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Old 08-20-2016, 02:48 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Continuum View Post
Again you are not in touch with reality.

Note the verses quoted by Bin Laden in his Letter to America.
As I had stated I am a voracious reader and knowledge explorer and I have read of many famous terrorists who quoted the Quran to justify their acts as a true Muslim's duty to please Allah. Before you deflect to claim the interpreted wrongly, note WHO ARE YOU to judge them on behalf of Allah.
Most of those who committed Islamic inspired evils and violence are not politicians but are zealous Muslims who are extremely motivated to please Allah to enable them to go Paradise expeditiously with greater rewards.

Those SOME evil prone Muslims will go on their own motivations on rely on any excuse [political, education, etc.] to carry out their Muslim duty to please God. The fact is political elements are so common within humanity and thus are very convenient good opportunities/excuses for them to please Allah to go the Paradise expeditiously with greater rewards. This extra motivations are all promised in the Quran by Allah.

IF Allah had not promised greater rewards for martyrdom in the Quran, I don't believe there will be Islamic-inspired suicide bombers who has no official affiliation to the political cause.
As a comparison, there are no promises of greater rewards in heaven in the Eastern religions and that is why we do not have Buddhists from all over the world killing innocent Chinese all over the world shouting Buddha-u-Akbar.
The above contrast is an obvious logical deduction the root cause of Islamic-inspired suicide bombers must be motivated mainly by the Quran.

Bush [a born again Christian] was motivated by his own selfish evil prone nature and that has nothing to do with Christianity, i.e. the teachings of Jesus Christ.
Quote me a glaring verse from the Gospels of Jesus where he exhorted Christians to fight and kill non-Christians if they are a threat to Christianity. If you cannot make sure you are very mindful of these when you deflect the issue to Bush again so as not to insult your own spiritual and intellectual intelligence.
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Quote me a glaring verse from the Gospels of Jesus where he exhorted Christians to fight and kill non-Christians if they are a threat to Christianity.
Beginning with this one:

From Matthew 5:

16In the same way, let your light shine before men, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in heaven. 17Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them, but to fulfill them. 18For I tell you truly, until heaven and earth pass away, not a single jot, not a stroke of a pen, will disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.…


Romans 3:31
Do we, then, nullify the Law by this faith? By no means! Instead, we uphold Law.

In accordance with the Bible, Jesus(a.s.) Did not abolish, or abrogate the past laws. Which means Jesus(a.s.) Approved of all the past laws.

Such as:


10. 2 Kings 2:23-24

He [Elisha] went up from there to Bethel; and while he was going up on the way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him, saying, “Go away, baldhead! Go away, baldhead!” When he turned around and saw them, he cursed them in the name of the LORD. Then two she-bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the boys. (NRSV)


9. Exodus 32:27-29

Then he said to them, "This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: 'Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and neighbor.' "The Levites did as Moses commanded, and that day about three thousand of the people died. Then Moses said, "You have been set apart to the LORD today, for you were against your own sons and brothers, and he has blessed you this day."(NIV)


8. 2 Chronicles 25:12

The sons of Judah also captured 10,000 alive and brought them to the top of the cliff and threw them down from the top of the cliff, so that they were all dashed to pieces.(NASB)


7. Judges 12:5-6

Then the Gileadites took the fords of the Jordan against the Ephraimites. Whenever one of the fugitives of Ephraim said, “Let me go over,” the men of Gilead would say to him, “Are you an Ephraimite?” When he said, “No” they said to him, “Then say Shibboleth” and he said, “Sibboleth,” for he could not pronounce it right. Then they seized him and killed him at the fords of the Jordan. Forty-two thousand of the Ephraimites fell at that time. (NRSV)


6. 1 Kings 20:28-30

Then a man of God came and spoke to the king of Israel, and said, “Thus says the LORD: 'Because the Syrians have said, “The LORD is God of the hills, but He is not God of the valleys,” therefore I will deliver all this great multitude into your hand, and you shall know that I am the LORD.’” And they encamped opposite each other for seven days.

So it was that on the seventh day the battle was joined; and the children of Israel killed one hundred thousand foot soldiers of the Syrians in one day. But the rest fled to Aphek, into the city; then a wall fell on twenty-seven thousand of the men who were left. (NKJV)


5. Joshua 8:24-26

When the Israelite army finished chasing and killing all the men of Ai in the open fields, they went back and finished off everyone inside. So the entire population of Ai, including men and women, was wiped out that day—12,000 in all. For Joshua kept holding out his spear until everyone who had lived in Ai was completely destroyed. (NLT)


4. Deuteronomy 2:32-34

Then Sihon came out against us, he and all his people, unto battle at Jahaz. And Jehovah our God delivered him up before us; and we smote him, and his sons, and all his people. And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed every inhabited city, with the women and the little ones; we left none remaining. (ASV)


