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Old 06-13-2016, 07:35 AM
 
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Sorry, I just don't believe that!
Nor do I believe in the Muslim "prophet".
Nor do I believe in Joseph Smith.
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Old 06-13-2016, 08:30 AM
 
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Sorry, I just don't believe that!
Nor do I believe in the Muslim "prophet".
Nor do I believe in Joseph Smith.
Who would you say is cooler and more magical? Mohammed, who flew over the moon on his unicorn Buraq... or Joseph Smith with his stovepipe hat to receive his prophecies, no?


But I guess according to OP Joseph Smith (Peace be Upon Him) was technically Muslim, so.....
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Old 06-13-2016, 03:04 PM
 
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immaterial. they are acting in full submission to Allaah(swt) simply by having been born. They do not have free will, free choice or even the knowledge of how to make a choice. Basicall the same as Angels, without the ability to choose to believe or not believe.
If people are already automatically acting according to Allah's will, then why are Muslims slaughtering people who won't convert?
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Old 06-13-2016, 05:05 PM
 
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If people are already automatically acting according to Allah's will, then why are Muslims slaughtering people who won't convert?
They act according to allah's will when they are babies (because they have no will and supposedly believe in allah by default). So, although babies are slaughtered, they are not a direct target. Muslims do use them as human shields I've heard. Then babies get older and choose not to follow allah. That makes them a target.

The mystery is why so many Muslims slaughter other Muslims. Over 11 MILLION Muslims have been slaughtered by other Muslims since 1946.
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Old 06-15-2016, 06:30 AM
 
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If people are already automatically acting according to Allah's will, then why are Muslims slaughtering people who won't convert?
If any Muslim is doing that they are disobeying the Qur'an.
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Old 06-15-2016, 06:41 AM
 
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They act according to allah's will when they are babies (because they have no will and supposedly believe in allah by default). So, although babies are slaughtered, they are not a direct target. Muslims do use them as human shields I've heard. Then babies get older and choose not to follow allah. That makes them a target.

The mystery is why so many Muslims slaughter other Muslims. Over 11 MILLION Muslims have been slaughtered by other Muslims since 1946.
Perhaps those slaughtering Muslims are not following Islam and are calling them selves Muslims.

It is true the terrorists nearly always target Muslims or powerful Non-Islamic nations that will retaliate with massive military force against Islamic Nations.
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Old 06-15-2016, 07:23 AM
 
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Perhaps those slaughtering Muslims are not following Islam and are calling them selves Muslims.

It is true the terrorists nearly always target Muslims or powerful Non-Islamic nations that will retaliate with massive military force against Islamic Nations.
Hogwash! There are so many who follow Islam slaughtering their fellow Muslims. If it were just a few nuts, I'd consider. But it isn't a few and they aren't nuts. They are well studied in Islam. Muslims have been slaughtering Muslims since the battle of the camel. And no other ideology has this kind of mass slaughter of fellow adherents going on.

Every single day Muslims slaughter Muslims.

It's easy to claim that the ones slaughtering aren't Muslims. But reality says differently.

No, the Muslim terrorists do not "nearly always target Muslims or powerful Non-Islamic nations that will retaliate with massive military force against Islamic Nations."

