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Old 07-19-2016, 05:12 PM
 
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From Bukhari Vol. 4, #540

Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar: Allah's Apostle ordered that the dogs should be killed.
That can't be true because everything that Allah's Apostle had ordered was written down in the Qur'an. Bukhari is not the Qur'an.

[5.99] Nothing is (incumbent) on the Apostle but to deliver (the message), and Allah knows what you do openly and what you hide.

[29.18] And if you reject
(the truth), nations before you did indeed reject (the truth); and nothing is incumbent on the apostle but a plain delivering (of the message).

All that he delivered is in the Qur'an.

[46.9] Say: I am not the first of the apostles, and I do not know what will be done with me or with you: I do not follow anything but that which is revealed to me, and I am nothing but a plain warner.

No killing of dogs in the message!
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Old 07-19-2016, 08:34 PM
 
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That can't be true because everything that Allah's Apostle had ordered was written down in the Qur'an. Bukhari is not the Qur'an.

[5.99] Nothing is (incumbent) on the Apostle but to deliver (the message), and Allah knows what you do openly and what you hide.

[29.18] And if you reject
(the truth), nations before you did indeed reject (the truth); and nothing is incumbent on the apostle but a plain delivering (of the message).

All that he delivered is in the Qur'an.

[46.9] Say: I am not the first of the apostles, and I do not know what will be done with me or with you: I do not follow anything but that which is revealed to me, and I am nothing but a plain warner.

No killing of dogs in the message!
If we take away the nonsense of a supernatural monster in the sky who created the universe and is obsessed with women's periods and torture....we are left with a perverted monster called Muhammed here on earth who wrote the garbage in the quran. Then, we have the hadiths, which were written about Muhammed's evil life by Islamic historians. You are humiliated by what Muhammed did so you pretend these hadith are not part of Islam. They are.

So there you have it. Reality.
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Old 07-19-2016, 09:35 PM
 
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There are no direct nor absolute verses in the Quran that give the direct command for Muslims to hate dogs.

Because of the primary focus and triggering of the "us versus them" impulse, in general Muslims [not all] are brainwashed into the concept of duality i.e. for and against. If the Muslims [many] are for some thing then they must find something to be against or anti-.

Note this where Muhammad is portray as a cat-lover;

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Cats hold a special place to the Muslims, since Prophet Muhammad is very fond of cats.

One story mentioned that a cat saved Prophet Mohammad from being bitten by a deadly snake.

There was also a story of the Prophet cutting off his shirt sleeve rather than disturbing his sleeping cat when it was time for prayers. When people at the mosque noticed him wearing a torn sleeved robe, they asked "Holy Prophet, why is your garment torn?"

The Prophet simply replied that his cat is sleeping soundly upon the sleeve of his robe and rather than disturbing the cat, he cut the sleeve and put on what remained of his garment. The Prophet is so kind to animals that he would not pull the garment or awaken the cat, instead he rather cut his robe and let the cat sleep undisturbed.

It is a well-known fact that the Prophet is a cat lover and respect animals. Muslims are taught to follow his exemplary behaviour on kindness to animals.

A companion of the Prophet was given the name Abu Hurairah. The name Abu Hurairah means 'father of the cats'. Abu Hurairah was given this name because where ever he goes, he always had a kitten with him.
This is what happen with the common differentiation of cats versus dogs.
Since it is highlighted in the AHadith the prophet is a cat-lover, therefore in the mind of many Muslims [hadith-based] then the prophet must be a dog-hater.

The above brainwashing is manifested as a reality and it is a fact the majority of Muslims love cats and hate dogs to the extent SOME evil prone Muslims will do evil upon dogs wherever the opportunity arise for them to act evil on dogs. This is a stupid emotional based hatred because dogs has a great range of utility to mankind than 'good for not many things' [except as pets and modern cats are afraid of mouse] cats and the brainwashed Muslims are depriving themselves of this potential utility.
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Old 07-26-2016, 05:52 PM
 
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The dog is the most noble creature God ever created. He is your friend, your partner, your defender, your dog. You are his life, his love, his leader. He will be yours, faithful and true, to the last beat of his heart. You owe it to him to be worthy of such devotion.