3. Deuteronomy 3:3-6

So the LORD our God delivered Og also, king of Bashan, with all his people into our hand, and we smote them until no survivor was left. We captured all his cities at that time; there was not a city which we did not take from them: sixty cities, all the region of Argob, the kingdom of Og in Bashan. All these were cities fortified with high walls, gates and bars, besides a great many unwalled towns. We utterly destroyed them, as we did to Sihon king of Heshbon, utterly destroying the men, women and children of every city. (NASB)


2. 1 Samuel 15:3,8

Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.' " … He took Agag king of the Amalekites alive, and all his people he totally destroyed with the sword.(NIV)


1. Hosea 13:16

Samaria shall bear her guilt, because she has rebelled against her God; they shall fall by the sword, their little ones shall be dashed in pieces, and their pregnant women ripped open. (NRSV)

But that is not all, Jesus(a.s.) also shows a violent aspect in His words in the NT

Matthew
  1. Those who bear bad fruit will be cut down and burned "with unquenchable fire." 3:10, 12
  2. Jesus strongly approves of the law and the prophets. He hasn't the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament. 5:17
  3. Jesus recommends that to avoid sin we cut off our hands and pluck out our eyes. This advice is given immediately after he says that anyone who looks with lust at any women commits adultery. 5:29-30
  4. Jesus says that most people will go to hell. 7:13-14
  5. Those who fail to bear "good fruit" will be "hewn down, and cast into the fire." 7:19
  6. "The children of the kingdom [the Jews] shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." 8:12
  7. Jesus tells a man who had just lost his father: "Let the dead bury the dead." 8:21
  8. Jesus sends some devils into a herd of pigs, causing them to run off a cliff and drown in the waters below. 8:32
  9. Cities that neither "receive" the disciples nor "hear" their words will be destroyed by God. It will be worse for them than for Sodom and Gomorrah. And you know what God supposedly did to those poor folks (see Gen 19:24). 10:14-15
  10. Families will be torn apart because of Jesus (this is one of the few "prophecies" in the Bible that has actually come true). "Brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death." 10:21
  11. Jesus says that we should fear God who is willing and "able to destroy both soul and body in hell." 10:28
  12. Jesus says that he has come to destroy families by making family members hate each other. He has "come not to send peace, but a sword." 10:34-36
  13. Jesus condemns entire cities to dreadful deaths and to the eternal torment of hell because they didn't care for his preaching. 11:20-24
  14. Jesus will send his angels to gather up "all that offend" and they "shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth." 13:41-42, 50
  15. Jesus is criticized by the Pharisees for not washing his hands before eating. He defends himself by attacking them for not killing disobedient children according to the commandment: "He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death." (See Ex 21:15, Lev 20:9, Dt 21:18-21) So, does Jesus think that children who curse their parents should be killed? It sure sounds like it. 15:4-7
  16. "Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up." 15:13
  17. Jesus advises his followers to mutilate themselves by cutting off their hands and plucking out their eyes. He says it's better to be "maimed" than to suffer "everlasting fire." 18:8-9
  18. In the parable of the unforgiving servant, the king threatens to enslave a man and his entire family to pay for a debt. This practice, which was common at the time, seems not to have bothered Jesus very much. The parable ends with this: "So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you." If you are cruel to others, God will be cruel to you. 18:23-35
  19. "And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors." 18:34
  20. God is like a rich man who owns a vineyard and rents it to poor farmers. When he sends servants to collect the rent, the tenants beat or kill them. So he sent his son to collect the rent, and they kill him too. Then the owner comes and kills the farmers and rents the vineyard to others. 21:33-41
  21. "Whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder." Whoever falls on "this stone" (Jesus) will be broken, and whomever the stone falls on will be ground into powder. 21:44
  22. In the parable of the marriage feast, the king sends his servants to gather everyone they can find, both bad and good, to come to the wedding feast. One guest didn't have on his wedding garment, so the king tied him up and "cast him into the outer darkness" where "there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." 22:1-14
  23. The end of the world will be signaled by wars, famines, disease, and earthquakes (6-7). And that's just "the beginning of sorrows" (8). Next believers will be hated and killed by unbelievers (9), believers will hate and betray each other (10), false prophets will fool people (11), iniquity will abound and love wax cold (12). But hey, if you make through all that, you'll be saved (13).
Only one more thing will happen before the end comes: the gospel will be preached throughout the world (14). Well, that and the abomination of desolations will stand in the holy place (15), many false Christs and false prophets will show great signs and wonders (24), the sun and moon will be darkened and the stars will fall (29), the sign of the son of Man will appear in the sky, everyone on earth will mourn, and then, finally, the great and powerful son of Man will come in all his glory (30).
Oh, and all these things will happen within the lifespan of Jesus' contemporaries (34).
Or maybe not. Jesus was talking about things he knew nothing about (36). (See Mark 13:32.) 24:3-51
  1. Jesus had no problem with the idea of drowning everyone on earth in the flood. It'll be just like that when he returns. 24:37
  2. God will come when people least expect him and then he'll "cut them asunder." And "there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." 24:50-51
  3. The parable of the cruel and unjust master
