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Old 07-31-2016, 11:55 PM
 
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17:82. And We reveal of the Qur’an that which is a healing and a mercy for believers though it increase the evil doers [infidels] in naught [nothing] save [except] ruin.
What is 'that' and 'healing' refers to in the above 17:82?
What does 'mercy' refer to in this case?
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Old 08-01-2016, 02:13 AM
 
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17:82. And We reveal of the Qur’an that which is a healing and a mercy for believers though it increase the evil doers [infidels] in naught [nothing] save [except] ruin.
What is 'that' and 'healing' refers to in the above 17:82?
What does 'mercy' refer to in this case?
[17 :82]And We send down of the Qur'an that which is healing and mercy for the believers, but it does not increase the cruel ones except in loss.

There is "ruh" ("spirit") in the verses of the Qur'an which acts like a medicine to heal the wounds inflicted on the believers by their enemies (including the Shaytans). There is remembrance of Allah in these verses (which helps to have Taqwa:

[21.10] Certainly We have revealed to you a Book in which is your good remembrance; what! do you not then understand?

[13.28] Those who believe and whose hearts are set at rest by the remembrance of Allah; now surely by Allah's remembrance are the hearts set at rest.

[29.45] Recite that which has been revealed to you of the Book and keep up prayer; surely prayer keeps
(one) away from indecency and evil, and certainly the remembrance of Allah is the greatest, and Allah knows what you do.

[39.23] Allah has revealed the best Hadith, a book conformable in its various parts, repeating, whereat do shudder the skins of those who fear their Lord, then their skins and their hearts become pliant to the remembrance of Allah; this is Allah's guidance, He guides with it whom He pleases; and
(as for) him whom Allah makes err, there is no guide for him.

This is a free medicine (so to speak) as a mercy from Allah.
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Old 08-01-2016, 08:17 PM
 
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[17 :82]And We send down of the Qur'an that which is healing and mercy for the believers, but it does not increase the cruel ones except in loss.

There is "ruh" ("spirit") in the verses of the Qur'an which acts like a medicine to heal the wounds inflicted on the believers by their enemies (including the Shaytans). There is remembrance of Allah in these verses (which helps to have Taqwa:

[21.10] Certainly We have revealed to you a Book in which is your good remembrance; what! do you not then understand?

[13.28] Those who believe and whose hearts are set at rest by the remembrance of Allah; now surely by Allah's remembrance are the hearts set at rest.

[29.45] Recite that which has been revealed to you of the Book and keep up prayer; surely prayer keeps
(one) away from indecency and evil, and certainly the remembrance of Allah is the greatest, and Allah knows what you do.

[39.23] Allah has revealed the best Hadith, a book conformable in its various parts, repeating, whereat do shudder the skins of those who fear their Lord, then their skins and their hearts become pliant to the remembrance of Allah; this is Allah's guidance, He guides with it whom He pleases; and
(as for) him whom Allah makes err, there is no guide for him.

This is a free medicine (so to speak) as a mercy from Allah.
"acts like a medicine to heal the wounds "
Free Medicine??


Healing is associated with wounds but you are totally wrong, lost and off target in this case of 17:82, because you have ONLY read the Quran 6-7 times at one go.

Note this related verse;
And if We had appointed it a Lecture in a foreign tongue they would assuredly have said: If only its verses were expounded (so that we might understand)? What! A foreign tongue and an Arab? -
Say unto them (O Muhammad): For those who believe it is a guidance and a healing; and as for those who disbelieve, there is a deafness in their ears, and it is blindness for them. Such are called to from afar.
The healing in this context is related to healing the mental pains, fears anxieties and sufferings as result of the dread and anxiety of mortality [inevitable death] which Allah has kept threatening and reminding Muslims and disbelievers.
This threat and reminder of the terrible mental pains, fears and sufferings is all over the Quran and this is one of the central core element of the Quran and Islam.

These resulting terrible mental fears, anxieties are created by Allah by his whimsical Will and he offers his mercy of salvation via a "contract" [covenant] to only those who believe Allah.

Here are some verses related to the issue where the "healing" bring forth a state of ease to the terrible worries, mental pains, anxieties, sufferings, etc;
92:5-7 As for him [Muslim] who giveth and is dutiful (toward Allah),
and believeth in goodness; Surely We will ease his way unto the state of ease.