If you can resist treating a rich friend better than a poor friend,
If you can face the world without lies and deceit,
If you can say honestly that deep in your heart you have no prejudice against creed, color, religion or politics,
Then, my friend, you are almost as good as your dog.
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Old 08-03-2016, 02:23 AM
 
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This is one verse where Muslims are led to be wary of dogs.
7:176. And had We willed We could have raised him by their means, but he [Balaam] clung to the earth and followed his [Balaam] own lust.
Therefor his [Balaam] likeness is as the likeness of a dog; if thou attackest him he panteth with his tongue out, and if thou leavest him he panteth with his tongue out.
Such is the likeness [as a dog] of the, people [infidels] who deny Our revelations.
Narrate unto them [Children of Adam] the history (of the men of old), that haply they may take thought.
This verse associate dogs with disbelievers which the Quran condemned with contempt and intense abhorrence, thus this verse influenced Muslims to be wary [and some to hate] dogs.

This is one of the main reason why there must be due care in how things are associated with a God and described in theistic holy book.

Any thing describe as positively associated with God will be loved by believers to the extreme as this is also positive to their salvation, eternal life and Paradise.

Any thing describe negatively in association with God, will be hated, despised by believers.
In 7:176 dogs are associated with believers which is God viewed very negatively and to be condemned. Thus it will naturally follow that most believers will hate, despise, be wary of dogs.

It is the same with other human beings who are non-believers. When non-believers are condemned like pieces of sh:t in the Quran, SOME* [not all] evil prone Muslims will viewed and treat non-Muslims with contempt, hate, abhorrence, despise them, which easily lead to such 'worthless' non-believers be killed easily for whatever reasons they deemed fit in accordance to their understanding from the Quran.
* the significance is 'SOME' if say 20% of Muslims would mean a pool of 300 Muslims with active evil tendencies.
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Old 08-20-2016, 10:13 PM
 
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I do believe Islam is a religion of peace. And no, not because of the West. Islam is as peaceful as Christianity, Judaism, and all the other religions out there. There are good Muslims and there are bad Muslims. There are good and bad in everything.

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I have to disagree. Islam is not a peaceful religion and why? They not only kill Christians, but they even kill each other! Sunnis and Shiites kill each other because of their hatred for one another. Christianity is the only peaceful religion. They would never kill each other even though the Catholics did that on the Protestants. So again, Muslims can claim to be peaceful all they want but Islam isn't a peaceful religion even though, yes, there are good Muslims and bad Muslims.
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Old 08-20-2016, 11:05 PM
 
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I have to disagree. Islam is not a peaceful religion and why? They not only kill Christians, but they even kill each other! Sunnis and Shiites kill each other because of their hatred for one another. Christianity is the only peaceful religion. They would never kill each other even though the Catholics did that on the Protestants. So again, Muslims can claim to be peaceful all they want but Islam isn't a peaceful religion even though, yes, there are good Muslims and bad Muslims.
Muslims act according to the circumstances
If I think the conditions are right, it will turn to Muslim extremist within minutes or through a fatwa wounds one
That is why I think that every Muslim in the West is a ticking time bomb
I think that there is a big difference between radical and moderate Muslim
Muslim extremist uses Altqaaah
It is kind of lying and deception
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Old 08-20-2016, 11:07 PM
 
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Muslims act according to the circumstances
If I think the conditions are right, it will turn to Muslim extremist within minutes or through a fatwa wounds one
That is why I think that every Muslim in the West is a ticking time bomb
I think that there is no a big difference between radical and moderate Muslim
Muslim extremist uses Altqaaah
It is kind of lying and deception
sorry
I think that there is no a big difference between radical and moderate Muslim
Muslim extremist uses Altqaaah
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Old 08-20-2016, 11:28 PM
 
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sorry
I think that there is no a big difference between radical and moderate Muslim
Why do you think so?

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Muslim extremist uses Altqaaah
What is Altqaaah in English?

Do you mean Taqiya?
Taqiya (تقیة taqiyyah/taqīyah,)
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Old 08-22-2016, 09:30 AM
 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtbct0yjmk0


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2fgrY7yNbI


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76V0YasR_tk

From Bukhari Vol. 4, #540

Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar: Allah's Apostle ordered that the dogs should be killed.
The Ahadith relating to dogs are an excellent example of why it is necessary to know what a Hadith is, and have substantial knowledge of Isnad, authenticity and reliability before trying to use it as verification of anything. I find it interesting to note that Ibn ‘Umar seems to be the only witness that remembers it as Muhammad(saws) giving a command to kill all dogs.

. It also must be noted that no hadith is any more accurate than the memory of the witness. When looking at the reports of different witnesses it is interesting to see how memories differ. Keep in mind multiple hadith does not mean more incidents. Most are simply different witnesses giving their memory of the same incident. It is not uncommon for different witnesses having a different understanding of what was said.