    The kingdom of heaven is like a rich man who distributed his wealth to his servants while he traveled. He gave five talents (a talent was a unit of money, worth about 20 years of a worker's wages) to one servant, two to another, and one to a third. When he returned, the servant with five talents had made five more, the servant with two made two more, but the servant with one talent only had the talent his master entrusted to him. The master rewarded the servants that invested his money (without his permission -- what would have happened if the stock market went down during their master's travels?) and took the talent from the single-talent servant and gave it to the one with ten talents. "For unto every one that hath shall be given .. but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath." Then the cruel and unjust master cast the servant who carefully protected his master's talent into the "outer darkness: [where] there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." 25:14-30
  4. The servant who kept and returned his master's talent was cast into the "outer darkness" where there will be "weeping and gnashing of teeth." 25:30
  5. Jesus judges the nations. 25:31-46
  6. Jesus tells us what he has planned for those that he dislikes. They will be cast into an "everlasting fire." 25:41
  7. Jesus says the damned will be tormented forever. 25:46
Mark
  1. Jesus explains why he speaks in parables: to confuse people so they will go to hell. 4:11-12
  2. Jesus sends devils into 2000 pigs, causing them to jump off a cliff and be drowned in the sea. When the people hear about it, they beg Jesus to leave. 5:12-13
  3. Any city that doesn't "receive" the followers of Jesus will be destroyed in a manner even more savage than that of Sodom and Gomorrah. 6:11
  4. Jesus criticizes the Jews for not killing their disobedient children as required by Old Testament law. (See Ex 21:15, Lev 20:9, Dt 21:18-21) 7:9-10
  5. Jesus tells us to cut off our hands and feet, and pluck out our eyes to avoid going to hell. 9:43-49
  6. God is like a rich man who owns a vineyard and rents it to poor farmers. When he sends servants to collect the rent, the tenants beat or kill them. So he sent his son to collect the rent, and they kill him too. Then the owner comes and kills the farmers and gives the vineyard to others. 12:1-9
  7. Jesus tells his disciples to eat his body and drink his blood. 14:22-24
  8. Jesus says that those that believe and are baptized will be saved, while those who don't will be damned. 16:16
Luke
  1. Zechariah asks the angel Gabriel how his wife Elizabeth could become pregnant, since she is "stricken with years." Gabriel makes him "dumb" just for asking. 1:20
  2. Those who fail to bear "good fruit" will be "hewn down, and cast into the fire." 3:9
  3. John the Baptist says that Christ will burn the damned "with fire unquenchable." 3:17
  4. Jesus heals a naked man who was possessed by many devils by sending the devils into a herd of pigs, causing them to run off a cliff and drown in the sea. This messy, cruel, and expensive (for the owners of the pigs) treatment did not favorably impress the local residents, and Jesus was asked to leave. 8:27-37
  5. Jesus says that entire cities will be violently destroyed and the inhabitants "thrust down to hell" for not "receiving" his disciples. 10:10-15
  6. Jesus says that we should fear God since he has the power to kill us and then torture us forever in hell. 12:5
  7. Jesus says that God is like a slave-owner who beats his slaves "with many stripes." 12:46-47
  8. "Except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish." 13:3, 5
  9. According to Jesus, only a few will be saved; the vast majority will suffer eternally in hell where "there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." 13:23-30
  10. In the parable of the rich man and Lazarus, the rich man goes to hell, because as Abraham explains, he had a good life on earth and so now he will be tormented. Whereas Lazarus, who was miserable on earth, is now in heaven. This seems fair to Jesus. 16:19-31
  11. Jesus believed the story of Noah's ark. He thought it really happened and had no problem with the idea of God drowning everything and everybody. 17:26-27
  12. Jesus also believes the story about Sodom's destruction. He says, "even thus shall it be in the day the son of man is revealed ... Remember Lot's wife." This tells us about Jesus' knowledge of science and history, and his sense of justice. 17:29-32
  13. In the parable of the talents, Jesus says that God takes what is not rightly his, and reaps what he didn't sow. The parable ends with the words: "bring them [those who preferred not to be ruled by him] hither, and slay them before me." 19:22-27
  14. Jesus tells his disciples to eat his body and drink his blood. 22:19-20
John
  1. Jesus believed the stupid and vicious story from Numbers 21. (God sent snakes to bite the people for complaining about the lack of food and water. Then God told Moses to make a brass snake to cure them from the bites.) 3:14
  2. "God so loved the world, that he gave his His only begotten Son."
    As an example to parents everywhere and to save the world (from himself), God had his own son tortured and killed. 3:16
  3. People are damned or saved depending only on what they believe. 3:18, 36
  4. The "wrath of God" is on all unbelievers. 3:36
  5. Jesus believes people are crippled by God as a punishment for sin. He tells a crippled man, after healing him, to "sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee." 5:14
  6. Those who do not believe in Jesus will be cast into a fire to be burned. 15:6
  7. Jesus says we must eat his flesh and drink his blood if we want to have eternal life. This idea was just too gross for "many of his disciples" and "walked no more with him." (They are called Protestants nowadays.) 6:53-66
Acts
  1. Peter claims that Dt 18:18-19 refers to Jesus, saying that those who refuse to follow him (all non-Christians) must be killed. 3:23
  2. Peter and God scare Ananias and his wife to death for not forking over all of the money that they made when selling their land. 5:1-10
  3. Peter has a dream in which God show him "wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls." The voice (God's?) says, "Rise, Peter: kill and eat." 10:10-13
