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Old 07-03-2016, 02:40 AM
 
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And i beginning explanation of the Quran in the first verse

And relied on sources of Islamic
I will not provide any explanation violates the commentators
And then ask questions

Sura number one is al-fateha

seven verses

Muslims differ in the place of revelation of this verse
are revealed in Mecca or Medina

Interpretation of the Koran
Fatah Mosque Qadeer
Mohammed bin Ali bin Mohammed Shawkaani
Dar knowledge

Publishing Year: 1423/2004
Edition number: ---
The number of parts: part one

This became known as Sura usher in the book because he opened it, because it is the first thing that is written by the author of the Koran,
Though it was not the first thing that came down from the Koran.
some say Makiya , and other say it civic (Medina)
who say in macca is
Wahidi the reasons come down
Thalabi in his interpretation Ali may Allah be pleased with him, he said: Opening of the Book was revealed in Mecca of the treasure under the throne.
who say in medina is

Ibn Abi Shaybah in the workbook, and Abu Saeed bin Bedouin in his dictionary, and Tabarani in the middle of the road Mujahid bin Abu Huraira

, Mohammad Mohamed peace be upon him.svg if he emerged heard declaring to call out to him: O Muhammad if he heard the sound went on the run said his warka bin Nawfal: If you hear the call proving even hear what you say. When he emerged he heard the call, O Muhammad said: Beck. He said: Say I bear witness that there is no god but Allah and I bear witness that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah then said Say: Praise be to Allah, the Merciful Owner of the Day of religion ... even finished the Opening of the Book and the words of Ali bin Abi Talib. [2]Reasons to get off Abul Hassan Ali bin Ahmed bin Mohammed bin Ali Wahidi


This is the sura
And the interpretation of them Muslims
Now Questions
1. This is not the Quran in the first?
Why I wrote at the beginning of the Koran ?؟؟؟؟؟

2-Who is the Rakan Ibn Nawfal?


3-What is the right path ?

4-
What is the definition of wrath?
What is the definition astray?

Is this where hatred


Wait for the answer of the friends of Muslims

 
Old 07-04-2016, 01:17 AM
 
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Al-Fatihah is not the first Sura of the (q)Koran

the first Surat is read the name of your Lord

But the Al-Fatihah Muslims do not know because it Makiya or Medina????
the question is
The board in which the Koran is saved
What is the order of this Surah ????
Muhammad did not know the right path ????

What is the definition of the straight path????
Is Islam ????
Why silent God for this announcement ?????
Why this immediate attack Against the Jews and the Christians ?????
 
Old 07-04-2016, 02:04 AM
 
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surat number 2
al-bakara
This is the Book about which there is no doubt, a guidance for those conscious of Allah

This translation is not correct



That verse says
That book =
[SIZE=5]ذَلِكَ الْكِتَابُ
[/SIZE]

[SIZE=5]There is a big difference between that book and this book
[/SIZE]
If you do not believe my words

Go to Google and make sure your own ????

I guess that is misleading
Misrepresent the Word of God????

i oldest of these claim
Corrects this distortion in the Word of God--Yeah
Verse says that the book is no doubt

Muslim who did not know Arabic does not know the real meaning because the translator deliberate intent to mislead

Wait a mental post without emotions
Because we are looking for the truth
 
Old 07-04-2016, 06:45 AM
 
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Originally Posted by mahasn sawresho View Post
surat number 2
al-bakara
This is the Book about which there is no doubt, a guidance for those conscious of Allah

This translation is not correct



That verse says
That book =
[SIZE=5]ذَلِكَ الْكِتَابُ
[/SIZE]

[SIZE=5]There is a big difference between that book and this book
[/SIZE]
If you do not believe my words

Go to Google and make sure your own ????