74:9-10 Surely that Day will be a day of anguish, Not of ease, for disbelievers. [infidels]

94:1. Have We not caused thy [Muhammad] bosom to dilate, [to receive greater truth and wisdom, lighten ignorance, reduce stress], 2. And eased thee [Muhammad] of the burden [mental strain and stress on the back], 3. Which weighed down thy [Muhammad's] back;
Note there are many other relevant verses to support the above point.

Free Medicine to heal wounds?

My point of raising 17:82 is to highlight this truth of this one [amongst others] central core element of the Quran and Islam.

Note all these "promises" of future immortality and rewards [cannot be proven] are not that critical, what is critical [and real that is experienced at the present moment] is the psychological burden and mental pains that the Muslims are unconsciously very concern with and strive desperately to seek ease and comfort for those terrible mental sufferings.

But because of those unprovable promises that brought ease, SOME Muslims go on rampage of terrible evils and violence merely to protect some illusional false promises that cannot be proven at all.

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Old 08-02-2016, 05:27 PM
 
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"acts like a medicine to heal the wounds "
Free Medicine??


Healing is associated with wounds but you are totally wrong, lost and off target in this case of 17:82, because you have ONLY read the Quran 6-7 times at one go.

Note this related verse;
And if We had appointed it a Lecture in a foreign tongue they would assuredly have said: If only its verses were expounded (so that we might understand)? What! A foreign tongue and an Arab? -
Say unto them (O Muhammad): For those who believe it is a guidance and a healing; and as for those who disbelieve, there is a deafness in their ears, and it is blindness for them. Such are called to from afar.
The healing in this context is related to healing the mental pains, fears anxieties and sufferings as result of the dread and anxiety of mortality [inevitable death] which Allah has kept threatening and reminding Muslims and disbelievers.
"Dread and anxiety of mortality"? Are you immortal and only the Muslims mortals?

Muslims are not afraid of dying. You should know better. Every soul shall tasted death.

You totally ignored the verses I had posted about remembrance of Allah. The Qur'an is not a medicine for mental pain. Do not prescribe it to anyone with mental pain!!!
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Old 08-02-2016, 09:20 PM
 
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"Dread and anxiety of mortality"? Are you immortal and only the Muslims mortals?

Muslims are not afraid of dying. You should know better. Every soul shall tasted death.

You totally ignored the verses I had posted about remembrance of Allah. The Qur'an is not a medicine for mental pain. Do not prescribe it to anyone with mental pain!!!
Note my post on this where I advise you on the subject of fear as an emotion and the fear of death as one of the strongest and most powerful emotion in all humans.

http://www.city-data.com/forum/44992116-post4.html

All human are afraid of dying which is inevitable, the differences are the degrees of such fears being inhibit and suppress, and emerging to one conscious awareness.

I assert, I am 100% certain, for practical purposes, the ultimate purpose of the Quran [like any other holy texts within religion] is a 'medicine' for conscious or subliminal mental pains. This is reflected all over the Quran. You cannot understand it because you have read the Quran only 6-7 times and in addition you MUST be bias against the truths of reality.
The rest of purposes you gather of the Quran are mere window dressings and diversions.

I would prescribe religions for the majority of humans who has that specific inevitable mental pains arising from the natural fears of death [not worries about financial matters, etc.] and their control of such fears are not effective.
However I would have reservations recommending Islam because it has [in PART] evil laden elements which can influence SOME evil prone people.

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Muslims are not afraid of dying.
Wrong!!

This is a critical point.
As I had explained the fear of dying is always there in the brains of ALL humans because death in inevitable and unavoidable.
Why Muslims say they are not dying is merely superficially suppress by clinging to Islam and the promise of Allah on giving them eternal life. I am sure all Muslims still fear dying but for most they are not conscious of these fear at all times.

Theory: If you take away Islam from Muslims, then that fear of death impulses will manifest greatly.
This is why SOME Muslims will go to the extend of killing and genocidal killings when they perceived any threat to their beliefs. Any threat to Islam will take away that protecting and inhibiting element that suppress that fear of dying in Muslims.

It would be the same for many believers of other non-Islamic religions. If there is any threat to their religion, they will feel insecure because the fear of permanent death is manifesting. BUT the fortunate thing is their religion do not sanction the killing of those who threatened the religion. This is because of the absolute moral maxim that override all circumstances.

On the fear of death/dying, note my various views in this two threads in the Philosophy Section;

I am afraid of death / eternal oblivion.
I am afraid of death / eternal oblivion.

I don't understand how people have the courage to kill themselves.
I don't understand how people have the courage to kill themselves.