  4. Peter describes the vision that he had in the last chapter (10:10-13). All kinds of beasts, creeping things, and fowls drop down from the sky in a big sheet, and a voice (God's, Satan's?) tells him to "Arise, Peter; slay and eat." 11:5-10
  5. The "angel of the Lord" killed Herod by having him "eaten of worms" because "he gave not God the glory." 12:23
  6. David was "a man after [God's] own heart." 13:22
  7. The author of Acts talks about the "sure mercies of David." But David was anything but merciful. For an example of his behavior see 2 Sam 12:31 and 1 Chr 20:3, where he saws, hacks, and burns to death the inhabitants of several cities. 13:34
  8. Paul and the Holy Ghost conspire together to make Elymas (the sorcerer) blind. 13:8-11
Romans
  1. Homosexuals (those "without natural affection") and their supporters (those "that have pleasure in them") are "worthy of death" - - along with gossips, boasters, and disobedient children. 1:31-32
  2. The guilty are "justified" and "saved from wrath" by the blood of an innocent victim. 5:9
  3. God punishes everyone for someone else's sin; then he saves them by killing an innocent victim. 5:12
  4. "If ... we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son", then God is truly a monster. 5:10
1 Corinthians
  1. If you defile the temple of God, God will destroy you. 3:17
  2. Paul claims that God killed 23,000 in a plague for "committing whoredom with the daughters of Moab 10:8
  3. If you tempt Christ (How could you tempt Christ?), you'll will die from snake bites. 10:9
  4. If you murmur, you'll be destroyed by the destroyer (God). 10:10
2 Corinthians
  1. The terror of the Lord 5:11
Galatians
  1. If anyone dares to disagree with Paul on religious matters, "let him be accursed." 1:8-9
Ephesians
  1. We are predestined by God to go to either heaven or hell. None of our thoughts, words, or actions can affect the final outcome. 1:4-5, 11
  2. God had his son murdered to keep himself from hurting others for things they didn't do. 1:7
  3. The bloody death of Jesus smelled good to God. 5:2
  4. Those who refuse to obey will face the wrath of God. 5:6
Philippians
Colossians
  1. God bought us with someone else's blood. 1:14
  2. God makes peace through blood. 1:19-20
1 Thessalonians
  1. God is planning a messy, mass murder in "the wrath to come" and only Jesus can save you from it. 1:10
  2. Christians shouldn't mourn the death of their fellow believers. They'll be OK and you'll see them later in heaven. The people you should mourn are dead nonbelievers. They have no hope (because they're going to hell). 4:13
2 Thessalonians
  1. Jesus will take "vengeance on them that know not God" by burning them forever "in flaming fire." 1:7-9
  2. Jesus will "consume" the wicked "with the spirit of his mouth." 2:8
  3. God will cause us to believe lies so that he can damn our souls to hell. 2:11-12
1 Timothy
2 Timothy
Titus
Philemon
Hebrews
  1. "That which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned."
    Apostates will burn in hell with the other non-believers. 6:8
  2. "Melchisedec ... met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him."
    God showed his approval of "the slaughter of the kings" with Melchisedec's blessing of Abraham. (Genesis 14:17-18) 7:1
  3. God will not forgive anyone unless something is killed for him in a bloody manner. 9:13-22
  4. "A certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries."
    God will soon destroy non-believers in a fiery hell. 10:27
  5. Those who disobeyed the Old Testament law were killed without mercy. It will be much worse for those who displease Jesus. 10:28-29
  6. "Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord." 10:30
  7. "It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God." 10:31
  8. "Abraham ... offered up Isaac ... his only begotten son." (And this was a good thing? How ****ed up is that?) 11:17
  9. The Israelites kept the passover and sprinkled blood on doorposts so that God wouldn't kill their firstborn children (like he did the Egyptians in Exodus 12:29). 11:28
  10. God saved Rahab because she believed. (He killed all the non-believers in Jericho.) 11:31
  11. "Time would fail me to tell of Gideon, and of Barak, and of Samson, and of Jephthah; of David also, and Samuel, and of the prophets."
    The heroes of faith: Gideon, Samson, Jephthah, David, and Samuel. It would be hard to find a more monstrous group than these guys. 11:32
  12. "Others were tortured ... that they might obtain a better resurrection." 11:35
  13. God ordered animals to be "stoned, or thrust through with a dart" if they "so much as ... touch the mountain." 12:20
  14. "Ye are come ... to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things that that of Abel." 12:22-24
James
  1. James says Abraham was justified by works (for being willing to kill his son for God); Paul (Romans 4:2-3) says he was justified by faith (for believing that God would order him to do such an evil act). 2:21
1 Peter
  1. We are all, according to Peter, predestined to be saved or damned. We have no say in the matter. It was all determined by "the sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ."1:2
  2. "The precious blood of Christ ... was foreordained before the foundation of the world."
    God planned to kill Jesus from the get-go. 1:19-20
  3. God drowned everyone on earth except for Noah and his family. 3:20
2 Peter
  1. God drowned everyone else on earth except for Noah and his family. 2:5, 3:6
  2. "Turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes" 2:6
  3. God will set the entire earth on fire so that he can burn non-believers to death. 3:7
  4. When Jesus returns, he'll burn up the whole earth and everything on it. 3:10
1 John
  1. Christians are washed in the blood of Jesus. 1:7
2 John
3 John
Jude
  1. "The Lord destroyed them that believed not." 5
  2. God sent "eternal fire" on the people of Sodom and Gomorrah for "going after strange flesh." 7-8
Revelation
  1. Jesus "washed us ... with his own blood." 1:5
  2. Everyone on earth will wail because of Jesus. 1:7
  3. Jesus has "the keys of hell and death." 1:18
  4. Repent -- or else Jesus will fight you with the sword that sticks out of his mouth. (Like the limbless knight in Monty Python's "Holy Grail.") 2:16
  5. "I [Jesus] will kill her children with death." 2:23
