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Old 05-01-2016, 06:17 AM
 
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Targets gays, atheists, Hindus ... Is the intolerance that generates such violence really separated from Islam? An impartial observer might draw their own conclusion.

'Anyone could become a target
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Old 05-01-2016, 11:11 PM
 
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My hypothesis:

1. All humans [including Muslims] have the inherent POTENTIAL to be evil.
2. 20% [conservatively] of ALL humans, including Muslims has active potential to be evil.
3. The Quran contain lots of evil laden elements.
4. The evil laden elements in (3) catalyzed and inspired SOME Muslims in (2) to commit terrible evils.

What you have in the OP is the solid evidence to support the above hypothesis?

Therefore wherever there is Islam, its evil elements will cause SOME Muslims who are naturally born with evil tendencies to commit evils and violence.

The above hypothesis and its proofs are undeniable.

Can anyone proof the hypothesis wrong?
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Old 05-02-2016, 09:58 AM
 
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One needs to look at the history of Bangladesh and try to understand what it is like to live in a Nation that was created by the UN rather than the desires of the people. The last remnant of British Colonialism to end. Ever since the Country has been plagued with unrest, major flooding, civil war etc

This time line might help keep things in perspective:

Bangladesh profile - Timeline - BBC News

Bangladesh is basically a very tolerant nation of other religions. But there are many that want to see it destroyed and the criminal element does attempt to use Islam to promote the destruction of Bangladesh.

What we have are political issues hiding behind or misusing religion to get their demands met.

It is also a Nation not well suited for development as the entire nation is in a tidal flood plane and during the monsoon season nearly 3/4 of the nation floods. Now have all the issues of overcrowding in a regions that never was suitable for human habitation.

There are many factors that lead to violence in Bangladesh and it is ripe for the haters of Islam to claim it is the result of violent verses in the Qur'an.

The usual arguments will come up and fingers will point at Islam and the Qur'an ignoring all the factors at play. Bangladesh while calling itself a Muslim Nation is not a very religious nation in practice. The people are more agnostic than practicing Muslims.

While nearly 90% of the Population claims to be Muslim they have pretty much altered Islam to suit their needs and have incorporated elements of the old tribal religions along with borrowed holidays. They seem to celebrate Holidays and have created quite a few to celebrate.

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The Islamic religion in Bangladesh plays a large role in everyday life of the people as is evidenced in the celebration of festivals such as Eid-ul-Fitr, Eid-e-Miladunnabi, Muharram and others. Whilst Muslims in Bangladesh are committed to Islam, adherence to certain rituals and tenets may vary depending on a number of factors. In some rural areas the people have began to incorporate other beliefs into their religion, some of which may not fall in line with orthodox Islam.




Religion in Bangladesh | By Bangladesh Channel
While Bangladesh claims to be Muslim alcohol is legally and openly sold. There are a number of lplaces where spirits are sold in most restaurants, Bars and Night clubs

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H Kabir warehouse
This is a duty free shop near the Mohakhali fly over in Dhaka. You can buy spirits and beer here. They normally have Teachers, Lauders, Mackenzie, Passport and Black label. Brands vary depending on what is in stock. Wine and champagne are normally available. Beers like Fosters, Heineken, Carlsberg and the other common ones are available. Beer needs to be bought per box of 24. 1 box of 24 cans is 2,200 Tk.

H. Kabir & Co. Limited
Best places to purchase alcohol in Bangladesh - Bangladesh Travel Assistance
For the curious 2,200Tk (Taka)= US $28.05
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Old 05-02-2016, 11:10 AM
 
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Targets gays, atheists, Hindus ... Is the intolerance that generates such violence really separated from Islam? An impartial observer might draw their own conclusion.

