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Old 11-25-2019, 12:21 AM
 
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Answering Christians and Atheist about Hadith sperm stays in the mothers womb for forty days.

Christians and Atheist are trying the claim that this hadith is speaking about the male fluid being able to survive in the mothers womb for 40 days and that's not the correct interpretation of this verse and the word nutfah in the Qur'an and other hadith's of Muhammad.

Nutfah seed a mixture of female and male sperm 23 chromosomes and egg 23 chromosomes fused together.
Qur'an 23:13
Thumma jaAAalnahu nutfatan feeqararin makeenin
Then We placed him as a living seed (nutfah a drop of fluid) and placed in safe depository.

Arberry then We set him, a drop, in a receptacle secure,
Shakir Then We made him a small seed in a firm resting-place,

This is the correct translation of the Hadith is a drop of fluid or nutfah and nutfah can mean male sperm and a female egg and the fused formation of the two and the creation of a human being female egg nutfah and the male sperm nutfah, and there's no contradiction with Embryology.

Most translate it as semen, but it can also mean a mothers egg or drop of reproductive fluid, it means a drop of fluid.

On the authority of Abu Abdul Rahmaan Abdullah ibn
Masood (may Allah be pleased with him) who said: The
Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) and he is the
truthful, the believed, narrated to us: Verily, each of you is
brought together in his mother's abdomen for forty days in
the form of a drop of fluid. Then it is a clinging object for
a similar [period]. Thereafter, it is a lump looking like it
has been chewed for a similar [period] . The angel is then
sent to him and he breathes into him the spirit. He is also
commanded to issue four decrees: to record his sustenance,
his life span, his deeds and [whether he will be] unhappy
[by entering Hell] or happy [by entering Paradise].

The original hadith didn't contain the words nutfah in the text, this is an addition to the hadith because some Muslims thought it fit the hadith and added the word nutfah to the text.

Evidence :

A Mistake in the Text of the 40 Hadith
One will note that the above text states, "Surely, each of you is brought
together in his mother's abdomen for forty days in the form of a drop of fluid
(nutfah)." This last word, nutfah, is a mistake and is not part of the hadith. AlQadhaah
wrote,

The word nutfah has been [incorrectly] added to the text. It is
not mentioned in any of the existing sources of the sunnah.
However, it is found in some of the books of the later writers,
such as hadith number 4 of al-Nawawi's 40 Hadith. It seems
that it was mentioned to make the sentence clearer and, then,
afterwards the people thought it was part of the hadith and
included it as such. In reality, the existence of that word in the
hadith changes in some way the meaning of the hadith. While
the original text of the hadith makes it clear that the fetus goes
through all three stages (nutfah, alaqah and mudhghah) in the
first forty days. The added word gives a different meaning.
According to the wrong narration, the stages take place in the
first four months. It is clear from modem day science that such
is not correct. This hadith also demonstrates one of the many
scientific "miracles" that one finds in the hadith with authentic
narrations.

Source:
Commentary
on the Forty Hadith of
al-Nawawi
Volume 1 By
Jamaal al-Din M. Zarabozo
Page 325

Book source online read and download pdf Adobe Digital Reader and Kendle
https://archive.org/stream/Commentar.../n343/mode/2up

Commentary
on the Forty Hadith of
al-Nawawi
Volume 1 and 2
https://archive.org/details/Commenta...01507/page/n19

This is the correct reading of the hadith.
On the authority of Abu Abdul Rahmaan Abdullah ibn Masood (may Allah be
pleased with him) who said: The Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) and
he is the truthful, the believed, narrated to us: "Verily, each of you is brought
together in his mother's abdomen for forty days. Then it is therein a clinging
object during this period. Thereafter, it is therein a lump looking like it has
been chewed in this period. The angel is then sent to him . . . "

Medical science confirmation.

Baby’s development in the womb
https://www.mydr.com.au/babies-pregn...nt-in-the-womb
First month

After the egg a sperm fuse into one nutfah drop of fluid, the cells start to divide then it's carried along the fallopian tube to the uterus this is roughly 4 weeks 30 days while, it clings to the uterus.
Muhammad was 100% correct.