  6. "Thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created." God created parasites, pathogens, and predators for his very own pleasure. One of his favorite species is guinea worms. 4:11
  7. "Thou art worthy ... for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood." 5:9
  8. God gives someone on a white horse a bow and sends him out to conquer people. 6:2
  9. God gave power to someone on a red horse "to take from the earth ... that they should kill one another." 6:4
  10. God tells Death and Hell to kill one quarter of the earth's population with the sword, starvation, and "with the beasts of the earth." 6:8
  11. The martyrs just can't wait until everyone else is slaughtered. God gives them a white robe and tells them to wait until he's done with his killing spree. 6:10-11
  12. God tells his murderous angels to "hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of your God on their foreheads." This verse is one that Christians like to use to show God's loving concern for the environment. But the previous verse (7:2) makes it clear that it was their God-given job to "hurt the earth and the sea" just as soon as they finished their forehead marking job. 7:3
  13. 144,000 Jews will be going to heaven; everyone else is going to hell. 7:4
  14. Those that survive the great tribulation will get to wash their clothes in the blood of the lamb. 7:14
  15. God sends his angels to destroy a third part of all the trees, grass, sea creature, mountains, sun, moon, starts, and water. 8:7-13
  16. "Many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter." 8:11
  17. The angels are instructed not to "hurt the grass [how could they? He already had all the grass killed in 8:7] ... but only those men which have not the seal of God on their foreheads." God tells his angels not to kill them, but rather torment them with scorpions for five months. Those tormented will want to die, but God won't let them. 9:4-6
  18. God makes some horse-like locusts with human heads, women's hair, lion's teeth, and scorpion's tails. They sting people and hurt them for five months. 9:7-10
  19. Four angels, with an army of 200 million, killed a third of the earth's population. 9:15-19
  20. Anyone that messes with God's two olive trees and two candlesticks (God's witnesses) will be burned to death by fire that comes out of their mouths. 11:3-5
  21. God's witnesses have special powers. They can shut up heaven so that it cannot rain, turn rivers into blood, and smite the earth with plagues "as often as they will." 11:6
  22. After God's witnesses "have finished their testimony," they are killed in a war with a beast from a bottomless pit. 11:7
  23. The bodies of God's witnesses will lie unburied for three and a half days. People will "rejoice over them and make merry, and shall send gifts to one another." After another three and half days God brings his witnesses back to life and they ascend into heaven. 11:8-12
  24. When the witnesses ascend into heaven, an earthquake kills 7000 men. This was the second woe. "The third woe cometh quickly." 11:13-14
  25. "The Lamb slain from the foundation of the world"
    God planned to kill Jesus before he created the world. 13:8
  26. Those who receive the mark of the beast will "drink of the wine of the wrath of God ... and shall be tormented with fire and brimstone ... and the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever." 14:10-11
  27. Jesus sits on a white cloud with a sharp sickle in his hand. When the angel tells him to reap, he kills all the people with his sickle. 14:14-18
  28. "The great winepress of the wrath of God ... was trodden ... and the blood cam out of the winepress, even unto the horses bridles." 14:19-20
  29. Seven angels with seven plagues are filled with the wrath of God. 15:1, 7
  30. The seven vials of wrath: 1) sores, 2) sea turned to blood, 3) rivers turned to blood, 4) people scorched with fire, 5) people gnaw their tongues in pain, 6) Euphrates dries up, 7) thunder, lightning, earthquake, and hail. 16:1
  31. "There fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast." 16:2
  32. "The second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea." 16:3
  33. "The third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood." 16:4
  34. God gave the saints and prophets blood to drink. 16:6
  35. Another angel tells God how righteous he is because he gives saints blood to drink. 16:7
  36. "Power was given unto him [the fourth angel] to scorch men with fire." 16:8
  37. Those who were being burned to death by God didn't repent "to give him glory." 16:9
  38. "The fifth angel poured out his vial ... and they gnawed their tongues for pain." 16:10
  39. Even after being burned alive, those nasty people wouldn't repent! 16:11
  40. Christians will fight in the war between Jesus and those allied with the beast. 17:14
  41. "They shall eat her flesh and burn her with fire." (Are they going to eat her first and then burn her?) 17:16-17
  42. To punish her God will send plagues and famine, and "she will be utterly burned with fire." 18:8
  43. God will send plagues, death, and famine on Babylon, and the kings "who have committed fornication with her" will be sad to see her burn. 18:8-9
  44. Jesus makes war. 19:11
  45. Jesus' clothes are dipped in blood and his secret name ("that no man knew") is "The Word of God". (I bet you thought it was Jesus!) 19:13
  46. With eyes aflame, many crowns on his head, clothes dripping with blood, a sword sticking out of his mouth, and a secret name, Jesus leads the faithful in heaven into holy war on earth. 19:14-15
  47. "Come ... unto the supper of the great God." An angel calls all the fowls to feast upon the flesh of dead horses and human bodies, "both free and bond, both small and great." 19:17-18
  48. The beast and the false prophet are cast alive into a lake of fire. The rest were killed with the sword of Jesus. "And all the fowls were filled with their flesh." 19:20-21
  49. God will send fire from heaven to devour people. And the devil will be tormented "day and night for ever and ever." 20:9-10
  50. Whoever isn't found listed in the book of life will be cast into the lake of fire. 20:15
  51. All liars, as well as those who are fearful or unbelieving, will be cast into "the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone." 21:8

