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Old 06-23-2016, 11:54 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Khalif View Post
I can see that you have used the word immutable 5 times. The inheritance law in the Qur'an is not as immutable as you are trying to make it to be. There is room in it for change. The best person to change it at any time is the person himself/herself and the change is allowed in the law. Therefore, it is certainly not immutable. If person did not want to change the share then s/he had decided that the Qur'anic method is fair at the time. And you are in no position to complain about fairness when you do not even know what fairness is.
If you change the Laws or words of Allah then you are committing blasphemy against Allah.
Since the Quran is claimed to be perfect and complete, there is no room for a Muslim to change or obey anything that is different from what is stated in the Quran.

Those Muslims who are subject non-Muslims [ordinary humans] seculars can still write their wills in accordance to what is stipulated in the Quran. If they don't write a will in accordance to the Quran's rulings then they are subjected to secular Intestacy Laws which if not in line with the Quran is thus a sin. This is why Muslims everywhere are fighting for Shariah Laws to avoid committing sins against Allah.

Do you still insist the Quran is immutable for a Muslim?
What is your answer to this question?

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And there goes YOUR much proclaimed rationality and fairness completely in tatters! Neither Continuum was right nor Khalif. In an Islamic court, both will be proved wrong.
I had already stated the Inheritance rules in the Quran are not based on universal fairness for all human beings.
Therefore the Quranic Inheritance Laws should be abolished to be replaced by Laws that are dynamic [can be changed] and based on universal fair and human rights.

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It may sound fair to you but what do you know about fairness in this case? Who told you that Continuum had 20 family members and Khalif had 12 family members? No family members were mentioned at all. Your "other explanation" is just as dumb and makes no sense at all when, in jungle, both Continuum and Khalif had eaten a lot more than just quarter of a loaf. It is really unfair and irrational of you to think that what the 3 ate in jungle was for 32 members of Continuum and Khalif's families. LOL! That's tenth for each family member to eat of what each Continuum and Khalif ate in jungle. Is that fair on their 30 family members?
What I have stated is based on the various [IFs] scenarios thus the points made are conditioned by those described [IFs] circumstances. Now if the IFs scenario I described is true, don't you thing it is fair?
Is such a circumstance do not exists, then forget about it but in theory it is still fair.

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The case I mentioned is a real case (except the dollors). It was decided fairly 1400 years ago. In YOUR secular world $5 and $3 share is fair. In Islamic world $7 and $1 would be fair.
As I said this is a matter of which IFs you are relying on. In the case of the Islamic version, it is never fair universally.

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Even though you are claiming to be doing a master level project, your rationality and fairness has now been proven to be of below primary level. You have been found out lacking understanding of fairness and rationality.
You are insulting your own intelligence on this view.

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Then don't criticize in haste the laws you are not interested in! You have to be interested in them to understand them.
I am only interested in the universal principles in this case.
There are many controversies relating the details all over the Web and elsewhere.
http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Critical_A...heritance_Laws
If we get into the details it will be a waste of time.
I have no interest in them except it is proven there is no universal fairness in them.
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Old 06-24-2016, 08:10 PM
 
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The following is a contradiction in speech

Islamic faith depends on the absolute truth

In the Koran as the word of God
In shape and character and meaning

Verses of the Koran are the states of the court is not subject to change

The verses of inheritance is a fair distribution of God

For this reason
You must be adhered to in these verses

The Muslims also declare that the Quran is a comprehensive book in which all the science and solutions to land problems

But this claim falls in this verse

And manipulating the words of God is a tacit admission of the failure in the verses cover all issues

That's why I'm entering the ebn -akatab even fit error in this verse

And offer you enter the interview does not recognize of ebn alkatb

She died (a husband, a father, mother), and the legacy of 120 dinars.
The solution, according to the owners of hypotheses marital crowding the whole legacy: the husband half of the estate, or 60 dinars, but the mother a third, the absence of a branch heir, ie 40 dinars, but father and the rest, ie 20 dinars. ** Note here that the mother's share was twice the share of the father and this is something that had not vested in the statutes.
* The solution, according to the share of the owners of hypotheses which remained after giving marital share: the husband half of the estate of any of 60 dinars, the absence of a branch heir, but the mother a third of what remained after giving the pair share a 20 dinars, but father and the rest of the League, that is 40 dinars. ** But the solution Under this method, we see that the father's share was twice the share of the mother, which is typical in the statutes.

