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Old 07-03-2016, 10:33 AM
 
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My inner journey taught me this about Islam:

Terrorism:

Quran 3:151 We will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve for what they have associated with Allah of which He had not sent down [any] authority. And their refuge will be the Fire, and wretched is the residence of the wrongdoers.

Quran 8:12 Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them."

Quran 8:60 And prepare against them whatever you are able of power and of steeds of war by which you may terrify the enemy of Allah and your enemy and others besides them whom you do not know [but] whom Allah knows. And whatever you spend in the cause of Allah will be fully repaid to you, and you will not be wronged.

Quran 27:87 And on the day when the trumpet shall be blown, then those who are in the heavens and those who are in the earth shall be terrified except such as Allah please, and all shall come to him abased.

Quran 33:26 And those of the people of the Scripture who backed them (the disbelievers) Allah brought them down from their forts and cast terror into their hearts, (so that) a group (of them) you killed, and a group (of them) you made captives.

Quran 34:51 If thou couldst but see when they will quake with terror; but then there will be no escape (for them), and they will be seized from a position (quite) near.

Quran 59:13 Of a truth ye are stronger (than they) because of the terror in their hearts, (sent) by Allah. This is because they are men devoid of understanding.

Torture

Quran 8:50 And if you could see when the angels take away the souls of those who disbelieve (at death), they smite their faces and their backs, (saying): "Taste the punishment of the blazing Fire."

Quran 4:38 Cut off (from the wrist joint) the (right) hand of the thief, male or female, as a recompense for that which they committed, a punishment by way of example from Allah. And Allah is All-Powerful, All-Wise.

Quran 4:56 Those who reject our Signs, We shall soon cast into the Fire: as often as their skins are roasted through, We shall change them for fresh skins, that they may taste the penalty: for Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise.

Quran 79:25 Then Allah took him (away) with the torture of the Hereafter and the First (life).

The Apostle of Allah sent a military expedition to Awtas on the occasion of the battle of Hunain. They met their enemy and fought with them. They defeated them and took them captives.
Some of the Companions of the Apostle of Allah were reluctant to have intercourse with the female captives in the presence of their husbands who were unbelievers. So Allah, the Exalted, sent down the Qur’anic verse: (Sura 4:24) "And all married women (are forbidden) unto you save those (captives) whom your right hands possess." (Abu Dawud 2150, also Muslim 3433) (I think mass rape of women and girls after slaughtering their husbands, fathers and sons is torture, don't you??)

Quran 8:12 Remember] when your Lord inspired to the angels, "I am with you, so strengthen those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved, so strike [them] upon the necks and strike from them every fingertip."

Quran (24:2) The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication,- flog each of them with a hundred stripes: Let not compassion move you.

Quran 22:19-22 "These twain (the believers and the disbelievers) are two opponents who contend concerning their Lord. But as for those who disbelieve, garments of fire will be cut out for them; boiling fluid will be poured down on their heads. Whereby that which is in their bellies, and their skins too, will be melted; And for them are hooked rods of iron. Whenever, in their anguish, they would go forth from thence they are driven back therein and (it is said unto them): Taste the doom of burning."

Muslim (16:4131) - They were caught and brought to him (the Holy Prophet). He commanded about them, and (thus) their hands and feet were cut off and their eyes were gouged and then they were thrown in the sun, until they died.

Ibn Ishaq 764 - After amassing a powerful army, Muhammad sent his forces to take the peaceful farming community of Khaybar by surprise. In the aftermath, he was dissatisfied with the amount of plunder and felt that the town’s treasurer, Kinana, might be holding out on him. He had the man brought to him:
When he [Muhammad] asked him about the rest he refused to produce it, so the apostle gave orders to al-Zubayr bin al-Awwam, “Torture him until you extract what he has.” So he kindled a fire with flint and steel on his chest until he was nearly dead. Then the apostle delivered him to Muhammad bin Maslama and he struck off his head.”

