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Old 06-22-2016, 11:13 PM
 
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to-Continuum
Islamic law does not embrace change
These texts can not be canceled because it is a holy texts

but Caliph Omar Ibn Khattab introduced amendments on this text

Because this text from the Koran in which the lack of treatment of all cases

And offer you the common issue
Called stone issue

If our friend Khalifa wants a copy of the detailed explanation to this verse, I boil even willing to send it to him
And with it the explanation to the stone issue
Note that Omar Ibn Khattab had eaten shortage in this verse
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Old 06-22-2016, 11:56 PM
 
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Offer you a verse

He says, although there was a man inherited Galala or woman who has a brother or sister for every one of them one-sixth the they were more understanding of the partners in the third after payment of legacies bequeathed or religion is not the harmful effects of the commandment of God, and God knows Halimal-nesae: 12].
This verse was revealed in the winter, and intended to: Brothers and sisters of Mother consensus.

He says Astvetonk God Say Aftikm in FATIGUE The Imru perished not having a son and his sister, it may half of what the left he would inherit if not it was born, the were the two they had the two-thirds, leaving even if they are brothers, men and women Vllzkr such as the portion of two females God shows you that deceived and God's knowledge of all things (al-nesa : 176].
And this verse was revealed in the summer, is meant by: Brothers and sisters of the mother is a consensus.

A contradiction
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Old 06-23-2016, 12:26 AM
 
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The rule of reliability in the inheritance system

حكم العول في نظام الميراث
( al-awwel----- was defined as "an increase in the arrows placed shortage of the share of the heirs")

And this is when competing of hypotheses and their copiousness, so take all legacy

The remains of some owners of hypotheses without a share in the inheritance,

When it is forced to increase the issue out to accommodate the legacy of all the owners of hypotheses,

Thus, the income shortfall on each one of the heirs, a

Any sense that the owners of hypotheses share out a compromise or a relative,

This share does not match the fact that the imposition of the owners of of hypotheses in the holy book, not taking his third two-thirds, and the owner took sixth Sdsa and so on.

This evidence from the Koran
In the states of inheritance

And he was not able to calculate all cases

Do you think it is the word of God??????

For this reason Enter the age of the Koran to correct equations
And it provided enough
al-aweel - and a al-kalalii in inheritance
The issue of inheritance in stone
Known reliability as "an increase in the arrows imposed and lack of Onsaba heirs," and this is when competing hypotheses and plentiful, so take all the legacy and keep some of the owners of hypotheses without a share in the inheritance, is forced upon it to increase out of the question to accommodate the legacy of all the owners of hypotheses, and thus enters shortage to every one of the heirs, any sense that the owners of hypotheses out a compromise or a relative share, this share does not match the fact that the imposition of the owners of the assumptions in the holy book, not taking his third two-thirds, and the owner took sixth Sdsa and so on.

Reliability was not located in the Prophet, peace be upon him the time, nor in the time of Abu Bakr, may Allah be pleased with him, where did you get the question of where the dependability, but I got the first time the issue of Omar al-Faruq may Allah be pleased with him.
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Old 06-23-2016, 12:48 AM
 
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A Muslim does not consider that this verse is important to prove that the Koran is not from God
Because if it was God's death, which may not be mis

But there is an error in the calculation

verse inheritance placed to share all heirs
But in( Alaooowol) be exceeded this quota

The first (Alaooowol)

A woman died and left a husband and two sisters two sisters. The pair superimposed half, sisters and sisters-thirds be imposed, has increased of hypotheses on the estate, the pair came to Omar may Allah be pleased with him asked a full share, came the sisters are asking as well as their share in full, Omar said: what you know of the oldest in the tender and shunned? In other words, if the pair first gave superimposed a half shortage share of the sisters, and if given the sisters be imposed per pair deficiency, when it stopped it, and consulted the esteemed companions, recalled him some companions Balaol, bringing the share of the pair after the reliability of three sevenths four-sevenths of the estate and sisters.

Disagree Ibn Khattab

Which stated turns out that reliability is yet to come is not mentioned in the book nor in the year, but it came after the diligence and ask for advice, and with the revision of the verses of inheritance,

With the revision of the verses of inheritance,
How does this happen in the book of Allah????

This legal proof that the Koran is not from God
Please Share this topic even knows it legal
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Old 06-23-2016, 09:28 AM
 
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Hi ----

What is your position now

I made you a useful explanation

And it appeared clear that any inheritance is not complete

That's why human intervention to correct and complete the words of God
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Old 06-23-2016, 10:01 AM
 
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she shall have (half of what he leaves), and he shall be her heir she has no son; but if there be two (sisters), they shall have( two-thirds )of what he leaves;surat -al-nesaa

I explain to you so that you know that I speak right

Quran says in Surah verse 147

If the wife is dead

Shall be her husband her legacy

she have no children or brothers.

Only her husband and her sisters

We apply the word of God in the Koran

And see the mistakes in the account of God
1/2+2/3=1.1

Those who know the math, it should collect one-third plus half

For this division does not match with the words of God

Even equally equation
For this reason the share was changed heirs amendment

And this fall the word of God, who does not know the account this simple question

God of strange
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Old 06-23-2016, 01:18 PM
 
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I do not have much issue with any holy text that is not claimed to be immutable, i.e. perfected and cannot be changed for eternity, when in reality, change is a constant.

