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Old 06-14-2016, 04:53 PM
 
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This is from the words of our friend Khalifa
Giving reasons as to why someone did it is not giving justification. There is no justification in killing people unless you are under attack and about to be killed.

The real reason that terrorism is increasing is when Muslims try to explain that such killings are not "Islamic", the Islam haters come out in droves saying that these terrorists are "Islamic", following Islam. When Muslims try to stop such killings by saying that such killings are not "Islamic", The Islam haters try to silence these peaceful Muslims by repeating like parrots that these killers are the real Muslims following Islam. As a result, more terrorists are encouraged by the Islam haters who endorse their actions as "Islamic". This is the number one encouragement for them.

As long as the Islam haters keep telling the terrorists that you are the real Muslim ("Islamic"), it will keep encouraging more terrorists and putting down the peaceful Muslims. The real problem is neither Islam nor peaceful Muslims but the Islam haters who are fueling hate against Islam by claiming that the terrorists are the ones who are following real Islam.

The real disease in fight against terrorism is the Islam haters who try to silence peaceful Muslims.

There would be no end to terrorism as long as peacefull Muslims are silenced by the Islam haters
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Do you think that the media encourage terrorism
He believes that the media is the cause of terrorism
That's why I want to give to the following question to Khalifa
When they was killed and displaced more than a million Christians Armani in the hills of Anatolia--
Turkey
Was the media are to blame?????How to justify these massacres????
That's why I say that free media is an important way to find out the sources of terrorism

 
Old 06-15-2017, 02:23 AM
 
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Anyone who regards killers of peaceful people as "Islamic", is encouraging these killers (terrorists) to keep killing peaceful people.

If anyone wants to argue with me that the terrorists who kill peaceful people of any religion or of no religion are "Islamic", quote a verse from the Qur'aan that tells them to kill peaceful people of any religion or of no religion.

If you can't qualify their action of killing peaceful people with a verse from the Qur'aan that tells them to kill peaceful non-Muslims and peaceful Muslims then they are acting outside the "Islamic" principles. In such a case, they cannot be called "Islamic".

The only way to let the terrorists know that their actions of killing peaceful people is outside the principles of Islam is to call them un-Islamic rather than Islamic.

If you still call them "Islamic" then you are doing nothing but inadvertently encouraging them to carry on in their way. This has been the main reason war on terror hasn't been won since it was declared by GWB and Blair. Those who call them "Islamic" do not understand how the minds of these terrorists work. They thrive on being regarded as "Islamic". They love it and are encouraged by it immensely. And of course they are happy to even die for being known as "Islamic".

The only way to change their thinking, and it is a matter of changing their thinking, is if they realize that they are not "Islamic" in killing peaceful people.
 
Old 06-17-2017, 09:57 AM
 
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They are encouraged by the unbelievers or Western politicians calling them "Islamic".

One thing I have never understood is why would the western politicians say that Islam is religion of peace and then go on to regard killers of innocent people as "Islamic". Do you think that the western politicians think whoever kills peaceful people is "Islamic"?
Well they are certainly Islamic in some sense. Western politicians will say they have "twisted" their religion of peace.

Do you just want people to completely ignore the fact that these are Islamic groups doing things in the name of Islam? (Whether a "twisted" form of it or not.)
 
Old 06-18-2017, 02:52 AM
 
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Well they are certainly Islamic in some sense. Western politicians will say they have "twisted" their religion of peace.
They are certainly not "Islamic" when they kill peaceful people as killing peaceful people is an un-Islamic act. The western politicians need to understand the difference between an Islamic action and an un-Islamic action. Just as not everyone who calls himself a believer is a believer, not everyone who calls himself a Muslim is a Muslim and Islamic.

[2.8] And there are some people who say: We believe in Allah and the last day; and they are not at all believers.

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Do you just want people to completely ignore the fact that these are Islamic groups doing things in the name of Islam? (Whether a "twisted" form of it or not.)
They can't be doing an act in the name of Islam if the act itself is not an Islamic act. What is so difficult for some people to understand this?

Islam is not a label that if you stick on someone's shoulder the person becomes "Islamic". Islam is an action of obeying God. Disobeying God is not an Islamic action but an un-Islamic action.

If someone is to be called "Islamic" when doing a certain action then that person must be doing an Islamic action rather than an un-Islamic action.

Politicians call a certain person "Islamic" even when he is doing an un-Islamic action. This is either through ignorance or simply to highlight that a murderer of peaceful people is Muslim (even if he wasn't acting in the way a Muslim should act).
 
Old 06-18-2017, 02:56 AM
 
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What should "Islamic radicals" or "Islamist terrorists" be called if not Islamic radicals or Islamist terrorists?
 