Rape:

The Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) sent a military expedition to Awtas on the occasion of the battle of Hunain. They met their enemy and fought with them. They defeated them and took them captives.
Some of the Companions of the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) were reluctant to have intercourse with the female captives in the presence of their husbands who were unbelievers. So Allah, the Exalted, sent down the Qur’anic verse: (Sura 4:24) "And all married women (are forbidden) unto you save those (captives) whom your right hands possess." (Abu Dawud 2150, also Muslim 3433)

Allah seemed to like to watch mass rape.

"O Allah's Apostle! We get female captives as our share of booty, and we are interested in their prices, what is your opinion about coitus interruptus?" The Prophet said, "Do you really do that? It is better for you not to do coitus interruptus. A soul that which Allah has destined to exist will surely come into existence.” (Bukhari 34:432)

"We went out with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) on the expedition to the Bi'l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing 'azl (Withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of semen to avoid-conception). But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah's Messenger is amongst us; why not ask him? So we asked Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him), and he said: It does not matter" (Sahih Muslim 3371)

Narrated Hisham's father:
Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married 'Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consumed that marriage when she was nine years old. (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 58, Number 236)

Narrated 'Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death). (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64; see also Numbers 65 and 88)

I don't think 4th grade girls want 53 year old men to have sex with them. Would you agree?

Slavery

There came a slave and pledged allegiance to Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) on migration; he (the Holy Prophet) did not know that he was a slave. Then there came his master and demanded him back, whereupon Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) said: Sell him to me. And he bought him for two black slaves, and he did not afterwards take allegiance from anyone until he had asked him whether he was a slave (or a free man) (Sahih Muslim 3901).

The apostle gave Ali a girl called Rayta; and he gave Uthman a girl called Zaynab; and he gave Umar a girl whom Umar gave to his son Abdullah. (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 878) Human party favors!!

“Prophet, We have made lawful to you the wives to whom you have granted dowries and the slave girls whom God has given you as booty.” (Qur’an 33:50)

“Narrated Anas bin Malik: Allah’s Apostle was on a journey and he had a black slave called Anjasha, and he was driving the camels (very fast, and there were women riding on those camels). Allah’s Apostle said, ‘Waihaka (May Allah be merciful to you), O Anjasha! Drive slowly (the camels) with the glass vessels (women)!'” (Bukhari 8.73.182) There is no mention of Muhammad’s freeing Anjasha.

BUKHARI Vol. 3-#765
Narrated Kuraib: the freed slave of Ibn 'Abbas, that Maimuna bint Al-Harith told him that she manumitted a slave-girl without taking the permission of the Prophet. On the day when it was her turn to be with the Prophet, she said, "Do you know, O Allah's Apostle, that I have manumitted my slave-girl?" He said, "Have you really?" She replied in the affirmative. He said, "You would have got more reward if you had given her (i.e. the slave-girl) to one of your maternal uncles."

Hate

Quran 2:65 And ye know of those of you who broke the Sabbath, how We said unto them: Be ye apes, despised and hated!

Quran 7:166 Therefore when they revoltingly persisted in what they had been forbidden, We said to them: Be (as) apes, despised and hated.

Quran 28:42 in this world We made a curse to follow them and on the Day of Judgment they will be among the loathed (and despised).

Qur’an 8:55 Surely the vilest of animals in Allah’s sight are those who disbelieve.

Of course this is just a sample.
Copy and paste from Islam hate sites again and again! It is your full-time job now. How many times you have repeated the same thing? This is your inner journey into spewing hate against ALL Muslims and Islam. No wonder the politicians are unable to eliminate terrorism! People like you are fueling the terrorism every day.
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Old 07-03-2016, 10:53 AM
 
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Copy and paste from Islam hate sites again and again! It is your full-time job now. How many times you have repeated the same thing? This is your inner journey into spewing hate against ALL Muslims and Islam. No wonder the politicians are unable to eliminate terrorism! People like you are fueling the terrorism every day.
Logical answer is the right
The answer here is not logical
Here is all written books of Muslims
So terrorism is inherent in these books
Because they are the teachings and guidance
Learn from hatred and resentment
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Old 07-03-2016, 11:00 AM
 
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Copy and paste from Islam hate sites again and again! It is your full-time job now. How many times you have repeated the same thing? This is your inner journey into spewing hate against ALL Muslims and Islam. No wonder the politicians are unable to eliminate terrorism! People like you are fueling the terrorism every day.
ROFL!! OK, you claim that the popular website that is the English translation of the Quran is an "Islam hate site"!!!! Too funny!! Now devout Muslims are creating hate sites against Islam by posting the Quran! Well, I guess it is pretty hateful!!