I guess that is misleading
Misrepresent the Word of God????

i oldest of these claim
Corrects this distortion in the Word of God--Yeah
Verse says that the book is no doubt

Muslim who did not know Arabic does not know the real meaning because the translator deliberate intent to mislead

Wait a mental post without emotions
Because we are looking for the truth
True. Arabic does not translate very well into English as often the Arabic word makes no sense in English. The Word "That"does not make sense in reference to the English translation of the Surah.

You have verified the reason why we are not to consider any translation as being the Qur'an. All Translations will contain errors.
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Old 07-04-2016, 07:50 AM
 
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Little do I know about Islam, but I thought there:
1. is no actual BOOK as it's all oral tradition
2. the Word of God can not be interpreted or changed in any manner (agreed) thus it can be acquired or repeated ONLY in it's original form. Hence, whatever was given to The Prophet is ONE AND ONLY true word of God and in WHATEVER FORM it was given. Hence, ONLY in the original form/language it should be acquired. That it is not understood by a person of different language means nothing as Word of God does its job anyway, while God understands any language, as it is any language and judges person by its faith, not by words spoken.
 
Old 07-04-2016, 07:52 AM
 
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Hence, a human may possibly not be capable of "explaining" even a single letter in the Word of God, least to say - verses. Word of God is a miracle, uncomprehending by lay minds, to be accepted AS IS.
 
Old 07-04-2016, 10:17 AM
 
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God does not eliminate the mind
God gave us the mind so that we use

that=ذلك

that door can not fault the crossing for the cautious

Here meaning
That door

But if I said

This door can not fault the crossing for the cautious

Here meaning

This door=
this =هذا

Here the difference in meaning

This door and that door

This is what happened in the translation of this verse
That book =ذلك الكتاب
In Arabic, a language of the(q) Koran

but in the English translator is
this book = هذا الكتاب

So the translation is not correct
Especially if the subject is the word of God as you say

Scientific translator rules are
Use synonyms as they are
Because this and that reference names

Translator does not exceed the meanings of the text
Because it leads to a distortion of meaning

A lie and betray scientific integrity in translation

Especially if it's the word of God as Muslims claim

It would lead to a distorted version offers to the millions of Muslims who do not speak Arabic
 
Old 07-04-2016, 10:28 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Woodrow LI View Post
True. Arabic does not translate very well into English as often the Arabic word makes no sense in English. The Word "That"does not make sense in reference to the English translation of the Surah.

You have verified the reason why we are not to consider any translation as being the Qur'an. All Translations will contain errors.
OK
Favors and gave us a verse in Arabic
And explain it to us to Goya
Here the word is not difficult
And it has provided a clear example
That door
And also this door
The big difference in meaning
So far, I discuss only verse translation
I did not speak about the explanation to this verse
who Respects his mind accept the truth
 
Old 07-04-2016, 10:35 AM
 
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quran.com/

Sahih International

This is the Book about which there is no doubt, a guidance for those conscious of Allah -
 
Old 07-04-2016, 11:27 AM
 
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The author is correct. Some translators wrote that and the others this. Of course the word for this is different (hatha).

[6.155] And this is a Book We have revealed, blessed; therefore follow it and guard that mercy may be shown to you.

[15.1] Alif Lam Ra. These are the verses of the Book and a Qur'an that makes clear.

[27.1] Ta Sin! These are the verses of the Qur'an and the Book that makes clear

[39.23] Allah has revealed the best hadith, a book conformable in its various parts, repeating, whereat do shudder the skins of those who fear their Lord, then their skins and their hearts become pliant to the remembrance of Allah; this is Allah's guidance, He guides with it whom He pleases; and (as for) him whom Allah makes err, there is no guide for him.

[40.2] The revelation of the Book is from Allah, the Mighty, the Knowing,

[56.77] Most surely it is an honored Qur'an,
[56.78] In a book that is protected
[56.79] None shall touch it save the purified ones.
[56.80] A revelation by the Lord of the worlds.
[56.81] Do you then hold this hadith in contempt?
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