Old 06-18-2017, 02:13 PM
 
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What should "Islamic radicals" or "Islamist terrorists" be called if not Islamic radicals or Islamist terrorists?
Muslims. They are Muslims who follow different paths. They're path is chosen by the Imam they choose to follow. Most Muslims cannot read with understanding Quranic Arabic which is not the same as spoken Arabic. Everyone is considered a Muslim as they use the word revert instead of convert when one becomes more Islamic in the eyes of their Imam who reinforces it as being the correct path.
 
Old 06-18-2017, 02:29 PM
 
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They are certainly not "Islamic" when they kill peaceful people as killing peaceful people is an un-Islamic act. The western politicians need to understand the difference between an Islamic action and an un-Islamic action. Just as not everyone who calls himself a believer is a believer, not everyone who calls himself a Muslim is a Muslim and Islamic.

[2.8] And there are some people who say: We believe in Allah and the last day; and they are not at all believers.

They can't be doing an act in the name of Islam if the act itself is not an Islamic act. What is so difficult for some people to understand this?

Islam is not a label that if you stick on someone's shoulder the person becomes "Islamic". Islam is an action of obeying God. Disobeying God is not an Islamic action but an un-Islamic action.

If someone is to be called "Islamic" when doing a certain action then that person must be doing an Islamic action rather than an un-Islamic action.

Politicians call a certain person "Islamic" even when he is doing an un-Islamic action. This is either through ignorance or simply to highlight that a murderer of peaceful people is Muslim (even if he wasn't acting in the way a Muslim should act).
You are misdirecting your response in order to fool the person you are responding to. I've read enough of your posts to realize that you consider him as Kafir. The Koran says that the Kafir may be deceived, plotted against, hated, enslaved, mocked, tortured and worse.
 
Old 06-18-2017, 02:35 PM
 
Location: Eretz Yisrael
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This is from the words of our friend Khalifa
Giving reasons as to why someone did it is not giving justification. There is no justification in killing people unless you are under attack and about to be killed.

The real reason that terrorism is increasing is when Muslims try to explain that such killings are not "Islamic", the Islam haters come out in droves saying that these terrorists are "Islamic", following Islam. When Muslims try to stop such killings by saying that such killings are not "Islamic", The Islam haters try to silence these peaceful Muslims by repeating like parrots that these killers are the real Muslims following Islam. As a result, more terrorists are encouraged by the Islam haters who endorse their actions as "Islamic". This is the number one encouragement for them.

As long as the Islam haters keep telling the terrorists that you are the real Muslim ("Islamic"), it will keep encouraging more terrorists and putting down the peaceful Muslims. The real problem is neither Islam nor peaceful Muslims but the Islam haters who are fueling hate against Islam by claiming that the terrorists are the ones who are following real Islam.

The real disease in fight against terrorism is the Islam haters who try to silence peaceful Muslims.

There would be no end to terrorism as long as peacefull Muslims are silenced by the Islam haters
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Do you think that the media encourage terrorism
He believes that the media is the cause of terrorism
That's why I want to give to the following question to Khalifa
When they was killed and displaced more than a million Christians Armani in the hills of Anatolia--
Turkey
Was the media are to blame?????How to justify these massacres????
That's why I say that free media is an important way to find out the sources of terrorism
The media and the west do not understand Islam. So they run around making assumptions. Itís more accurate to say that Islamic theology doesnít provide for assurance of salvation except for being killed during jihad.
 
Old 06-20-2017, 03:02 AM
 
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The media and the west do not understand Islam. So they run around making assumptions.
Correct!

Media coverage has caused a lot of misunderstanding of Islam.

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Itís more accurate to say that Islamic theology doesnít provide for assurance of salvation except for being killed during jihad.
Two points:

(1) Islamic theology does provide assurance of salvation through believing and doing good deeds.

(2) What is commonly understood in the West today (whether politicians or the media) as "jihad" is never a "jihad".

The word "jihad" in the Qur'aan occurs only in 4 verses. None of these verses is related to war, killing or murdering peaceful people of any religion and of no religion. The "jihad" in the Qur'aan is a personal effort in believing and doing good.

The word in the Qur'aan related to effort during a war that is started by the other side is "jahad". It is still not killing any innocent or peaceful person. The assurance of salvation in such a "jahad" is only if the war was imposed by the other side and not by the Muslims, and the Muslim was killed defending himself. There is no assurance of salvation in Islam if the aggression is initiated by a Muslim.
 
Old 06-21-2017, 02:51 AM
 
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Funny that the Muslims got all the way to France fighting in "self defence" then... It seems throughout history Muslims have always been "misunderstanding" their peaceful religion.
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