Terrorism:

Quran 3:151 We will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve for what they have associated with Allah of which He had not sent down [any] authority. And their refuge will be the Fire, and wretched is the residence of the wrongdoers.

Surat 'Ali `Imran [3:151] - The Noble Qur'an - ?????? ??????

Quran 8:12 Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them."

Surat Al-'Anfal [8:12] - The Noble Qur'an - ?????? ??????

Quran 8:60 And prepare against them whatever you are able of power and of steeds of war by which you may terrify the enemy of Allah and your enemy and others besides them whom you do not know [but] whom Allah knows. And whatever you spend in the cause of Allah will be fully repaid to you, and you will not be wronged.

Surat Al-'Anfal [8:60] - The Noble Qur'an - ?????? ??????

Quran 27:87 And on the day when the trumpet shall be blown, then those who are in the heavens and those who are in the earth shall be terrified except such as Allah please, and all shall come to him abased.

Surat An-Naml [27:87] - The Noble Qur'an - ?????? ??????

Quran 33:26 And those of the people of the Scripture who backed them (the disbelievers) Allah brought them down from their forts and cast terror into their hearts, (so that) a group (of them) you killed, and a group (of them) you made captives.

Surat Al-'Ahzab [33:26] - The Noble Qur'an - ?????? ??????

Quran 34:51 If thou couldst but see when they will quake with terror; but then there will be no escape (for them), and they will be seized from a position (quite) near.

Surat Saba' [34:51] - The Noble Qur'an - ?????? ??????

Quran 59:13 Of a truth ye are stronger (than they) because of the terror in their hearts, (sent) by Allah. This is because they are men devoid of understanding.

Surat Al-Hashr [59:13] - The Noble Qur'an - ?????? ??????

Torture

Quran 8:50 And if you could see when the angels take away the souls of those who disbelieve (at death), they smite their faces and their backs, (saying): "Taste the punishment of the blazing Fire."

Surat Al-'Anfal [8:50] - The Noble Qur'an - ?????? ??????

Quran 5:38 Cut off (from the wrist joint) the (right) hand of the thief, male or female, as a recompense for that which they committed, a punishment by way of example from Allah. And Allah is All-Powerful, All-Wise.

Surat Al-Ma'idah [5:38] - The Noble Qur'an - ?????? ??????

Quran 4:56 Those who reject our Signs, We shall soon cast into the Fire: as often as their skins are roasted through, We shall change them for fresh skins, that they may taste the penalty: for Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise.

Surat An-Nisa' [4:56] - The Noble Qur'an - ?????? ?????? (I'll let you look up the rest)

Quran 79:25 Then Allah took him (away) with the torture of the Hereafter and the First (life).

The Apostle of Allah sent a military expedition to Awtas on the occasion of the battle of Hunain. They met their enemy and fought with them. They defeated them and took them captives.
Some of the Companions of the Apostle of Allah were reluctant to have intercourse with the female captives in the presence of their husbands who were unbelievers. So Allah, the Exalted, sent down the Qur’anic verse: (Sura 4:24) "And all married women (are forbidden) unto you save those (captives) whom your right hands possess." (Abu Dawud 2150, also Muslim 3433) (I think mass rape of women and girls after slaughtering their husbands, fathers and sons is torture, don't you??)

Quran 8:12 Remember] when your Lord inspired to the angels, "I am with you, so strengthen those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved, so strike [them] upon the necks and strike from them every fingertip."

Quran (24:2) The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication,- flog each of them with a hundred stripes: Let not compassion move you.

