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Old 06-26-2016, 02:06 AM
 
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14:4. [part] And We [Allah] never sent a messenger save [except] with the language of his folk, that he might make (the message) clear for them.
Note Allah's use of the emphatic term "NEVER" in 14:4.
The above imply that Allah send the Quran in Arabic specifically to only the Qureshi people or those who only know Qureshi Arabic during Muhammad's time.

Then how can Muslims justified why the Quran had been forced upon others where Qureshi Arabic is not a language of their own or do not understand Qureshi Arabic or the translation of the Quran into other non-Arabic language?

Does it mean those who had forced the Quran unto people who own language is not Qureshi Arabic has gone against Allah's words?
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Old 06-26-2016, 03:33 AM
 
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14:4. [part] And We [Allah] never sent a messenger save [except] with the language of his folk, that he might make (the message) clear for them.
Note Allah's use of the emphatic term "NEVER" in 14:4.
The above imply that Allah send the Quran in Arabic specifically to only the Qureshi people or those who only know Qureshi Arabic during Muhammad's time.

Then how can Muslims justified why the Quran had been forced upon others where Qureshi Arabic is not a language of their own or do not understand Qureshi Arabic or the translation of the Quran into other non-Arabic language?

Does it mean those who had forced the Quran unto people who own language is not Qureshi Arabic has gone against Allah's words?
That is a very narrow way of looking at it. The bigger picture is Muhammad was an Arab and to begin delivering the Message from Allah, he had to begin delivering to people around him first. Therefore the Message had to be in Arabic if he was to begin with the people around him who could understand only Arabic. This does not mean that the Message was only for the Quraishi Arabs.

To understand the Message of the Qur'an, one must understand ALL the verses of the Qur'an on the same topic. Only then the picture becomes clear. It is studying the Qur'an that is more important to understand it rather than just reading it 50+ times.

The 26th Surah of the Qur'an explains stories of the messengers sent to various people before Muhammad but many of them still did not believe them. Can you think of the consequence if a foreigner had been sent to them to deliver the message from Allah? Many more would not have believed him. That is the real point being made in 14:4 rather than that it was only for the Quraish.

[26.190] Most surely there is a sign in this, but most of them do not believe.
[26.191] And most surely your Lord is Mighty, the Merciful.
[26.192] And most surely this is a revelation from the Lord of the worlds.
[26.193] The Faithful Spirit has descended with it,
[26.194] Upon your heart that you may be of the warners
[26.195] In plain Arabic language.
[26.196] And most surely the same is in the scriptures of the ancients.
[26.197] Is it not a sign to them that the learned men of the Israelites know it?
[26.198] And if we had revealed it to any of the foreigners
[26.199] So that he should have recited it to them, they would not have believed therein.
[26.200] Thus have We caused it to enter into the hearts of the guilty.


Further:

[4.79] Whatever benefit comes to you (O people!), it is from Allah, and whatever evil (misfortune) befalls you, it is from your Self, and We have sent you to mankind as a messenger; and Allah is sufficient as a witness.

[21.107] And We have hot sent you but as a mercy to the worlds.


The message of the Qur'an has been a mercy for me. I am so grateful to Allah (SWT) for this mercy.
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Old 06-26-2016, 09:39 PM
 
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That is a very narrow way of looking at it. The bigger picture is Muhammad was an Arab and to begin delivering the Message from Allah, he had to begin delivering to people around him first. Therefore the Message had to be in Arabic if he was to begin with the people around him who could understand only Arabic. This does not mean that the Message was only for the Quraishi Arabs.
It is not a matter of "narrow" in this case. It is a matter of being more specific to the point as what Allah had intended.

It is obvious Muhammad who was supposedly illiterate had to converse/speak in his own Quraishi Arabic. Did you think he could speak German but chose/force to speak Quraishi Arabic as commanded by Allah?

Note 14:4 is very specific in using the emphasis "NEVER" except a messenger in his own language.
Allah stated emphatically Allah "NEVER" sent any messenger of another language except a messenger in his own language.

Why?
The reason for this critical and imperative "own language" requirement is "he might make (the message) clear for them."