New Testament Cruelty
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Beginning with this one:

From Matthew 5:

16 In the same way, let your light shine before men, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in heaven. 17Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them, but to fulfill them. 18For I tell you truly, until heaven and earth pass away, not a single jot, not a stroke of a pen, will disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.…


Romans 3:31
Do we, then, nullify the Law by this faith? By no means! Instead, we uphold Law.

In accordance with the Bible, Jesus(a.s.) Did not abolish, or abrogate the past laws. Which means Jesus(a.s.) Approved of all the past laws.

Such as:


10. 2 Kings 2:23-24

He [Elisha] went up from there to Bethel; and while he was going up on the way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him, saying, “Go away, baldhead! Go away, baldhead!” When he turned around and saw them, he cursed them in the name of the LORD. Then two she-bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the boys. (NRSV)


9. Exodus 32:27-29

Then he said to them, "This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: 'Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and neighbor.' "The Levites did as Moses commanded, and that day about three thousand of the people died. Then Moses said, "You have been set apart to the LORD today, for you were against your own sons and brothers, and he has blessed you this day."(NIV)
I am very familiar with the listings from the Skeptic_Annotated site.
The listings are very useful as crude indicators as titled but it is not accurate.
The various analysis [of evils] on the Quran which are also available in that site.
This listing is not very precise, that is why I am doing my own analysis.

Muslims should have a read of the following listings.
Skeptic's Annotated Quran

To topic:
In your use of the listing you are way off my point i.e.
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Quote me a glaring verse from the Gospels of Jesus where he exhorted Christians to fight and kill non-Christians if they are a threat to Christianity.
Note Gospels of Jesus, therefore those from the OT are off my point.
Gospels of Jesus meant the equivalent Injil, thus the Acts and Epistles are out.

Glaring verse = a very direct verse that condone killing another human being.
There are none in the Gospels of Jesus.

Even if there is a slightest inkling of such a verse, it is overriden by the absolute pacifist moral maxims of Jesus, i.e. love your enemies, Thou Shall Not Kill! [period], give the other cheeks, etc.
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Old 08-20-2016, 10:17 PM
 
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I am very familiar with the listings from the Skeptic_Annotated site.
The listings are very useful as crude indicators as titled but it is not accurate.
The various analysis [of evils] on the Quran which are also available in that site.
This listing is not very precise, that is why I am doing my own analysis.

Muslims should have a read of the following listings.
Skeptic's Annotated Quran

To topic:
In your use of the listing you are way off my point i.e.


Note Gospels of Jesus, therefore those from the OT are off my point.
Gospels of Jesus meant the equivalent Injil, thus the Acts and Epistles are out.

Glaring verse = a very direct verse that condone killing another human being.
There are none in the Gospels of Jesus.

Even if there is a slightest inkling of such a verse, it is overriden by the absolute pacifist moral maxims of Jesus, i.e. love your enemies, Thou Shall Not Kill! [period], give the other cheeks, etc.
The problem with that is the Injil (Gospel of Jesus) was not included in the Bible. Instead we have "The Gospel of Matthew" The Gospel of John" "The Gospel of Mark" and "The Gospel of Luke" it is possible they contain some quotes from "The Gospel of Jesus" but we have no way of knowing.