Quran 22:19-22 "These twain (the believers and the disbelievers) are two opponents who contend concerning their Lord. But as for those who disbelieve, garments of fire will be cut out for them; boiling fluid will be poured down on their heads. Whereby that which is in their bellies, and their skins too, will be melted; And for them are hooked rods of iron. Whenever, in their anguish, they would go forth from thence they are driven back therein and (it is said unto them): Taste the doom of burning."

Muslim (16:4131) - They were caught and brought to him (the Holy Prophet). He commanded about them, and (thus) their hands and feet were cut off and their eyes were gouged and then they were thrown in the sun, until they died.

Ibn Ishaq 764 - After amassing a powerful army, Muhammad sent his forces to take the peaceful farming community of Khaybar by surprise. In the aftermath, he was dissatisfied with the amount of plunder and felt that the town’s treasurer, Kinana, might be holding out on him. He had the man brought to him:
When he [Muhammad] asked him about the rest he refused to produce it, so the apostle gave orders to al-Zubayr bin al-Awwam, “Torture him until you extract what he has.” So he kindled a fire with flint and steel on his chest until he was nearly dead. Then the apostle delivered him to Muhammad bin Maslama and he struck off his head.”

Rape:

The Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) sent a military expedition to Awtas on the occasion of the battle of Hunain. They met their enemy and fought with them. They defeated them and took them captives.
Some of the Companions of the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) were reluctant to have intercourse with the female captives in the presence of their husbands who were unbelievers. So Allah, the Exalted, sent down the Qur’anic verse: (Sura 4:24) "And all married women (are forbidden) unto you save those (captives) whom your right hands possess." (Abu Dawud 2150, also Muslim 3433)

Allah seemed to like to watch mass rape.

"O Allah's Apostle! We get female captives as our share of booty, and we are interested in their prices, what is your opinion about coitus interruptus?" The Prophet said, "Do you really do that? It is better for you not to do coitus interruptus. A soul that which Allah has destined to exist will surely come into existence.” (Bukhari 34:432)

"We went out with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) on the expedition to the Bi'l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing 'azl (Withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of semen to avoid-conception). But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah's Messenger is amongst us; why not ask him? So we asked Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him), and he said: It does not matter" (Sahih Muslim 3371)

Narrated Hisham's father:
Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married 'Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consumed that marriage when she was nine years old. (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 58, Number 236)

Narrated 'Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death). (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64; see also Numbers 65 and 88)

I don't think 4th grade girls want 53 year old men to have sex with them. Would you agree?

Slavery

There came a slave and pledged allegiance to Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) on migration; he (the Holy Prophet) did not know that he was a slave. Then there came his master and demanded him back, whereupon Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) said: Sell him to me. And he bought him for two black slaves, and he did not afterwards take allegiance from anyone until he had asked him whether he was a slave (or a free man) (Sahih Muslim 3901).

The apostle gave Ali a girl called Rayta; and he gave Uthman a girl called Zaynab; and he gave Umar a girl whom Umar gave to his son Abdullah. (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 878) Human party favors!!

“Prophet, We have made lawful to you the wives to whom you have granted dowries and the slave girls whom God has given you as booty.” (Qur’an 33:50)

“Narrated Anas bin Malik: Allah’s Apostle was on a journey and he had a black slave called Anjasha, and he was driving the camels (very fast, and there were women riding on those camels). Allah’s Apostle said, ‘Waihaka (May Allah be merciful to you), O Anjasha! Drive slowly (the camels) with the glass vessels (women)!'” (Bukhari 8.73.182) There is no mention of Muhammad’s freeing Anjasha.

BUKHARI Vol. 3-#765
Narrated Kuraib: the freed slave of Ibn 'Abbas, that Maimuna bint Al-Harith told him that she manumitted a slave-girl without taking the permission of the Prophet. On the day when it was her turn to be with the Prophet, she said, "Do you know, O Allah's Apostle, that I have manumitted my slave-girl?" He said, "Have you really?" She replied in the affirmative. He said, "You would have got more reward if you had given her (i.e. the slave-girl) to one of your maternal uncles."

Hate

Quran 2:65 And ye know of those of you who broke the Sabbath, how We said unto them: Be ye apes, despised and hated!