2016.06.14 Nigeria Kautuva 4 3 Jihadists burn down houses, murder four villagers and kidnap three women.
2016.06.13 India Kud 1 6 Muslim militants open fire from a bus, killing a woman and injuring a child.
2016.06.13 France Magnanville 2 1 A terrorist stabs a couple to death while shouting praises to Allah.
2016.06.12 Cameroon Darak 42 0 The bodies of forty-two fishermen are found a few days after they were captured by Boko Haram.
2016.06.12 Afghanistan Ghor 1 0 The Taliban cut out the eyes of a day laborer and skin him alive.
2016.06.12 Syria Raqqa 1 0 A caliphate member executes his own brother for apostasy.
2016.06.12 Libya Sirte 3 7 A suicide bomber detonates at a hospital, taking three others with him.
2016.06.12 Philippines Samal Island 1 0 A Canadian hostage is beheaded by Abu Sayyaf.
2016.06.12 USA Orlando, FL 49 53 An Islamic extremist massacres forty-nine people at a gay nightclub.
2016.06.11 Iraq Tarmiya 7 0 Three children and two women are among seven family members massacred in their home by sectarian activists.
2016.06.11 Iraq Yathrib 10 0 A grave is discovered containing ten ISIS victims.
2016.06.11 Iraq Sichr 17 0 Seventeen people are allegedly massacred by a Shiite militia.
2016.06.11 Syria Sayyida Zeinab 20 30 A double suicide bombing outside a Shiite mosque leaves at least twenty dead.
2016.06.11 Libya Benghazi 7 8 Seven civilians lose their lives when Islamist shell their neighborhood.
2016.06.11 Afghanistan Haska Mena 6 11 At least six are left dead after Islamic State members fire into a police station.
2016.06.11 Afghanistan Rodat 4 70 Religious extremists plant a bomb in a rival mosque that eliminates four worshippers.
2016.06.10 Egypt Rafah 1 0 A young police recruit is cut down in the prime of life by Islamic radicals.
2016.06.10 Iraq Baghdad 3 11 A Shahid suicide bomber takes out three other souls.
2016.06.10 Iraq Fallujah 30 0 Islamists spray machine-gun fire into a crowd of women and children trying to flee the caliphate, killing at least thirty.
2016.06.10 Syria al-Zahraa 1 6 A civilian is killed when terrorists send a rocket into a home.
2016.06.10 Syria Aleppo 3 15 A young girl is among three civilians aerated by Sunni shrapnel.
2016.06.10 Syria Ghandoura 37 0 ISIS members massacre at least thirty-seven villagers, including women and children.
2016.06.10 Nigeria Mairari 4 0 Islamists drag four women out of their homes and slit their throats.
2016.06.10 Somalia Bula Fulay 4 0 A pro-Sharia group beheads one man and shoot three others.
2016.06.10 Pakistan Lahore 3 1 A young couple are honor killed for marrying against their family's wishes along with a friend who helped them.
2016.06.10 Bangladesh Dhaka 1 0 A 62-year-old Hindu monastery worker is hacked to death by Religion of Peace proponents.
2016.06.09 Iraq Mosul 1 0 A woman is stoned to death in front of a mosque for adultery.
2016.06.09 Iraq Kirkuk 1 5 A mother is killed by an IS IED while leading her family out of the caliphate.
2016.06.09 Iraq Baghdad 19 46 A Sunni suicide bomber targets a commercial district in a Shiite area, killing nineteen.
2016.06.09 Iraq Taji 12 32 A dozen Iraqis are sent to Allah by a Shahid suicide bomber.
2016.06.09 Somalia Halgan 43 0 Dozens of AU peacekeepers are massacred during an al-Shabaab suicide assault.
2016.06.09 Syria Meydan 5 50 At least five are killed when al-Nusra deliberately shells a civilian area.
2016.06.09 Pakistan Changa Manga 0 1 A Christian man is badly beaten by a Muslim mob for selling food deemed 'unclean' because of his religion.
2016.06.09 Syria Handarat 1 8 A Sunni rocket claims the life of a child.
2016.06.09 Iraq Wilayat Salahuddin 1 0 A man is beheaded for sorcery by the caliphate.
2016.06.08 Iraq Hanbas 3 3 An ISIS bomb blast lays out three Shiites.
2016.06.08 Libya Abu Grein 25 32 Over two dozen defenders are killed during an ISIS assault on a small town.
2016.06.08 Libya Buairat el-Hassun 7 18 An ISIS car bomb claims seven lives.
2016.06.08 Syria Manbij 19 0 Nineteen civilians are killed by the Islamic State.
2016.06.08 Pakistan Lahore 1 0 A 17-year-old girl is burnt alive by her conservative mother for eloping without permission.
2016.06.08 Israel Tel Aviv 4 13 Muslims disguised as Orthodox Jews fire into a food and retail market, killing four patrons as they praise Allah.
2016.06.07 Afghanistan Sokhti 11 12 Eleven local security personnel are killed during a Taliban attack.
2016.06.07 Afghanistan Ghazni 12 50 The Taliban stop vehicles along a highway and massacre a dozen occupants.
2016.06.07 Iraq Khazar 5 0 Five displaced persons are further removed by ISIS bombers.
2016.06.07 Iraq Haditha 2 0 Two female factory workers are disassembled by a Fedayeen suicide bomber.
2016.06.07 Bangladesh Jhenaidah 1 0 A 69-year-old Hindu priest is hacked to death by Islamic radicals.
2016.06.07 Iraq Karbala 7 20 A Sunni suicide bomber produces seven dead Shiites at a commercial area.
2016.06.06 Jordan Amman 5 0 At least five employees are killed in their office by Islamic militants.
2016.06.06 Iraq Baghdad 2 11 Jihadis bomb a local market, killing two patrons.
2016.06.06 Afghanistan Sari Pul 7 0 A child is among seven gunned down by Taliban fundamentalists.
2016.06.06 Yemen Khormaksar 1 0 A civilian is killed when Muslim extremists fire on an airport.
2016.06.06 Iraq Fallujah 4 0 Four civilians are tortured to death by a Shiite militia.
2016.06.06 Yemen Taiz 8 13 Shiite shells kill eight family members, including three children.
2016.06.06 Nigeria Adamawa 4 0 Four farmers are murdered by Boko Haram.
2016.06.06 Egypt Sadwet 1 0 A young policeman is shot to death in the name of Allah.
2016.06.06 Thailand Narathiwat 3 2 Two villagers are shot point blank by Muslim terrorists.
2016.06.06 Iraq Mosul 11 0 Eleven people are executed in front of their families for trying to flee the caliphate.