It offers a new way
Do you still believe that the Quran is the word of God??????
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Old 06-24-2016, 08:14 PM
 
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It offers a new way
Do you still believe that the Quran is the word of God

Note here that the mother's share was twice the share of the father and this is something that had not vested in the statutes.
Usual in the statutes
Is the preference of men over women, not justice
He died (wife, father, mother), and the legacy of 120 dinars.
The solution, according to the owners of hypotheses crowding marital estate on the whole: the fourth wife of the estate, ie 30 dinars, but the mother a third, the absence of a branch heir, ie 40 dinars, but father and the rest, ie 50 dinars. ** I did not get this way that the father's share has become the weakness of the mother share as required by the statutes, laws.
* The solution, according to the share of the owners of hypotheses which remained after giving marital share: the wife a quarter of the estate, or 30 dinars, for lack of a branch heir, but the mother a third of what remained after giving the wife's share, or 30 dinars, but father and the rest of the League, or 60 dinars. ** The solution Under this method, we see that the father's share was also the weakness of the mother's share, which is typical in the statutes.
* According to this solution spent faithful Omar bin al-Khattab may Allah be pleased with him these two issues, Vsmata so Balamreeten.
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Old 06-24-2016, 08:28 PM
 
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....So we find that the shortfall affects the shares of all of the heirs, and thus justice is served and the problem mentioned by this atheist is solved.
We would like to take this opportunity to call this person to check himself and... https://islamqa.info/en/131556
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Old 06-24-2016, 11:27 PM
 
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....So we find that the shortfall affects the shares of all of the heirs, and thus justice is served and the problem mentioned by this atheist is solved.
We would like to take this opportunity to call this person to check himself and... https://islamqa.info/en/131556
Known al-aweel العول في الميراث as "an increase in the arrows imposed and lack of Onsaba heirs," and this is when competing hypotheses and plentiful, so take all the legacy and keep some of the owners of hypotheses without a share in the inheritance, is forced upon it to increase out of the question to accommodate the legacy of all the owners of hypotheses, and thus enters shortage to every one of the heirs, any sense that the owners of hypotheses out a compromise or a relative share, this share does not match the fact that the imposition of the owners of the assumptions in the holy book, not taking his third two-thirds, and the owner took sixth Sdsa and so on.
This is the word of the Caliph Omar Ibn Khattab

I understand your religion
I offer you a summary of understanding to Dink
Check and use your mind
See Verses

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Old 06-24-2016, 11:45 PM
 
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....So we find that the shortfall affects the shares of all of the heirs, and thus justice is served and the problem mentioned by this atheist is solved.
We would like to take this opportunity to call this person to check himself and... https://islamqa.info/en/131556
Roman law
it He knew this direction
Koran quote some of them, but he said it was from God
It is the readers of the history of laws
Known as the Code of Justinian
Issued several years before Muhammad
But the evolution of Roman law because he did not hang himself in God
Because the laws of human industry
I sent you questions
You and Hakhk say that the Koran is the word of God hard
He knows everything
Is it permissible to change these laws
Did God not know the account and where mistakes

This is important in this dialogue

That uses your mind
Ttokl not on the mind of Hyuhk

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Old 05-05-2017, 12:08 AM
 
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Islam is much more than a religion; It's a way of living. Islam is the guidance of God to guide us through life, and if God wants in life after this. For this reason, God guides us through the process of death and dying. Death comes to each of us; But there are things we can do to facilitate our Vorbeige for those we remain. One of these things is to make sure we leave a fresh Islamic will. Islam has attached great importance to the laws of inheritance and will.
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Old 05-05-2017, 12:44 AM
 
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Islam is much more than a religion; It's a way of living. Islam is the guidance of God to guide us through life, and if God wants in life after this. For this reason, God guides us through the process of death and dying. Death comes to each of us; But there are things we can do to facilitate our Vorbeige for those we remain. One of these things is to make sure we leave a fresh Islamic will. Islam has attached great importance to the laws of inheritance and will.
But the law of inheritance in Islam is not fair
Because the male share is twice that of the female
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Old 05-05-2017, 01:25 AM
 
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But the law of inheritance in Islam is not fair
Because the male share is twice that of the female
It is fair but you can't understand it. It takes into account circumstances and the needs of both the male and the female.

Basically, Islamic inheritance law and reasons behind it are too complicated for people like you who think in a literal "half" and "double" manner. To understand it to a certain extent, you need to understand that there are lots of things in Islam that are not fair in your mind either on male or the female. For example, female gets haq mahr but male does not get it. Is that fair on male?

Further, in Islam, only male has to work and provide for the female. Female does not have to work even though she is not forbidden from working. If you do nit-picking, you will complain about Islam being unfair on husband (male).

If you want to discuss Islam, you need to understand Islam first.
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Old 05-07-2017, 10:49 PM
 
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It is fair but you can't understand it. It takes into account circumstances and the needs of both the male and the female.

Basically, Islamic inheritance law and reasons behind it are too complicated for people like you who think in a literal "half" and "double" manner. To understand it to a certain extent, you need to understand that there are lots of things in Islam that are not fair in your mind either on male or the female. For example, female gets haq mahr but male does not get it. Is that fair on male?

Further, in Islam, only male has to work and provide for the female. Female does not have to work even though she is not forbidden from working. If you do nit-picking, you will complain about Islam being unfair on husband (male).

If you want to discuss Islam, you need to understand Islam first.
Dear friend
If you want I will send you inheritance lectures which I studied
It is in Arabic
Just send me your address
I sent you a copy of those lectures
You have not studied the law of Islamic inheritance
But I studied that law and succeeded in it
The male has twice the share of the female in inheritance
Why this distinction between them
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