Quran 7:166 Therefore when they revoltingly persisted in what they had been forbidden, We said to them: Be (as) apes, despised and hated.

Quran 28:42 in this world We made a curse to follow them and on the Day of Judgment they will be among the loathed (and despised).

Qur’an 8:55 Surely the vilest of animals in Allah’s sight are those who disbelieve.

Of course this is just a sample.
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Old 07-03-2016, 11:29 AM
 
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If you were not Islam hater but terrorism hater, you would also complain about the terror of God in the Bible and not just in the Qur'an:

Genesis 35:5
Then they set out, and the terror of God fell on the towns all around them so that no one pursued them.

Exodus 23:27
I will send my terror ahead of you and throw into confusion every nation you encounter. I will make all your enemies turn their backs and run.

Deuteronomy 2:25
This very day I will begin to put the terror and fear of you on all the nations under heaven. They will hear reports of you and will tremble and be in anguish because of you.

Deuteronomy 11:25
No one will be able to stand against you. The Lord your God, as he promised you, will put the terror and fear of you on the whole land, wherever you go.

Deuteronomy 26:8
So the Lord brought us out of Egypt with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm, with great terror and with signs and wonders.

Deuteronomy 28:67
In the morning you will say, “If only it were evening!” and in the evening, “If only it were morning!”—because of the terror that will fill your hearts and the sights that your eyes will see.

Deuteronomy 32:25
In the street the sword will make them childless; in their homes terror will reign. The young men and young women will perish, the infants and those with grey hair.

Job 9:34
Someone to remove God’s rod from me, so that his terror would frighten me no more.

Psalm 9:20
Strike them with terror, Lord; let the nations know they are only mortal.

Psalm 88:16
Your wrath has swept over me; your terrors have destroyed me.

Isaiah 13:8 Terror will seize them, pain and anguish will grip them; they will writhe like a woman in labor. They will look aghast at each other, their faces aflame.

Isaiah 19:17 And the land of Judah will bring terror to the Egyptians; everyone to whom Judah is mentioned will be terrified, because of what the Lord Almighty is planning against them.

Isaiah 24:17 Terror and pit and snare await you, people of the earth.

Jeremiah 50:36 A sword against her false prophets! They will become fools. A sword against her warriors! They will be filled with terror.

Ezekiel 7:25
When terror comes, they will seek peace in vain.

Ezekiel 23:46
This is what the Sovereign Lord says: Bring a mob against them and give them over to terror and plunder.

Luke 21:26
People will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken.

But of course the hate is spewed by you only against Islam and Muslims!
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Old 07-03-2016, 01:27 PM
 
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If you were not Islam hater but terrorism hater, you would also complain about the terror of God in the Bible and not just in the Qur'an:

Genesis 35:5
Then they set out, and the terror of God fell on the towns all around them so that no one pursued them.

Exodus 23:27
I will send my terror ahead of you and throw into confusion every nation you encounter. I will make all your enemies turn their backs and run.

Deuteronomy 2:25
This very day I will begin to put the terror and fear of you on all the nations under heaven. They will hear reports of you and will tremble and be in anguish because of you.

Deuteronomy 11:25
No one will be able to stand against you. The Lord your God, as he promised you, will put the terror and fear of you on the whole land, wherever you go.

Deuteronomy 26:8
So the Lord brought us out of Egypt with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm, with great terror and with signs and wonders.

Deuteronomy 28:67
In the morning you will say, “If only it were evening!” and in the evening, “If only it were morning!”—because of the terror that will fill your hearts and the sights that your eyes will see.

Deuteronomy 32:25
In the street the sword will make them childless; in their homes terror will reign. The young men and young women will perish, the infants and those with grey hair.

Job 9:34
Someone to remove God’s rod from me, so that his terror would frighten me no more.

Psalm 9:20
Strike them with terror, Lord; let the nations know they are only mortal.

Psalm 88:16
Your wrath has swept over me; your terrors have destroyed me.

Isaiah 13:8 Terror will seize them, pain and anguish will grip them; they will writhe like a woman in labor. They will look aghast at each other, their faces aflame.