Hadith
The Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) and
he is the truthful, the believed, narrated to us: "Verily, each of you is brought
together in his mother's abdomen for forty days. Then it is therein a clinging
object during this period.



After the egg has been fertilised by the sperm, it starts to divide into more cells. This happens all the time it is carried along the fallopian tube to the uterus. By the time it reaches the uterus the fertilised egg has become a cluster of cells which float in the uterine cavity until it embeds in the wall of the uterus. This implantation in the wall of the uterus is when conception is complete. This is roughly 4 weeks after day one of the last menstrual period if you have a 28-day cycle.
https://d2m3czf6fvb8bh.cloudfront.ne...tilisation.gif

Second month
Week 5 the embryo the brain and spinal cord is starting to grow.
At 5 weeks the embryo is the size of a grain of rice (about 2 mm long) and would be visible to the naked eye. It has the beginnings of a brain with 2 lobes and its spinal cord is starting to form.

Thereafter, it is therein a lump looking like it has
been chewed in this period. The angel is then sent to him . . . "
At 6 weeks of ‘pregnancy’ (3-4 weeks after fertilisation) the embryo has a head with simple eyes and ears. Its heart has 2 chambers and is beating. Small buds are present that will form arms and legs later. The beginnings of the spine can be seen and the lower part of the body looks like a tail.
Picture of the
https://d2m3czf6fvb8bh.cloudfront.ne...yoat6weeks.gif

Muhammad said during this period it's clinging and looks like a lump chewed confirmed by Medical Science 100%
"Surely, each of you is brought together in his mother's abdomen for forty
days. It is then therein a clinging object during this period. Thereafter it is
therein a lump looking like it has been chewed during this period."

Now nutfah can mean both male and female fused fluid or a drop of fluid, so even if the word nutfah was actually in the original text this means nothing, because this wouldn't contradict Embryology.


Qur'an confirms:
"And indeed We created man (Adam) out of an extract of clay (water and
earth). Then We made him [the offspring of Adam] as a nutfah (mixture of
male and female sexual fluid) in a safe lodging [womb of the woman] . Then
We made the nutfah into an object that clings. Then We made the clinging
object into a chewed-up looking lump. Then We made out of that chewed-up
lump bones. Then We clothed the bones with flesh. Then We brought it forth
as another creation. So blessed be Allah, the best of Creators" (al-Muminoon
1 2 :1 4).

Nutfah can mean sperm and female egg and both mixed and fused together to form a fetus.

The female nutfah. In surah al-Insaan, verse 2, it mentions nutfat amshaaj or mixed sexual fluid. This implies the existence of a female source of nutfah. In fact, this has been interpreted by ibn Abbaas to mean both the male and female nutfah.2 Albar states that this is not explicitly mentioned in the Quran but it is stated in a hadith in Musnad Ahmad, wherein......


The Prophet (peace be upon him) tells a Jew that man is created from both male
and female nutfah. Albar then states, "This is a very astonishing revelation, as
it is only recently that we [in the medical field] came to know that both male
and female participate equally to the formation of the human (or animal)
zygote.


Al-Bukhari and Muslim narrated from Anas that the Prophet said MHMD - upon him and his House blessings and peace:

Allah Most High has appointed an angel over the uterus who says,
"Lord! It is now a sperm-and-ovum drop (nut.fa).
"Lord! It is now a thing that clings (`alaqa).
"Lord! It is now a thing like chewed flesh (mud.gha)."
Then, when he wants to complete its fashioning, he asks, "Male or female? Happy or wretched? What is his share of sustenance? What is his term of life?" All this is inscribed [as it is] in his mother's belly.


So Muhammad and the Qur'an confirms that nutfah means the male sperm and female egg and the fused male sperm and female egg and this perfectly fits Embryology and the formation of the fetus.



Dr. Keith Moore confirms this, him being a professor of Embryology and a Christian.

Video of Dr. Keith Moore's lecture of Embryology in the Qur'an.
Embryology in the Qur'an lecture by Dr. Keith L. Moore (University of Illinois, 1990)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upa4BSH7ua4&t=853s
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Old 11-25-2019, 11:57 AM
 
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Selected miracles from the final Holy Book The Quran [indent]The Quran is The final Holy Book From Allah to all mankind
and it is considered the constitution and the Laws that must be comply by every one in this world
it is more 1400 years old and it also contain stories and kind of history events and hints and signs to scientific facts
First of all how do you know the Qur'an is the final holy book.
god changed his mind as we went through all the Abrahamic religions.
What is to say he doesn't change his mind again.

also the Qur'an is not 1400 years old.
Some of the writings are pangarized from other religions of the area, and some precede Muhammed.