To get an accurate view of Muhammad(saws)’s opinion of dogs one must evaluate all the Ahadith related to the incident Here are most of the Ahadith relating to killing dogs. Most of these are relating to an incident in which Muhammad(saws) was asked if it was permissible to kill any animals on sight. Interesting to note how different witnesses understood his replies.

No. 3809



Ibn 'Umar (Allaah be pleased with them) reported Allaah's Messenger (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) giving command for killing dogs.


No. 3810



Ibn 'Umar (Allaah be pleased with them) reported: Allaah's Messenger (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) ordered to kill dogs, and he sent (men) to the corners of Medina that they should be killed.


No. 3811



Abdullah (b. Umar) (Allaah be pleased with them) reported: Allaah's Messenger (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) ordered the killing of dogs and we would send (men) in Medina and its corners and we did not spare any dog that we did not kill, so much so that we killed the dog that accompanied the wet she-camel belonging to the people of the desert.


No. 3812



Ibn Umar (Allaah be pleased with them) reported that Allaah's Messenger (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) ordered the killing of dogs except the dog tamed for hunting, or watching of the herd of sheep or other domestic animals. It was said to Ibn Umar (Allaah be pleased with them) that Abu Huraira (Allaah be pleased with him) talks of (exception) about the dog for watching the field, whereupon he said: Since Abu Huraira (Allaah be pleased with him) possessed land.


No. 3813



Abu Zubair heard Jabir b. 'Abdullah (Allaah be pleased with him) saying: Allaah's Messenger (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) ordered us to kill dogs, and we carried out this order so much so that we also kill the dog coming with a woman from the desert. Then Allaah's Prophet (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) forbade their killing. He (the Prophet further) said: It is your duty the jet-black (dog) having two spots (on the eyes), for it is a devil.


No. 3814



Ibn Mughaffal reported: Allaah's Messenger (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) ordered the killing of dogs and then said: what is the trouble with them (the people of Medina)? How dogs are nuisance to them (the citizens of Medina)? He then permitted keehing of dogs for hunting and (the protection of) herds. In the hadith transmitted on the authority of Yahya, he (the Prophet) permitted the keeping of dogs for (the protection of) herds, for hunting and (the protection of) cultivated land.


No. 3815



Ibn Umar (Allaah be pleased with him) reported Allaah's Messenger (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) as saying: He who keeps a dog other than that meant for watching the herd or for hunting loses every day out of his deeds equal to two qirat.


No. 3816



Salim reported on the authority of his father that Allaah's Prophet (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) said: He who kept a dog other than one meant for hunting or for watching the herd, lost two qirat of his reward every day.


No. 3817



Ibn 'Umar reported Allaah's Messenger (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) as saying He who kept a dog other than one meant for hunting or for watching the herd lost out of his deeds (equal to) two qirat every day.


No. 3818



Salim b. 'Abdullah reported on the authority of his father that Allaah's Messenger (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) said: He who kept a dog other than one meant for watching the herd or for hunting would lose every day two qirat of his good deeds. 'Abdullah and Abu Huraira also said: Or dog meant for watching the field.


No. 3819



Salim reported on the authority of his father (Allaah be pleased with him) that Allaah's Messenger (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) said: He who kept a dog other than one meant for hunting or for the protection of the herd would lose two qirat of his deeds every day. Salim said: Abu Huraira (Allaah be pleased with him) used to say: Or the dog meant for watching the field, and he was the owner of the land.


No. 3820



Salim b. Abdullah reported on the authority of his father that Allaah's Messenger (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) said: Whosover amongst the owners of the house keeps a dog other than one meant for watching the herd or for hunting loses two qirat of his deeds every day.


No. 3821



Ibn Umar (Allaah be pleased with them) narrated Allaah's Messenger (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) as saying: He who kept a dog ther than one meant for watching the fields or herds or hunting would lose one qirat every day out of his reward (with God).


No. 3822



Abu Huraira reported Allaah's Messenger (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) as saying: He who kept a dog which is neither meant for hunting nor for watching the anitmals nor for watching the fields would lose two qirat every day out of his reward; and there is no mention of the fields in the hadith transmitted by Abu Tahir.


No. 3823



Abu Huraira (Allaah be pleased with him) reported Allaah's Messenger (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) as saying: He who kept a dog except one meant for watching the herd, or for hunting or for watching the fields. he lost two qirat of reward every day. Zuhri said: The words of Abu Huraira (Allaah be pleased with him) were conveyed to Ibn Umar who said: May Allaah have mercy upon Abu Huraira; he owned a field.