'Anyone could become a target
It's not just Bangladesh. This is happening all over the globe. In Europe it is the mass rapes, rioting, terrorism. Muslims continue cleansing their countries of Christian minorities. Nigeria, from Indonesia in the east to Morocco in the west, from Central Asia in the north, to sub-Sahara Africa, in Turkey. Genocide. Hate.
Rape. Terrorism. All over the globe and getting worse. And we are not supposed to discuss it.
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Old 05-02-2016, 11:15 AM
 
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Bangladesh has a total population of 162 Million. Of that 146,700,000 are Muslim. Now if 20% of those are evil prone that gives us 29,340,000 evil prone Muslims in an area of 57,000 squre miles. That works out 5 evil Muslims in every square Mile, If just 1 out of 5 of those avtually commits a religious crime because the Qur'an told them to do so. We should have 6,000,000 Qur'an inspired crimes occuring in Bangladesh each year or at least 90,000,000 since 9/11. Faithfreedoms little sticker shows 28,000 for the entire world during that same time frame.

But the fact is Muslims are not inspired by the Qur'an to commit violence. The nuts that do claim "The Qur'an made me do it." are no different from Flip Wilson"s Geraldine.

People simply are not influenced by the Qur'an to do evil.
That garbage is Just a load of Mushroom food being fed to the sheeple to convince them the Qur'an is evil. And there are people that actually believe that nonsense without verifying it.

Fortunately for all, Muslims and Non-Muslims, only non-Muslims believe the Qur'an condones and justifies violence.
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Old 05-02-2016, 11:45 AM
 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEMHKO5MC6c
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Old 05-02-2016, 11:51 AM
 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kevNDOCbKxE

Very interesting video ... her accent is a bit strong so listen, don't read.
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Old 05-02-2016, 09:53 PM
 
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Bangladesh has a total population of 162 Million. Of that 146,700,000 are Muslim. Now if 20% of those are evil prone that gives us 29,340,000 evil prone Muslims in an area of 57,000 squre miles. That works out 5 evil Muslims in every square Mile, If just 1 out of 5 of those avtually commits a religious crime because the Qur'an told them to do so. We should have 6,000,000 Qur'an inspired crimes occuring in Bangladesh each year or at least 90,000,000 since 9/11. Faithfreedoms little sticker shows 28,000 for the entire world during that same time frame.

But the fact is Muslims are not inspired by the Qur'an to commit violence. The nuts that do claim "The Qur'an made me do it." are no different from Flip Wilson"s Geraldine.

People simply are not influenced by the Qur'an to do evil.
That garbage is Just a load of Mushroom food being fed to the sheeple to convince them the Qur'an is evil. And there are people that actually believe that nonsense without verifying it.

Fortunately for all, Muslims and Non-Muslims, only non-Muslims believe the Qur'an condones and justifies violence.
My hypothesis:

1. All humans [including Muslims] have the inherent POTENTIAL to be evil.
2. 20% [conservatively] of ALL humans, including Muslims has active potential to be evil.
3. The Quran contain lots of evil laden elements.
4. The evil laden elements in (3) catalyzed and inspired SOME Muslims in (2) to commit terrible evils.

I have stated 20% has active potential to be evil.
I did not say all the 20% will commit evil.
The 20% is an active potential but how this potential will manifest will depend on many other factors, i.e. whether the forces suppressing it is strong enough.
Unfortunately the forces suppressing the active evil potential is weakening.

If there are a potential of 30 millions evil prone Muslims in Bangladesh, the possibility of evils being committed is very high and very likely to happen.
In the case of Bangladesh the forces holding this active evil potential is weakening.
This is proven by what is happening in Bangladesh at present.
If the government [majority Muslims] do not take serious actions, SOME of the 20% evil prone will get bolder to commit more evils and violence.

Because the Bangladesh government is comprised of a majority of Muslims, it is unlikely they will be very serious is suppressing and controlling the overall ethos of Islam and Muslims. This will open up cracks for the evil prone to take advantage and commit more evils and violence.