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/a...aspx?Yr=Last30
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Old 06-15-2016, 11:24 AM
 
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Hogwash! There are so many who follow Islam slaughtering their fellow Muslims. If it were just a few nuts, I'd consider. But it isn't a few and they aren't nuts. They are well studied in Islam. Muslims have been slaughtering Muslims since the battle of the camel. And no other ideology has this kind of mass slaughter of fellow adherents going on.

Every single day Muslims slaughter Muslims.

It's easy to claim that the ones slaughtering aren't Muslims. But reality says differently.

No, the Muslim terrorists do not "nearly always target Muslims or powerful Non-Islamic nations that will retaliate with massive military force against Islamic Nations."

2016.06.14 Nigeria Kautuva 4 3 Jihadists burn down houses, murder four villagers and kidnap three women.
2016.06.13 India Kud 1 6 Muslim militants open fire from a bus, killing a woman and injuring a child.
2016.06.13 France Magnanville 2 1 A terrorist stabs a couple to death while shouting praises to Allah.
2016.06.12 Cameroon Darak 42 0 The bodies of forty-two fishermen are found a few days after they were captured by Boko Haram.
2016.06.12 Afghanistan Ghor 1 0 The Taliban cut out the eyes of a day laborer and skin him alive.
2016.06.12 Syria Raqqa 1 0 A caliphate member executes his own brother for apostasy.
2016.06.12 Libya Sirte 3 7 A suicide bomber detonates at a hospital, taking three others with him.
2016.06.12 Philippines Samal Island 1 0 A Canadian hostage is beheaded by Abu Sayyaf.
2016.06.12 USA Orlando, FL 49 53 An Islamic extremist massacres forty-nine people at a gay nightclub.
2016.06.11 Iraq Tarmiya 7 0 Three children and two women are among seven family members massacred in their home by sectarian activists.
2016.06.11 Iraq Yathrib 10 0 A grave is discovered containing ten ISIS victims.
2016.06.11 Iraq Sichr 17 0 Seventeen people are allegedly massacred by a Shiite militia.
2016.06.11 Syria Sayyida Zeinab 20 30 A double suicide bombing outside a Shiite mosque leaves at least twenty dead.
2016.06.11 Libya Benghazi 7 8 Seven civilians lose their lives when Islamist shell their neighborhood.
2016.06.11 Afghanistan Haska Mena 6 11 At least six are left dead after Islamic State members fire into a police station.
2016.06.11 Afghanistan Rodat 4 70 Religious extremists plant a bomb in a rival mosque that eliminates four worshippers.
2016.06.10 Egypt Rafah 1 0 A young police recruit is cut down in the prime of life by Islamic radicals.
2016.06.10 Iraq Baghdad 3 11 A Shahid suicide bomber takes out three other souls.
2016.06.10 Iraq Fallujah 30 0 Islamists spray machine-gun fire into a crowd of women and children trying to flee the caliphate, killing at least thirty.
2016.06.10 Syria al-Zahraa 1 6 A civilian is killed when terrorists send a rocket into a home.
2016.06.10 Syria Aleppo 3 15 A young girl is among three civilians aerated by Sunni shrapnel.
2016.06.10 Syria Ghandoura 37 0 ISIS members massacre at least thirty-seven villagers, including women and children.
2016.06.10 Nigeria Mairari 4 0 Islamists drag four women out of their homes and slit their throats.
2016.06.10 Somalia Bula Fulay 4 0 A pro-Sharia group beheads one man and shoot three others.
