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Old 08-08-2016, 02:10 PM
 
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So 43:31 revealed Muhammad was merely a local guy known by the Qureshi for 40 years and there is no way he was inspired divinely.
Mindset of unbelievers hasn't changed for the past 1400 years.

Did you expect, like the Quraishi 1400 years ago, an angel to come to the Quraish instead of a man before they could believe he was inspired divinely?

[17.94] And nothing prevented people from believing when the guidance came to them except that they said: What! Has Allah raised up a mortal to be a messenger?

[17.95] Say: Had there been in the earth angels walking about as settlers, We would certainly have sent down to them from the heaven an angel as a messenger.
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Old 08-08-2016, 10:05 PM
 
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As we are not to pay Homage to Muhammad(saws) or any other Human, we do not dwell upon the miracles he performed.

But some that have been reported by witnesses:

Miracles of the Holy Prophet Muhammad

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracles_of_Muhammad

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It is not a question of dwelling upon the miracles. It is explicit in the Quran the messenger do not perform miracles as expected by the conventional believers. All sorts of excuses are given when Muhammad could not performed the expected miracles.
Therefore those listed miracles attributed to the messenger are in contra to the words of Allah in the Quran.

The point is the previous prophets performed miracles to substantiate their divine credibility so why not Muhammad?

The fact that Muhammad could not performed miracles as demanded by the Qureshi is because he was not a real messenger of God but merely an ordinary man who merely claimed to have divine relation with Allah. Initially Muhammad was scared like hell of his experiences of altered states of consciousness and it was only his wife who consoled him and with others convinced him he was the messenger.
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Old 08-08-2016, 10:12 PM
 
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Mindset of unbelievers hasn't changed for the past 1400 years.

Did you expect, like the Quraishi 1400 years ago, an angel to come to the Quraish instead of a man before they could believe he was inspired divinely?

[17.94] And nothing prevented people from believing when the guidance came to them except that they said: What! Has Allah raised up a mortal to be a messenger?

[17.95] Say: Had there been in the earth angels walking about as settlers, We would certainly have sent down to them from the heaven an angel as a messenger.
Yes, the basic mindset and rationality of unbelievers has not changed since 1,400 years ago but obvious the demands and conditions of claims of divinity is definitely higher.

If God being all powerful has selected a man or woman to be the messenger of God, surely it is not a problem for God to endow that person with supernatural powers that can be proven without a shadow of doubt.
I am not expecting specifically an angel to appear, but for whatever the reason a person want to claim s/he is a messenger of God now, then show justified proofs.

Note the Randi foundation has offered $1 million for any one to prove the existence of supernatural power from God or wherever. So far no one is able to prove it.
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Old 08-08-2016, 10:49 PM
 
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Yes, the basic mindset and rationality of unbelievers has not changed since 1,400 years ago but obvious the demands and conditions of claims of divinity is definitely higher.

If God being all powerful has selected a man or woman to be the messenger of God, surely it is not a problem for God to endow that person with supernatural powers that can be proven without a shadow of doubt.
I am not expecting specifically an angel to appear, but for whatever the reason a person want to claim s/he is a messenger of God now, then show justified proofs.

Note the Randi foundation has offered $1 million for any one to prove the existence of supernatural power from God or wherever. So far no one is able to prove it.
A similar thing was once demanded by those with Moses. They wanted to see God manifestly. One glimpse and they still did not believe. No proof to such is good enough proof. Like Jesus said, no more sign (proof) will be given to this wicked and adulterous generation except the sign of Jonah.

That's why there are unbelievers in this world since the Shaytan misled their parents otherwise all would have been like angels believing and worshiping 100%.
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Old 08-08-2016, 11:35 PM
 
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A similar thing was once demanded by those with Moses. They wanted to see God manifestly. One glimpse and they still did not believe. No proof to such is good enough proof. Like Jesus said, no more sign (proof) will be given to this wicked and adulterous generation except the sign of Jonah.

That's why there are unbelievers in this world since the Shaytan misled their parents otherwise all would have been like angels believing and worshiping 100%.
These are the usual excuses given in the Quran.

Since God is all powerful, it should not be difficult for God to endow his messenger [Muhammad] in this case to perform miracles to convince people who are naturally skeptical.
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Old 08-08-2016, 11:59 PM
 
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These are the usual excuses given in the Quran.

Since God is all powerful, it should not be difficult for God to endow his messenger [Muhammad] in this case to perform miracles to convince people who are naturally skeptical.
No amount of miracle performing has ever convinced all. They have been asking for miracles all the time but nothing has ever convinced all. The demand for more has never stopped.

[10.96] Surely those against whom the word of your Lord has proved true will not believe,

[10.97] Though every sign should come to them, until they witness the painful chastisement.
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Old 08-09-2016, 09:01 PM
 
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No amount of miracle performing has ever convinced all. They have been asking for miracles all the time but nothing has ever convinced all. The demand for more has never stopped.

[10.96] Surely those against whom the word of your Lord has proved true will not believe,

[10.97] Though every sign should come to them, until they witness the painful chastisement.
You gotta be ignorant on this.
Note the Muslims-of-old accepted the miracles of Moses, Jesus and other prophets and that is stated and confirmed in the Quran.

Note this re 17:59;


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vop5EIHmD_c
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