Once such evils has taken roots [i.e. killing of non-Muslims and their apologists] it is very difficult for any government* to control it because these evil prone Muslims as influenced by the Quran love death more than life. It is a win-win situation for them, if they kill they win, if they are caught and hanged they go straight to Paradise as martyrs.
* worst still if the government comprised of a majority of Muslims who would be bias toward "us =Muslims" rather than "them =infidels=evil."
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Old 05-03-2016, 12:43 AM
 
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But the fact is Muslims are not inspired by the Qur'an to commit violence. The nuts that do claim "The Qur'an made me do it." are no different from Flip Wilson"s Geraldine.

People simply are not influenced by the Qur'an to do evil.
That garbage is Just a load of Mushroom food being fed to the sheeple to convince them the Qur'an is evil. And there are people that actually believe that nonsense without verifying it.
It is not the whole Quran, but the Quran in part contains loads of evil laden elements.
There are too many incidents where terrible evils and violence as influenced by the Quran by SOME evil Muslims to overwhelm your denial.
IF one or a few cases happened then we can call those guilty Muslims nuts but the overwhelming evidences are too much to blame them as "nutcases".

There are many incidents evil prone Muslims who quote verses from the Quran and the essence of Islam to justify their evils and violence on non-Muslims and even some other Muslims. Even ISIS put the Shahada on the center of their black flag.
There are so many cases where evil prone Muslims justify their evils and violence to the Quran, Islam and Muhammad that I have a problem listing all of them here. But you are up to date with the news you would have noted what I meant.

Btw, I am not just referring to that stickler [it is not from faithfreedom btw] but there is a whole range of evils from low [e.g. injustice to non-Muslims] to high [killings and genocides] that are committed by individual Muslims, Muslim groups, Muslims Nations against non-Muslim in the name of Islam.

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Fortunately for all, Muslims and Non-Muslims, only non-Muslims believe the Qur'an condones and justifies violence.
You should not insult your own intelligence and those of others with the above shortsighted conclusion.

At present, there is a big threat from evil prone Muslims who are influenced and inspired by the Quran against non-Muslims to extent there has to be extra ordinary heightened security all over the world in the following;

1. Airports
2. Museums
3. Supermarkets
4. Football stadiums
5. Underground stations
6. Transport vehicles
7. Hotels
8. Beaches
9. Mass events
10. Seas
11. Embassies
12. Many other places

All the above is because of the Quran and its evil laden elements.
If there is no Quran, then the above heightened scare, fears and threats around the world would not exist.

There are no extensive scares, fears and threats associated with the religious texts of other mainstream religions.
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Old 05-03-2016, 01:20 AM
 
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Bangladesh has a total population of 162 Million. Of that 146,700,000 are Muslim. Now if 20% of those are evil prone that gives us 29,340,000 evil prone Muslims in an area of 57,000 squre miles. That works out 5 evil Muslims in every square Mile, If just 1 out of 5 of those avtually commits a religious crime because the Qur'an told them to do so. We should have 6,000,000 Qur'an inspired crimes occuring in Bangladesh each year or at least 90,000,000 since 9/11. Faithfreedoms little sticker shows 28,000 for the entire world during that same time frame.

But the fact is Muslims are not inspired by the Qur'an to commit violence. The nuts that do claim "The Qur'an made me do it." are no different from Flip Wilson"s Geraldine.

People simply are not influenced by the Qur'an to do evil.
That garbage is Just a load of Mushroom food being fed to the sheeple to convince them the Qur'an is evil. And there are people that actually believe that nonsense without verifying it.

Fortunately for all, Muslims and Non-Muslims, only non-Muslims believe the Qur'an condones and justifies violence.
He was merely saying that if their religion and idol scriptures were taken from (perhaps) Jains, there would be a much much lower rate of evil produce from these violent criminal people. Needless to say, the terrorist's ignorance, vendetta, and interpretation right allows them to see the Quran and their religion the way they were taught by others with vendetta and figured out for themselves based on their circumstances, wishes, and biases.
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