I disagree that the OT is not relevant as Mark 5 and others do state the old laws remain applicable and will until the Earth and heavens pass away.
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The problem with that is the Injil (Gospel of Jesus) was not included in the Bible. Instead we have "The Gospel of Matthew" The Gospel of John" "The Gospel of Mark" and "The Gospel of Luke" it is possible they contain some quotes from "The Gospel of Jesus" but we have no way of knowing.
That is why I stated 'equivalent' to what is understood as 'Injil'. Thus it should at least exclude the Acts and Epistles.

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I disagree that the OT is not relevant as Mark 5 and others do state the old laws remain applicable and will until the Earth and heavens pass away.
This is your personal views against so many other opposing views.

The general view of Christians is the NT abrogated the OT and thus the NT's elements prevailed where it matters in terms of humanity's basic rights and morals.
In addition we don't hear of Christians committing evils and violence in the name of Jesus or in direct reference to the OT. [if any they are very rare]. Thus it show in reality the NT is strong in force [has teeth].

In contrast, there is so much terrible evils and violence committed in the name of Islam and based on the verses in the Quran. When these evil prone Muslims insist their acts are in accordance to Islam and the Quran [sanctioned by Allah], no one can judge whether they are right or wrong. So such terrible evils will continue to be committed till eternity on an increasing basis as long as Islam and evil prone Muslims exist.
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In addition we don't hear of Christians committing evils and violence in the name of Jesus or in direct reference to the OT. [if any they are very rare]. Thus it show in reality the NT is strong in force [has teeth].
G.W. Bush was certainly going further than that; he was acting like a Christian prophet when he mentioned that God was telling him to invade Iraq and Afghanistan.

Bush: God told me to invade Iraq | Americas | News | The Independent

Tony Blair viewed his decision to go to war in Iraq and Kosovo as part of a "Christian battle", according to one of his closest political allies.

Tony Blair believed God wanted him to go to war to fight evil, claims his mentor - Telegraph

Thus these two Christian leaders were waging war in the name of their "God".

It is so easy to blame Muslims for being guided by Allah but not the Christians being guided by their God even though they made it quite clear.
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In addition we don't hear of Christians committing evils and violence in the name of Jesus or in direct reference to the OT*. [if any they are very rare]. Thus it show in reality the NT is strong in force [has teeth].

In contrast, there is so much terrible evils and violence committed in the name of Islam and based on the verses in the Quran. When these evil prone Muslims insist their acts are in accordance to Islam and the Quran [sanctioned by Allah], no one can judge whether they are right or wrong. So such terrible evils will continue to be committed till eternity on an increasing basis as long as Islam and evil prone Muslims exist.
*I meant NT.

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G.W. Bush was certainly going further than that; he was acting like a Christian prophet when he mentioned that God was telling him to invade Iraq and Afghanistan.

Bush: God told me to invade Iraq | Americas | News | The Independent

Tony Blair viewed his decision to go to war in Iraq and Kosovo as part of a "Christian battle", according to one of his closest political allies.

Tony Blair believed God wanted him to go to war to fight evil, claims his mentor - Telegraph

Thus these two Christian leaders were waging war in the name of their "God".

It is so easy to blame Muslims for being guided by Allah but not the Christians being guided by their God even though they made it quite clear.
You views above are based on very extreme ignorance.

First GW Bush was then a representative of the people of USA which comprised believers from many religions, the majority being Christians but there are ~6 million Muslims and various % of other believers. Therefore when Bush or Blair spoke they are speaking on their behalf as their elected leaders and not for themselves personally. In this case, Bush was not speaking on behalf of the Christians' God but God-in-General that represent all religions including Islam.

Now if you accuse GW Bush as speaking as a Christian leader than you are technically wrong because the President of the USA in representing people is not speaking from a personal basis.
GW cannot speak as a Christian Leader at all.
A Christian Leader would be for example, a leader like the Pope who represent the Catholics and other leaders of the various denominations.

Now if you take it that Bush and Blair are Christian Leaders [which is very stupid], even then they are not speaking truly from the Christianity doctrine because Jesus never exhort Christians to go to war at all.
Note my earlier point;
"we don't hear of Christians committing evils and violence in the name of Jesus or in direct reference to verses from the NT* {*edited}."

Get it?
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*I meant NT.

You views above are based on very extreme ignorance.

First GW Bush was then a representative of the people of USA which comprised believers from many religions, the majority being Christians but there are ~6 million Muslims and various % of other believers. Therefore when Bush or Blair spoke they are speaking on their behalf as their elected leaders and not for themselves personally. In this case, Bush was not speaking on behalf of the Christians' God but God-in-General that represent all religions including Islam.

Now if you accuse GW Bush as speaking as a Christian leader than you are technically wrong because the President of the USA in representing people is not speaking from a personal basis.
GW cannot speak as a Christian Leader at all.
A Christian Leader would be for example, a leader like the Pope who represent the Catholics and other leaders of the various denominations.

Now if you take it that Bush and Blair are Christian Leaders [which is very stupid], even then they are not speaking truly from the Christianity doctrine because Jesus never exhort Christians to go to war at all.
Note my earlier point;
"we don't hear of Christians committing evils and violence in the name of Jesus or in direct reference to verses from the NT* {*edited}."