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Old 08-02-2016, 11:16 PM
 
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10:57. O mankind! There hath come unto you an exhortation from your Lord, a balm for that which is in the breasts, a guidance [Quran] and a mercy for believers.
What does Allah meant by 'balm' for 'THAT which is the breast.'
What is 'THAT' in the above context?
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Old 08-04-2016, 05:21 PM
 
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10:57. O mankind! There hath come unto you an exhortation from your Lord, a balm for that which is in the breasts, a guidance [Quran] and a mercy for believers.
What does Allah meant by 'balm' for 'THAT which is the breast.'
What is 'THAT' in the above context?
I am glad you are searching why I had quoted certain verses about remembrance of Allah. You are getting closer to understanding them.

As for 10:57, why should someone prescribe balm for that which is in the breasts (chests) when someone has mental pain?
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Old 08-06-2016, 10:37 PM
 
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I am glad you are searching why I had quoted certain verses about remembrance of Allah. You are getting closer to understanding them.

As for 10:57, why should someone prescribe balm for that which is in the breasts (chests) when someone has mental pain?
This is where you are ignorant because you do not understand the metaphors used in the Quran. Why? it is because you have only read the Quran 6-7 times which is very insufficient.

In the olden days, the 'heart' and 'breast' of 'men' [human] are always used to represent the central active element of what is a human being. You can read such metaphor in older poetry, literature and all elsewhere. The 'heart' [breast-chest] elements are still used today but that in reality is only metaphorically.
The reason for this is in the olden day and even at present, it is the heart-beat and breathing that are most noticeable in the event of dangers, threat, excitements, happiness, love, romance, sex, etc.

The fact is the central operating mechanics of humans are in the brain which is the mind as proven by modern neuroscience.
In fact, the reality is in the event of dangers, threat, excitements, happiness, etc. what is most critically active is what is going on in the brain and its neurons. The heart and breathing rate are merely the secondary responses and the noticeable effects.

Therefore the 'balm' mentioned in 10:57 is for ultimately for the mental pains in the brain/mind due to the existential dilemma. I suggest you reread the Quran with this [existential pain] in mind and you will not this is the most critical purpose of the Quran that is in line with the reality of human nature.
It is this existential related pain that SOME believers will go to the extent of giving up their life to avoid such 'pains'.
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Old 08-07-2016, 02:10 AM
 
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Verse 24:55-56 cover the Elements of the Covenant,
24:55.
Allah hath promised such of you [Muslim] as believe and do good works

that He will surely make them [Muslims] to succeed (the present rulers) in the Earth even as He caused those [proto-Muslims] who were before them to succeed others);

and that He [Allah] will surely establish for them [Muslims] their religion [deenahumu] which He hath approved for them [Muslims],

and will give them [Muslims] in exchange safety after their fear.

They [Muslims] serve Me.
They [Muslims] ascribe no thing as partner unto Me.
Those [infidels] who disbelieve henceforth, they [infidels] are the miscreants.

24:56.
[O ye Muslims] Establish worship and pay the poor due [zakat] and obey the messenger, that haply ye [Muslims] may find mercy.


What is central to the above is
" .. and will give them [Muslims] in exchange safety after their fear."

What Muslims like ALL human beings really seek is that safety after their fear" and this is related to the existential dilemma that is expressed in various forms.

Views?

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Old 08-07-2016, 05:14 PM
 
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This is where you are ignorant because you do not understand the metaphors used in the Quran. Why? it is because you have only read the Quran 6-7 times which is very insufficient.

In the olden days, the 'heart' and 'breast' of 'men' [human] are always used to represent the central active element of what is a human being. You can read such metaphor in older poetry, literature and all elsewhere. The 'heart' [breast-chest] elements are still used today but that in reality is only metaphorically.
The reason for this is in the olden day and even at present, it is the heart-beat and breathing that are most noticeable in the event of dangers, threat, excitements, happiness, love, romance, sex, etc.
Exactly!

That's why heart is mentioned so many times.

2 points:

1. You could be brain-dead but your heart could still be working and you still living.

2. Your brain could be fine but if your heart stops your brain can't work.

Heart is the crucial element for a living human being. Thus danger, threat, excitement, happiness, peace, love and fear is noticeable in the heart-beat and through the blood pressure. That's why the spiritual balm for your heart rather than for your mental pain.

[13.28] Those who believe and whose hearts are set at rest by the remembrance of Allah; now surely by Allah's remembrance are the hearts set at rest.
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