No. 3824



Abu Huraira (Allaah be pleased with him) reported Allaah's Messenger (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) as saying: He who kept a dog would lose out of his deeds equal to one qirat every day. except (one kept) for watching the field or herd.








Abu Huraira (Allaah be pleased with him) reported Allaah's Messenger (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) as saying: He who kept a dog, but not meant for hunting or watching the herd, would lose one qirat of reward every day.


No. 3828



Sufyan b. Abu Zuhair (he was a person belonging to the tribe of Shanu'a and was amongst the Conpanions of Allaah's Messenger [sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam ) said: I heard Messenger of Allaah (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) as saying: He who kept a dog (other than that) which is indispensable for watching the field or the animals would lose one qirat out of his deeds every day. As-Sa'ib b Yazid (one of the narrators) said: Did you hear it from Allaah's Messenger (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam)? He said: Yes. by the Lord of this mosque.


Sahih Al-Bukhari HadithHadith 3.55 Narrated byAisha
Allah's Apostle said, "Five kinds of animals are harmful and could be killed in the Haram (Sanctuary). These are: the crow, the kite, the scorpion, the mouse and the rabid dog."

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Sahih Muslim HadithHadith 551 Narrated byAbdullah Ibn Mughaffal
The Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) ordered killing of the dogs and then said: What about them, i.e. about other dogs? - and then granted concession (to keep) the dog for hunting and the dog for (the security) of the herd, and said: When the dog licks the utensil, wash it seven times, and rub it with earth the eighth time.

Sunan of Abu-DawoodHadith 1844 Narrated byAbuSa'id al-Khudri
The Prophet (peace be upon him) was asked which of the creatures a pilgrim in sacred state could kill. He replied: The snake, the scorpion, the rat; he should drive away the pied crow, but should not kill it; the biting dog, the kite, and any wild animal which attacks (man).

Al-Tirmidhi HadithHadith 4102 Narrated byAbdullah ibn Mughaffal
The Prophet (peace be upon him) said, "Were dogs not a species of creature I should command that they all be killed; but kill every pure black one." AbuDawud and Darimi transmitted it. Tirmidhi and Nasa'i added, "No family attaches itself to a dog without a qirat of their good deeds being deducted
daily, except in the case of a hunting dog, a farm dog, or a sheepdog."

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Sunan of Abu-DawoodHadith 2840 Narrated byJabir ibn Abdullah
The Prophet of Allah (peace be upon him) ordered to kill dogs, and we were even killing a dog which a woman brought with her from the desert.

Afterwards he forbade to kill them, saying: Confine yourselves to the type which is black.["The jet-black dog" (al-kalb al-aswad al-bahim). The gist of the reference seems to be that a wild-looking dog, or one known to be dangerous, has the greatest potential for distracting attention/threatning]

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5:4 They ask thee what is lawful to them (as food): say: Lawful unto you are (all) things good and pure: and what ye have taught your trained hunting animals (to catch) in the manner directed to you by Allah; eat what they catch for you but pronounce the name of Allah over it: and fear Allah; for Allah is swift in taking account.

Sahih Al-Bukhari HadithHadith 1.175 Narrated byAdi bin Hatim
I asked the Prophet (about the hunting dogs) and he replied, "If you let loose (with Allah's name) your tamed dog after a game and it hunts it, you may eat it, but if the dog eats of (that game) then do not eat it because the dog has hunted it for itself." I further said, "Sometimes I send my dog for hunting and find another dog with it. He said, "Do not eat the game for you have mentioned Allah's name only on sending your dog and not the other dog."


Sahih Al-Bukhari HadithHadith 3.270 Narrated byAdi bin Hatim
I asked Allah's Apostle about Al Mirad (i.e. a sharp-edged piece of wood or a piece of wood provided with a piece of iron used for hunting). He replied, "If the game is hit by its sharp edge, eat it, and if it is hit by its broad side, do not eat it, for it has been beaten to death." I asked, "O Allah's Apostle! I release my dog by the name of Allah and find with it at the game, another dog on which I have not mentioned the name of Allah, and I do not know which one of them caught the game." Allah's Apostle said (to him), 'Don't eat it as you have mentioned the name of Allah on your dog and not on
the other dog."



Sahih Al-Bukhari HadithHadith 3.515 Narrated byAbu Huraira
Allah's Apostle said, "Whoever keeps a dog, one Qirat of the reward of his good deeds is deducted daily, unless the dog is used for guarding a farm or cattle." Abu Huraira (in another narration) said from the Prophet, "unless it is used for guarding sheep or farms, or for hunting." Narrated Abu Hazim from Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, "A dog for guarding cattle or for hunting."