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To understand the Message of the Qur'an, one must understand ALL the verses of the Qur'an on the same topic. Only then the picture becomes clear. It is studying the Qur'an that is more important to understand it rather than just reading it 50+ times.
Yes we need to understand ALL verses related to the same topic. But you are not doing what you are proposing as indicated below.

Note my reading of the Quran more than 50 times with very deep critical thinking, analysis and reflection do enhance the credibility of my views which are rational and not based on faith [blind and otherwise].

It is not merely my credible understanding of the Quran but I make it a point to understand how others [Muslims, etc.] understood the Quran from their own perspectives. It is fact a Muslim MUST have a bias understanding of the Quran otherwise his faith [based on no proofs] will not work for his salvation.

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The 26th Surah of the Qur'an explains stories of the messengers sent to various people before Muhammad but many of them still did not believe them. Can you think of the consequence if a foreigner had been sent to them to deliver the message from Allah? Many more would not have believed him. That is the real point being made in 14:4 rather than that it was only for the Quraish.

[26.190] Most surely there is a sign in this, but most of them do not believe.
[26.191] And most surely your Lord is Mighty, the Merciful.
[26.192] And most surely this is a revelation from the Lord of the worlds.
[26.193] The Faithful Spirit has descended with it,
[26.194] Upon your heart that you may be of the warners
[26.195] In plain Arabic language.
[26.196] And most surely the same is in the scriptures of the ancients.
[26.197] Is it not a sign to them that the learned men of the Israelites know it?
[26.198] And if we had revealed it to any of the foreigners
[26.199] So that he should have recited it to them, they would not have believed therein.
[26.200] Thus have We caused it to enter into the hearts of the guilty.


Further:

[4.79] Whatever benefit comes to you (O people!), it is from Allah, and whatever evil (misfortune) befalls you, it is from your Self, and We have sent you to mankind as a messenger; and Allah is sufficient as a witness.

[21.107] And We have hot sent you but as a mercy to the worlds.


The message of the Qur'an has been a mercy for me. I am so grateful to Allah (SWT) for this mercy.
Your Chapter 26 verses is not specifically relevant to support your counter point. Actually those verses support my point why Allah NEVER reveal his revelation EXCEPT through messengers of their own language.

Here are the related verses to support 14:4; in [] mine

Why a messenger in their own language?
12:2 Lo! We have revealed it, a Lecture in Arabic, that ye may understand.

13:37 Thus have We revealed it, a decisive utterance in Arabic; and if thou shouldst follow their desires after that which hath come unto thee of knowledge, then truly wouldst thou have from Allah no protecting friend nor defender.

20:113 Thus we have revealed it as a Lecture in Arabic, and have displayed therein certain threats, that peradventure they may keep from evil or that it may cause them to take heed.

26:195 In plain Arabic speech.

39:28 A Lecture in Arabic, containing no crookedness, that haply they may ward off (evil).

41:3 A Scripture whereof the verses are expounded, a Lecture in Arabic for people who have knowledge,

42:7 And thus We have inspired in thee a Lecture in Arabic, that thou mayst warn the mother-town and those around it, and mayst warn of a day of assembling whereof there is no doubt. A host will be in the Garden, and a host of them in the Flame.

43:3 Lo! We have appointed it a Lecture, in Arabic that haply ye may understand.

46:12 When before it there was the Scripture of Moses [of his own language], an example and a mercy; and this [Quran in Arabic] is a confirming Scripture in the Arabic language, that it may warn those who do wrong and bring good tidings for the righteous.
There are other verses in the Quran which support 14:4.

Therefore it is very clear in 14:4 the Quran recited by Muhammad was specifically for the Quraishi in Mecca and surrounding towns who speak the specific Arabic spoken by Muhammad.

Thus it is against Allah's words to spread the Quran to other foreign lands where Quraishi Arabic is not the mother tongue.

You may have felt the message of the Quran was beneficial* to you but it is definitely against 14:4 and Allah's total intention behind it which only Allah knows.

* note, anyone can feel good about anything which can be good or evil depending on one's inclinations. So feeling good about something do not prove it is good-in-itself. The fact that the message of the Quran influenced and inspired SOME Muslims who are born with evil tendencies to commit evil and violence is an indication there is some thing wrong within it.
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