Isaiah 19:17 And the land of Judah will bring terror to the Egyptians; everyone to whom Judah is mentioned will be terrified, because of what the Lord Almighty is planning against them.

Isaiah 24:17 Terror and pit and snare await you, people of the earth.

Jeremiah 50:36 A sword against her false prophets! They will become fools. A sword against her warriors! They will be filled with terror.

Ezekiel 7:25
When terror comes, they will seek peace in vain.

Ezekiel 23:46
This is what the Sovereign Lord says: Bring a mob against them and give them over to terror and plunder.

Luke 21:26
People will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken.

But of course the hate is spewed by you only against Islam and Muslims!
Good grief!! What is the name of this forum? Do you really think I should go after Christianity on an Islamic discussion group?? The moderators would love that!

You are showing your true colors. I nailed you and all you can do is come up with some pathetic fallacy!

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/tu-quoque

So now that I taught you what the quran says, and showed you it was not a hate site.....are you horrified? Sickened? Appalled at the hate and terrorism and other evils spewed in the quran (which you thought came from a HATE site!!!!!!!!)?? Nope. You just cook up some dishonest way to try to attack me.

Shame on you!

And let me make this clear. I am against ANY terrorism no matter who does it. Christians doing terrorism, raping children, whatever...they are evil! I have said this on here several times....I don't care who does the evil....muhammed, you, a priest, my brother, Brad Pitt....NO MATTER WHO DOES EVIL, THEY ARE EVIL. What you do is make excuses for evil and follow an ideology that promotes evil.

You thought quotes from the quran on an islamic website was an anti-islamic hate site. Just think about that.
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Old 07-03-2016, 04:39 PM
 
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I'm not really into the terrorism discussion. That has many prongs to it - cultural, religious, colonialism. My point was to learn about whether there was a historical person. In regards to patriarchs and Jesus, their existence plays no part in the Prophets existence. He could have just claimed the mythology from earlier traditions.
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Old 07-03-2016, 07:08 PM
 
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I'm not really into the terrorism discussion. That has many prongs to it - cultural, religious, colonialism. My point was to learn about whether there was a historical person. In regards to patriarchs and Jesus, their existence plays no part in the Prophets existence. He could have just claimed the mythology from earlier traditions.
We do not believe the Qur;an was a new revelation. We believe it is the same revelation that was given to all the past Prophets(pbut). It is just the last time it will be sent. Our last chance not to mess it up again.

Islam is not about Muhammad(saws) he is not venerated nor worshiped.

We have been cautioned not to make Muhammad(saws) into an object of veneration or worship.

Quote:
However, there are some people who violate this testimony, not by disbelieving in the Prophet (peace be upon him) or the universality of his Message, but rather by going to extremes with the respect and reverence that they confer to him.

There are those who have declared him to be an eternal light that was passed from one Prophet to the next until finally culminating in the person of Muhammad (peace be upon him). Some have declared him a presence in which Allah manifested himself. The first of these presumptions is advanced by certain extremist Shi’ite and the Bâtinî sects, as well as the most extreme of Sufi groups. The second is the belief of the pantheists.

Such statements are tantamount to heresy.

Allah’s Messenger (peace be upon him) was merely a human being, and one of Allah’s servants. Allah chose him and honored him by appointing him the Seal of the Prophets and Messengers and making him the most noble of Adam’s offspring. His humanity is an established fact, in spite of the false claims that have been advanced about him, like the ones we have mentioned above.

Allah says: “Say (O Muhammad): I am merely a man like yourselves who has been inspired that your God is One God. So whoever puts his hopes in the meeting with his Lord should work righteousness and refrain from ascribing any partners to Allah in his worship.” [Sűrah al-Kahf: 11]

Allah also says: “Say: Glory be to my Lord! Am I anything but a man who has been sent?” [Sűrah al-Isrâ’: 93]

The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: “I am but a man like yourselves. I am prone to forget just as you are.” [Sahîh al –Bukhârî (1/104, 105) and Sahîh Muslim (1/402)]

There are numerous other texts that show conclusively that Muhammad (peace be upon him) was merely a human being and that Allah distinguished him by bestowing upon him prophecy and the Message. Those who go to extremes and raise him above his true status are in fact contradicting their testimony that “Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah”.

