire) Narrated by Muslim, and ask God to guide the researcher for the right of other faiths Mulls that in the religion of Islam and the Koran book May God to guide him and open his heart to enter it.
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