*Because Angels do not enter the houses where Dogs live.

Kindness towards Dogs.
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Sahih Al-Bukhari HadithHadith 8.38 Narrated byAbu Huraira
Allah's Apostle said, "While a man was walking on a road, he became very thirsty. Then he came across a well, got down into it, drank (of its water) and then came out. Meanwhile he saw a dog panting and licking mud because of excessive thirst. The man said to himself "This dog is suffering from the same state of thirst as I did." So he went down the well (again) and filled his shoe (with water) and held it in his mouth and watered the dog. Allah thanked him for that deed and forgave him." The people asked, "O Allah's Apostle! Is there a reward for us in serving the animals?" He said, "(Yes) There is a reward for serving any animate (living being)."

Sahih Al-Bukhari HadithHadith 1.174 Narrated byAbu Huraira
The Prophet said, "A man saw a dog eating mud from (the severity of) thirst. So, that man took a shoe (and filled it) with water and kept on pouring the water for the dog till it quenched its thirst. So Allah approved of his deed and made him to enter Paradise." And narrated Hamza bin 'Abdullah: My father said. "During the lifetime of Allah's Apostle, the dogs used to urinate, and pass through the mosques (come and go), nevertheless they never used to sprinkle water on it (urine of the dog.)"



Angels do not enter in a house where there is a Dog or a picture.
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Sahih Muslim HadithHadith 5248 Narrated byMaymunah
One morning Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) was silent with grief. Maymunah said: Allah's Messenger, I find a change in your mood today. Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) said: Gabriel had promised me that he would meet me last night, but he did not meet me. By Allah, he never broke his promises; and Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) spent the day in this sad (mood). Then it occurred to him that there had been a puppy under their cot. He gave an order and it was turned out. He then took some water in his hand and sprinkled it on the place. When it was evening Gabriel met him and he said to him: You promised me that you would meet me the previous night. He said: Yes, but we do not enter a house in which there is a dog or a picture. So the very next morning he commanded the dogs to be killed. He announced that the dog kept for the orchards should also be killed, but he
spared the dog used for the protection of extensive fields (or big gardens).

Sahih Muslim HadithHadith 3812 Narrated byAbdullah ibn Umar
Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) ordered the killing of dogs except the dog tamed for hunting, or watching of the herd of sheep or other domestic animals. It was said to Ibn Umar (Allah be pleased with them) that AbuHurayrah (Allah be pleased with him) talks of (exception) about the dog for watching the field, whereupon he said: Since AbuHurayrah (Allah be pleased with him) possessed land.

Sunan of Abu-DawoodHadith 227 Narrated byAli ibn AbuTalib
The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: Angels do not enter the house where there is a picture, or a dog, or a person who is sexually defiled.


Sahih Muslim HadithHadith 1032 Narrated byAbuDharr
The Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) said: When any one of you stands for prayer and there is a thing before him equal to the back of the saddle that covers him and in case there is not before him (a thing) equal to the back of the saddle, his prayer would be cut off by (passing of an) ass,
woman, and black dog. I said: O AbuDharr, what feature is there in a black dog which distinguishes it from the red dog and the yellow dog? He said: O son of my brother, I asked the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) as you are asking me, and he said: The black dog is a devil.





Sunan of Abu-DawoodHadith 3472 Narrated byJabir ibn Abdullah
The Prophet (peace be upon him) forbade payment for dog and cat.

Sahih Muslim HadithHadith 3808 Narrated byJabir ibn Abdullah
AbuzZubayr said: I asked Jabir about the price of a dog and a cat, he said: Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) disapproved of that.

Sahih Muslim HadithHadith 5277 Narrated byAbuHurayrah
Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) said: Angels do not accompany the travellers who have with them a dog and a bell.

Sunan of Abu-DawoodHadith 3798 Narrated byJabir ibn Abdullah
AbuzZubayr quoted the authority of Jabir ibn Abdullah for the statement that the Prophet (peace be upon him) forbade payment for a dog. Ibn AbdulMalik said: to eat a cat and to enjoy its price.

Sunan of Abu-DawoodHadith 3414 Narrated byRafi' ibn Khadij
The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: The earnings of a cupper are impure, the price paid for a dog is impure, and the hire paid to a prostitute is impure.


Sahih Muslim HadithHadith 551 Narrated byAbdullah Ibn Mughaffal
The Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) ordered killing of the dogs and then said: What about them, i.e. about other dogs? - and then granted concession (to keep) the dog for hunting and the dog for (the security) of the herd, and said: When the dog licks the utensil, wash it seven times, and
rub it with earth the eighth time.
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