There are those who go to excesses by offering to the Prophet (peace be upon him) certain acts of devotion that are to be offered to Allah alone. Some people even offer to him supplications, pray to his grave, and call to him in devout humility.

The Prophet (peace be upon him) went to great lengths to warn us against such behavior. He did so repeatedly and emphatically. Even before he did so, the Qur’ân made the matter perfectly clear. Allah declares supplications, devotions, prayers, and all other forms of worship to be for Him alone.

“I am but a warner & bringer of glad tidings to those who have faith.” | IslamToday - English

Knowledge of Muhammad(saws) or his history is not a major concern to Islam.
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Old 07-04-2016, 12:51 AM
 
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We do not believe the Qur;an was a new revelation. We believe it is the same revelation that was given to all the past Prophets(pbut). It is just the last time it will be sent. Our last chance not to mess it up again.

Islam is not about Muhammad(saws) he is not venerated nor worshiped.

We have been cautioned not to make Muhammad(saws) into an object of veneration or worship.
You worship God with Mohammed
That God is involved with Mohammad
Proof
That Islam does not accept God alone
But you might say Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah
So there is nothing to link and
The Islamic faith
Allah and Muhammad means
God alone is not enough
And also visit the Black Stone of Mecca
And submission to the Kaaba
All of which are evidence that monotheism in Islam is false


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Knowledge of Muhammad(saws) or his history is not a major concern to Islam.
There are many verses in the Koran speaks about the life of Mohammed, especially with women Glagueth
And also his marriage by the wife of his adopted son
All these are evidence of Koran
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There are many verses in the Koran speaks about the life of Mohammed, especially with women Glagueth
And also his marriage by the wife of his adopted son
All these are evidence of Koran
Quote one of them.
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Old 07-04-2016, 10:24 AM
 
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Good grief!! What is the name of this forum? Do you really think I should go after Christianity on an Islamic discussion group?? The moderators would love that!

You are showing your true colors. I nailed you and all you can do is come up with some pathetic fallacy!
I proved it that you are Islam hater and not terrorism hater.

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So now that I taught you what the quran says, and showed you it was not a hate site.....are you horrified? Sickened? Appalled at the hate and terrorism and other evils spewed in the quran (which you thought came from a HATE site!!!!!!!!)?? Nope. You just cook up some dishonest way to try to attack me.
You are talking nonsense! Do you think I haven't read the Qur'an and any of these verses? You copy and paste these verses as if I hadn't read them before. You are not teaching me anything but only your twisted view of the Qur'an and Islam. You have already told us in this forum what is your business here in posting in this forum. I have dealt with people with such business for years in forums like this. I am dealing here with just another hater of Islam. You made a BIG mistake by attacking me on the sole fact that I am a Muslim.

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And let me make this clear. I am against ANY terrorism no matter who does it. Christians doing terrorism, raping children, whatever...they are evil!
Why do regard me and millions of Muslims evil when they do not terrorize anyone, rape anyone, kill anyone and are living peaceful lives?

God of the Qur'an and God of the Bible is the same God. Terror of God is stated in the Bible just as it is stated in the Qur'an. The fact that you are calling only God of the Qur'an as evil monster for terrorizing billions in the verses of the Qur'an but not even mentioning His terror in the Bible, you are exposing yourself clearly only Islam and the Qur'an hater.

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I have said this on here several times....I don't care who does the evil....muhammed, you, a priest, my brother, Brad Pitt....NO MATTER WHO DOES EVIL, THEY ARE EVIL. What you do is make excuses for evil and follow an ideology that promotes evil.
You are hating me too when I have done no evil and terrorized no person. You hate me simply because I am a Muslim. You are, therefore, a Muslim hater and not hater of someone who does evil or is a terrorist.

I am in Islam and will be in Islam till my last breath. These posts of yours in hate against Islam only makes me stronger in emaan. In this case, your business is an utter failure.
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