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Old 05-23-2016, 09:49 PM
 
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Here are the various counters that prove why the present Quran cannot be exactly the same as the original recited by Muhammad [if that is a case].


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-4RH6Xv_Vs

Jay Smith referred to the earliest 6 copies of textual Quran [see below] available for investigation and they all are incomplete and has lots of errors and omissions.
1 Hijazi manuscripts
1.1 Sana'a manuscript
1.2 Codex Parisino-petropolitanus
1.3 BnF Arabe 328(c) and Birmingham fragment
1.4 Tübingen manuscript
2 Kufic manuscripts
2.1 Topkapi manuscript
2.2 Samarkand Kufic Quran

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_Quranic_manuscripts
Any counters to the above?
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Old 05-23-2016, 11:17 PM
 
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If you are thinking that there is no full textual copy of the original present today and any preserved Uthman Qur'an is incomplete in text then that would have been a perfect reason to have variation in recitations of millions of Hafiz all over the world.
Note the above video argued the 6 earliest available Quran are all partial and incomplete.
That is confirmed by Islamic researchers from Turkey and elsewhere.
In addition it is claimed these Qurans were not available till much later in the late 7th and 8th [?] century.
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Old 05-23-2016, 11:38 PM
 
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Does any one has actual evidence of the oldest complete Quran that is exactly the same as the present Quran?

Noted this:
A Quran written in 1203, believed to be the oldest known complete copy, sold for more than £1,140,500 (Dh8,667,800) at an auction in London earlier this year.

The Quran fetched more than four times its pre-sale estimate of £250,000 (Dh1,925,000).
Auction: Ancient Qurans On Sale | GulfNews.com
Question is;
If Allah and Islam is that Great, Why there are no complete copies in the
1. 7th century
2. 8th century
3. 9th century
4. 10th century
5. 11th century
6. 12th century??

Note there were complete full copy of other texts e.g. Tanakh, NT in the 5th century and prior around the Middle East.
Since Islam originated in the Middle East why no complete Quran before 12th century?

These are the questions that raise doubts in the minds of historians.

Last edited by Continuum; 05-24-2016 at 12:02 AM..
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Old 09-26-2018, 02:44 PM
 
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What the hell are you talking do you really think you will get away so you want early manuscripts of quran huh here it is wikipedia early manuscripts of quran islam awareness early quranic manuscripts the early compilation of quran as compared to old testament and new testament and final revelation blog your accusation is false based on lies after all your god permits lies he supported lie of labad
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Old 09-27-2018, 02:19 AM
 
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What the hell are you talking do you really think you will get away so you want early manuscripts of quran huh here it is wikipedia early manuscripts of quran islam awareness early quranic manuscripts the early compilation of quran as compared to old testament and new testament and final revelation blog your accusation is false based on lies after all your god permits lies he supported lie of labad
This is an old thread resurrected by Zafar Sharif Choudhury (junior member). The author is stated as "not a member".

It's interesting to read the arguments about the earliest manuscripts of the Qur'an but it must be remembered that the Qur'an has been preserved from day it was revealed not only in written form but through the memory of now thousands of Hafiz (Memorizers) in many Muslim majority countries.

The fact that many Muslims memorized the Qur'an as it was revealed over a period of about 22 years, and this memorization continued over the centuries, the Qur'an is preserved word by word and letter by letter in the memory of millions of Muslims. Any old writing is just an old written material and not necessarily original manuscripts of the Qur'an. Written material can be dated but it doesn't mean nothing existed before that date. Memory of Hafiz has always existed since the days the Qur'an was revealed to the prophet.
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