Get it?
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"we don't hear of Christians committing evils and violence in the name of Jesus or in direct reference to verses from the NT*
You would if you were a non-Christian living in the Tripura region of India, or in the Central African Republic, or belonged to an African Tribal Religion in Kenya, Uganda or Nigeria.
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You would if you were a non-Christian living in the Tripura region of India, or in the Central African Republic, or belonged to an African Tribal Religion in Kenya, Uganda or Nigeria.
Note, I stated in [] it would rare if any.

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In addition we don't hear of Christians committing evils and violence in the name of Jesus or in direct reference to the NT. [if any they are very rare]. Thus it show in reality the NT is strong in force [has teeth].
Even if there are any of such statements, they are wrong because there are no verses in the NT that exhort Christians to go to war to kill non-Christians.

In addition, within the NT there is the absolute pacifist moral maxim of 'Thou Shall Not Kill' in addition to' love your enemies', etc. that place a limit and overriding limit on killing another human being.
Therefore regardless of how SOME Christians associate Christianity, Bible and Jesus, there is no way we can directly blame Christianity, Bible or Jesus for their evil deeds.

On the other hand, the Quran [in part not wholly] is to be blamed for the evil deeds of SOME evil prone Muslims who are directly influenced and inspired by the evil laden elements [without an overriding limit] to commit terrible evils and violence on non-Muslims and other Muslims.
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*I meant NT.

You views above are based on very extreme ignorance.

First GW Bush was then a representative of the people of USA which comprised believers from many religions, the majority being Christians but there are ~6 million Muslims and various % of other believers. Therefore when Bush or Blair spoke they are speaking on their behalf as their elected leaders and not for themselves personally. In this case, Bush was not speaking on behalf of the Christians' God but God-in-General that represent all religions including Islam.

Now if you accuse GW Bush as speaking as a Christian leader than you are technically wrong because the President of the USA in representing people is not speaking from a personal basis.
GW cannot speak as a Christian Leader at all.
When Christian Bush and Christian Blair mentioned their God urging them to war, they were not speaking of Allah urging them to attack Muslims.

You are ignorant if you think that they were speaking from a personal basis but the terrorists are not speaking from a personal basis.

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A Christian Leader would be for example, a leader like the Pope who represent the Catholics and other leaders of the various denominations.

Now if you take it that Bush and Blair are Christian Leaders [which is very stupid], even then they are not speaking truly from the Christianity doctrine because Jesus never exhort Christians to go to war at all.
Note my earlier point;
"we don't hear of Christians committing evils and violence in the name of Jesus or in direct reference to verses from the NT* {*edited}."

Get it?
Funny how you lot twist things this way about self-professed Christians being guided by God to war and destruction but none of the terrorists are rejected as representative of Islam.
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Old 08-22-2016, 07:59 PM
 
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When Christian Bush and Christian Blair mentioned their God urging them to war, they were not speaking of Allah urging them to attack Muslims.
Btw, I don't recall Blair mentioned God at all. Officially it is the British Government that supported the US Government then.
The Iraq war has nothing to do with the Christian God at all because there are no verses in the NT that sanction any Christian to go to war to kill non-Christians or other Christians.
Note in additional the Foreign Minister of Iraq then, Tariq Aziz was a Christian. So it cannot be a case of Christians attacking Muslims.

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You are ignorant if you think that they were speaking from a personal basis but the terrorists are not speaking from a personal basis.
At the time when GWB spoke publicly it was taken he was speaking as President of the United States. Btw, he was condemned by many Americans for that statement. He did not qualify he was speaking on a personal basis.

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Funny how you lot twist things this way about self-professed Christians being guided by God to war and destruction but none of the terrorists are rejected as representative of Islam.
I am stating facts.
GWB did not quote any verses from the NT. There are 2+ billion Christians around the world and all can make all sorts of claims. There are so many Christians psycho who claimed their God asked them to kill so and so. How can we simply accept that. To be objective and certain as to what is attributed to Christianity, one has to verify the claims to the verses of the NT. This is so obvious.

On the other hand, the evil prone Muslims who committed terrible evils and violence quote from verses in the holy Quran to justify their acts.
The fact is these evil laden verses that are quoted by the evil prone Muslims do exist in the Quran whilst the contexts are contested by SOME other Muslims. In addition there are tons of other evil laden verses that support those specifically quoted evil laden verses.
The Quran also presented these evil laden verses in a DUCK-RABBIT dualistic two-truths conditions. Because Allah is will not be around at all to confirm the specific meaning of the verses, no one on Earth can judge the evil prone Muslims' acts are right or wrong. To the evil prone Muslims, what they have acted upon is right in the eyes of Allah and they will be rewarded greatly as promised by Allah in the Quran.

Show me what is wrong with my objective presentation above?

On the other hand, your views are very distorted and irrational because as a believer you MUST be bias to the extent you have to present irrational and illogical statements if necessary to feel that existential ease in your 'breast.'
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