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Old 08-07-2016, 09:59 PM
Location: Not-a-Theist
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Originally Posted by Khalif View Post
You have real freewill but not absolute freewill. Only God has absolute freewill. You cannot have absolute freewill when you misuse your freewill. You cannot be God.

You have freewill in your own circle. You haven't done anything yet to be outside that circle or have absolute freewill.

You misunderstand the Qur'an.

You said, "according the Quran, believers [Muslims] think they have freewill but they do not realized they are already fated [predestined] and controlled by Allah who had already decided the infidels will be led astray by Allah."

Don't you realize that they did not become believers and infidels because they are already fated but they are fated because of their own actions?

They became believers or infidels first through their free choice (freewill). It is this free choice that decides one's fate. You begin with your own action of believing or unbelieving. Your fate is sealed only after that.

It is unconditional freewill that you decided to be an unbeliever. Did God or anyone else force you to be an unbeliever? No. You have freewill to believe or not to believe. Yes?
As I have shown above, ultimately it is Allah that deliberate lead unbelievers to be infidels, then torture them gleefully.

It is obvious all normal humans has the will to choose either to believe or not to believe, but that is only apparent in accordance to the Quran. Ultimately from the perspective of the Quran, humans do not have real [if we ignore absolute in this case] freewill at all.
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Old 08-07-2016, 10:07 PM
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No, Continuum, there is no such thing in the first quote.
Any faith is set forth by Consciousness, or level of it, in a mind. From that on, you may call that Consciousness Higher Intelligence, Supreme Being, God, Allah, does not matter. It's linguistics. It all refers to the same ultimate supreme entity.
Hence, without appropriate level of The Light of Intelligence, or God, Allah, in a mind, faith can not be set forth.
Those who limited amount of it in their minds, are unable to have the proper faith.
Understanding, comprehending true faith requires quite a Light in ones mind.

10:100. It is not for any soul to believe [be a Muslim] save [except] by the permission of Allah.( by presence of certain level of intelligence and comprehension in a mind) He hath set [cast, lay] uncleanness [disbelief, astray] upon those [infidels] who have no sense [understanding]. as their minds are not capable of understanding due to lack of proper intelligence, or lack of "god" in minds.

I have no problem with this, I understand it loud and clear. Of course, as usual, this is convoluted into a religious jargon. Nothing new.
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Old 08-07-2016, 10:09 PM
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Btw, says who that every Muslim actually does have true faith? JUst like any Christian? Or Judaist? Or formal adherent to any other faith or religion?
As it been said, that only god has a measure.
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