2016.06.10 Pakistan Lahore 3 1 A young couple are honor killed for marrying against their family's wishes along with a friend who helped them.
2016.06.10 Bangladesh Dhaka 1 0 A 62-year-old Hindu monastery worker is hacked to death by Religion of Peace proponents.
2016.06.09 Iraq Mosul 1 0 A woman is stoned to death in front of a mosque for adultery.
2016.06.09 Iraq Kirkuk 1 5 A mother is killed by an IS IED while leading her family out of the caliphate.
2016.06.09 Iraq Baghdad 19 46 A Sunni suicide bomber targets a commercial district in a Shiite area, killing nineteen.
2016.06.09 Iraq Taji 12 32 A dozen Iraqis are sent to Allah by a Shahid suicide bomber.
2016.06.09 Somalia Halgan 43 0 Dozens of AU peacekeepers are massacred during an al-Shabaab suicide assault.
2016.06.09 Syria Meydan 5 50 At least five are killed when al-Nusra deliberately shells a civilian area.
2016.06.09 Pakistan Changa Manga 0 1 A Christian man is badly beaten by a Muslim mob for selling food deemed 'unclean' because of his religion.
2016.06.09 Syria Handarat 1 8 A Sunni rocket claims the life of a child.
2016.06.09 Iraq Wilayat Salahuddin 1 0 A man is beheaded for sorcery by the caliphate.
2016.06.08 Iraq Hanbas 3 3 An ISIS bomb blast lays out three Shiites.
2016.06.08 Libya Abu Grein 25 32 Over two dozen defenders are killed during an ISIS assault on a small town.
2016.06.08 Libya Buairat el-Hassun 7 18 An ISIS car bomb claims seven lives.
2016.06.08 Syria Manbij 19 0 Nineteen civilians are killed by the Islamic State.
2016.06.08 Pakistan Lahore 1 0 A 17-year-old girl is burnt alive by her conservative mother for eloping without permission.
2016.06.08 Israel Tel Aviv 4 13 Muslims disguised as Orthodox Jews fire into a food and retail market, killing four patrons as they praise Allah.
2016.06.07 Afghanistan Sokhti 11 12 Eleven local security personnel are killed during a Taliban attack.
2016.06.07 Afghanistan Ghazni 12 50 The Taliban stop vehicles along a highway and massacre a dozen occupants.
2016.06.07 Iraq Khazar 5 0 Five displaced persons are further removed by ISIS bombers.
2016.06.07 Iraq Haditha 2 0 Two female factory workers are disassembled by a Fedayeen suicide bomber.
2016.06.07 Bangladesh Jhenaidah 1 0 A 69-year-old Hindu priest is hacked to death by Islamic radicals.
2016.06.07 Iraq Karbala 7 20 A Sunni suicide bomber produces seven dead Shiites at a commercial area.
2016.06.06 Jordan Amman 5 0 At least five employees are killed in their office by Islamic militants.
2016.06.06 Iraq Baghdad 2 11 Jihadis bomb a local market, killing two patrons.
2016.06.06 Afghanistan Sari Pul 7 0 A child is among seven gunned down by Taliban fundamentalists.
2016.06.06 Yemen Khormaksar 1 0 A civilian is killed when Muslim extremists fire on an airport.
2016.06.06 Iraq Fallujah 4 0 Four civilians are tortured to death by a Shiite militia.
2016.06.06 Yemen Taiz 8 13 Shiite shells kill eight family members, including three children.
2016.06.06 Nigeria Adamawa 4 0 Four farmers are murdered by Boko Haram.
2016.06.06 Egypt Sadwet 1 0 A young policeman is shot to death in the name of Allah.
2016.06.06 Thailand Narathiwat 3 2 Two villagers are shot point blank by Muslim terrorists.
2016.06.06 Iraq Mosul 11 0 Eleven people are executed in front of their families for trying to flee the caliphate.