However the religion as is packaged and sold today is a product of the 9th century, not the 7th as is claimed.

Then we have to add in all the misdated documents from the 10th to the 12th, that are claimed to be from Muhammeds time.
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Old 11-25-2019, 02:59 PM
 
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However the religion as is packaged and sold today is a product of the 9th century, not the 7th as is claimed.
We must inform the Trading Standard guys about this product being sold out of date.
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Old 11-25-2019, 04:43 PM
 
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Selected miracles from the final Holy Book The Quran

and the Quran mentioned that it is the Lowest Place On Earth in the following verse.
Alif, Lam, Mim.
The Romans have been defeated
in the lowest land....................... The Noble Quran. 30.1:3

It doesn't say that, but obviously someone told you it did and you are running with it.
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Old 08-12-2020, 04:20 PM
 
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The Qur'an of today is not over 1400 years old.
It is from the 9th century, making it 1200 years old
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Old 08-13-2020, 03:05 AM
 
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The Qur'an of today is not over 1400 years old.
It is from the 9th century, making it 1200 years old
Hadith books are from the 9th century. The Qur'an has been memorised for over 1400 years.
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Old 08-13-2020, 08:35 AM
 
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Hadith books are from the 9th century. The Qur'an has been memorised for over 1400 years.
That's what Muslims are told, not counting piles of other evidence, the Qur'an is written in Clasical Arabic, a language that was not invented untill the 9th century.

Early fragments of the Qur'an are all different, many are just biblical stories they were plagiarized from.

Ishaq is 125 years after the fact, but was lost and re-written by Ibn Husain 60 years later.
Taburi is next.
Then Bukhari, 300 years late.
after that is Muslim.

Virtually nothing shows up in the first 100 years.
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Old 08-14-2020, 12:53 PM
 
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The Qur'an of today is not over 1400 years old.
It is from the 9th century, making it 1200 years old
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Hadith books are from the 9th century. The Qur'an has been memorised for over 1400 years.
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That's what Muslims are told, not counting piles of other evidence, the Qur'an is written in Clasical Arabic, a language that was not invented untill the 9th century.
Language of the Qur'an is عَرَبِيٌّ مُبِين (clear Arabic). Read the Qur'an 16:103.

[Qur'an 44.58] So have We made it easy in your tongue (speech, language) that they may be mindful.

The Qur'an was revealed in Muhammad's language. Did he live in the 9th century?

[Qur'an 19.97] So We have only made it easy in your tongue that you may give good news thereby to those who are conscious (of God) and warn thereby a vehemently contentious people.

Did Muhammad do that in the 9th century?

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Early fragments of the Qur'an are all different, many are just biblical stories they were plagiarized from.
Who decides which are the early fragments of the Qur'an? And how do you decide so??

Did you know that early fragments of the Qur'an don't even exist in written form?

The Qur'an is preserved in memory form from the outset in the 7th century.

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Ishaq is 125 years after the fact, but was lost and re-written by Ibn Husain 60 years later.
After the "fact"? 125 years after 9th century or 125 years after the 7th century?

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Tabari is next.
Then Bukhari, 300 years late.
after that is Muslim.

Virtually nothing shows up in the first 100 years.
You are not talking about the Qur'an here but hadith books.

It seems as if you do not know the difference between the Qur'an and hadith books.

Do you know the difference between "al-hadith" (الْحَدِيث) and "hadith" (حَدِيث)?
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Old 09-01-2020, 03:30 PM
 
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You're entire post made no sense, and has nothing to do with the statements you are pretending to address.
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Old 09-01-2020, 04:23 PM
 
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You're entire post made no sense, and has nothing to do with the statements you are pretending to address.
Do you know the difference between "al-hadith" (الْحَدِيث) and "hadith" (حَدِيث)?

If not, nothing about Islam will make sense to you.
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