The first point that such a Law is immutable is indication that it is not a good universal Law which has no room to adapt to inevitable changes in time.

The above may be fair and optimal for a certain circumstances but the fact that it is made immutable, there is where the weakness it.
In some situation in the older days and perhaps at present, it is the law of the community to give everything [land, house, etc.] to the eldest son so that he can establish and maintain the ancestor land intact and take care of the other siblings where possible. It would not be practical to keep dividing the land equally between all the children.
There are many different inheritance laws that are specific to certain circumstance but they are all open to change and not made immutable.
The problem is while the Law of inheritance in the Quran may have been practical for a certain location and time, it is enforced as immutable for eternity.
I can see that you have used the word immutable 5 times. The inheritance law in the Qur'an is not as immutable as you are trying to make it to be. There is room in it for change. The best person to change it at any time is the person himself/herself and the change is allowed in the law. Therefore, it is certainly not immutable. If person did not want to change the share then s/he had decided that the Qur'anic method is fair at the time. And you are in no position to complain about fairness when you do not even know what fairness is.

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Equality may not be fair in all circumstances. Take the example of two travelers through a jungle, Continuum and Khalif, about to sit down to eat. Continuum had 5 loafs of bread and the Khalif had 3 loafs of bread. A third travelers who had no bread comes and joins the two. All three eat all the bread equally.
Before leaving, the third traveler gives Continuum and Khalif $8 because he did not have any bread. Now, Continuum and Khalif begin to argue about the share of the money. Khalif wants to share $8 equally but Continuum disagrees and wants to keep $5 and give Khalif $3. Which one is right; Continuum or Khalif?
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However if $1 is of significant value, then the rationale should first based on opportunity costs or potential value. If Continuum and Khalif were to sell their bread, Continuum will get $5 and Khalif $3 or in that proportion. In this case, although not equal in amount, it is very rational and fair for Continuum will get $5 and Khalif $3.
And there goes YOUR much proclaimed rationality and fairness completely in tatters! Neither Continuum was right nor Khalif. In an Islamic court, both will be proved wrong.

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The other explanation in that case is;
Why Continuum had 5 loaves is because he has 20 family members to share, i.e. quarter loaf for each family member. Khalif had 3 loaves because has 12 family members. Therefore it would be rational and fair for Continuum to get $5 so that he can buy back 5 Loaves to feed the 19 family members without anyone going hungry. Similar Khalif will get his $3 to buy 3 Loaves to feed his 11 people. It is this not fair?
It may sound fair to you but what do you know about fairness in this case? Who told you that Continuum had 20 family members and Khalif had 12 family members? No family members were mentioned at all. Your "other explanation" is just as dumb and makes no sense at all when, in jungle, both Continuum and Khalif had eaten a lot more than just quarter of a loaf. It is really unfair and irrational of you to think that what the 3 ate in jungle was for 32 members of Continuum and Khalif's families. LOL! That's tenth for each family member to eat of what each Continuum and Khalif ate in jungle. Is that fair on their 30 family members?

The case I mentioned is a real case (except the dollors). It was decided fairly 1400 years ago. In YOUR secular world $5 and $3 share is fair. In Islamic world $7 and $1 would be fair.

Even though you are claiming to be doing a master level project, your rationality and fairness has now been proven to be of below primary level. You have been found out lacking understanding of fairness and rationality.

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A Muslim man dies without a Will. He leaves $20,000,000, a wife, 5 sons and 2 daughters, and no debt. All his children are married. Who gets what according to the law in the Qur'an?

Can you work out how much will each get under the Islamic law and why you think it will be unfair?
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I am not interested in specific situations and rigid immutable laws.
Then don't criticize in haste the laws you are not interested in! You have to be interested in them to understand them.
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Old 06-23-2016, 03:07 PM
 
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to-Khalif
Read the
Evidence enough that God made a mistake in the calculation

Did God not know that the total 1/2+2/3
Is not equal to is an integer

But the justice and equality, it far

Awarded the man two shares

And women and one share

Where is justice ؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟
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Old 06-23-2016, 03:22 PM
 
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to-truth_teller
Hi ----

What is your position now

I made you a useful explanation

And it appeared clear that any inheritance is not complete

That's why human intervention to correct and complete the words of God
this link is in English https://islamqa.info/en/131556
and this link is in Arabic https://islamqa.info/ar/131556
in there you can find the explanations for the laws.
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Old 06-23-2016, 04:48 PM
 
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this link is in English https://islamqa.info/en/131556
and this link is in Arabic https://islamqa.info/ar/131556
in there you can find the explanations for the laws.
I studied Islamic law
And keep the talks on the division of inheritance

But the link on the net
I went to it and it does not provide the answer to my questions submitted to you
this is my questions

We apply the word of God in the Koran

And see the mistakes in the account of God
1/2+2/3=1.1

Those who know the math, it should collect one-third plus half

For this division does not match with the words of God

Even equally equation
For this reason the share was changed heirs amendment

And this fall the word of God, who does not know the account this simple question

God of strange
If this verse from God ought it does not make mistakes in the simple account
Human intervene in correcting the mistakes of God in the Koran!!!!!
This is important
The determination of the arrow in verse and violating diligence
This means Flaw
Is Omar Ibn Khattab was understood more than the Koran Account ?????
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