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/a...aspx?Yr=Last30

If you trace them back you will find they are members of groups that promote Wahhabi. They are a very small percentage of the World's Muslims, They are probably the greatest danger Muslims world wide face.
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Old 06-15-2016, 05:15 PM
 
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If you trace them back you will find they are members of groups that promote Wahhabi. They are a very small percentage of the World's Muslims, They are probably the greatest danger Muslims world wide face.
Hogwash! They may be the currently be the muslim leaders in terrorism (not the only) but in islam terrorist groups come and go rapidly.

Remember Hazara? The maniacs in Iran who were stuffing kids into cinema halls & then burning them alive?
We still have Hamas. Hezbollah. Sipah-e-Muhammad.

And no, these acts of terrorism were not all done by Wahhabi. For example:

2016.06.11 Iraq Sichr 17 0 Seventeen people are allegedly massacred by a Shiite militia.
2016.06.06 Iraq Fallujah 4 0 Four civilians are tortured to death by a Shiite militia.
2016.06.06 Yemen Taiz 8 13 Shiite shells kill eight family members, including three children.
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Old 06-16-2016, 02:39 AM
 
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Hogwash! They may be the currently be the muslim leaders in terrorism (not the only) but in islam terrorist groups come and go rapidly.

Remember Hazara? The maniacs in Iran who were stuffing kids into cinema halls & then burning them alive?
We still have Hamas. Hezbollah. Sipah-e-Muhammad.

And no, these acts of terrorism were not all done by Wahhabi. For example:

2016.06.11 Iraq Sichr 17 0 Seventeen people are allegedly massacred by a Shiite militia.
2016.06.06 Iraq Fallujah 4 0 Four civilians are tortured to death by a Shiite militia.
2016.06.06 Yemen Taiz 8 13 Shiite shells kill eight family members, including three children.
While it is true that not all Muslim terrorist groups have a Wahhabi connection, the majority do.

As for Shi'ite groups I have very little knowledge about Shi'ism. When I lived in Austin on a few occasions I was close to the Shi'a mosque during Salat time so went there for Salat. It was somewhat confusing as they do the Salat different from what I learned, World wide Shi'ite account for only 10-15% of the world's Muslims and over half of them live in Iran and Iraq. The only Shi'ite I know of are in Dearborn, MI and a few in Austin TX. I do not think there are any in the Dakotas or Minnesota.. Although My oldest Daughter is Shi'ite I have little knowledge of her beliefs.
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