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Old 08-24-2016, 10:43 PM
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Originally Posted by juju33312 View Post
Excellent point. Men can interpret 'highhandedness' however they want.
Excellent point! If a woman can interpret a woman's 'highhandedness' as you like doing here then men can too the way they like.

Originally Posted by juju33312 View Post
Your personal arbitrary assertions do not matter. What matters is the Quran (allah/muhammed) says it's OK to beat/hit women.
Excellent point! Your personal arbitrary assertions here do not matter. What matters is what the Qur'an guided me towards my wife. I have taken its guidance and treated my wife well; never beating her or even lightly hitting her as I have never feared 'highhandedness' from her.

Originally Posted by juju33312 View Post
Is there any mention of it being OK for wives to hit their husbands? No.
Is there any mention of it being OK for wives to be high-handed, arrogant, rebellious and have ill-will towards her husband? No.

Is there any mention in the Qur'an of wives going out to work and support their husbands financially as an obligation? No.

Originally Posted by juju33312 View Post
Can women have up to 4 husbands? No.
That's true, even men can't have 9 or 4 wives. I can have only One according to the Qur'an (4:3).

Only a most stupid woman will want to have 4 husbands. She will never get any sleep ever. She will spend the rest of her life complaining about men in this forum. Do I remind you of anyone?
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Old 08-27-2016, 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by juju33312 View Post
The verse says that "Ye have indeed in the Messenger of Allah a beautiful pattern (of conduct) for any one whose hope is in Allah and the Final Day, and who engages much in the Praise of Allah." (Qur'an 33:21)

It does not say "Many things that Muhammed did were wrong and you don't have to do them."

And it is obvious this isn't talking about haircuts or where to live. Can you tell the difference between moral issues and non-moral issues? Obviously not.

To allah, marrying many women was moral and should be done.

The quran goes on to say have several wives or, marry one of your slaves, which it seems you did.

The quran says to beat your wives if you fear arrogance, you see ill-conduct, ye fear rebellion, ye fear disloyalty, you fear desertion, you fear their non-compliance.

Muhammed hit his little sex toy child bride in the chest. Immoral.

It is wrong to rape children and beat them.

Muhammed's little child bride said:
"I have not seen any woman suffering as much as the believing women."

The abuse of women in Islam is horrible.

According to HRW 2013 report, Afghanistan has one of the highest incidence rates of domestic violence in the world. Domestic violence is so common that 85 per cent of women admit to experiencing it. 60% of all women report being victims of multiple forms of serial violence.[50] Afghanistan is the only country in which the female suicide rate is higher than that of males.[51]

According to a WHO, United Nations study, 30% of women in rural Bangladesh reported their first sexual experience to be forced.[52] About 40% report having experienced domestic violence from their intimate partner, and 50% in rural regions report experiencing sexual violence.[53]
Statistics from four United Nations studies, from 1990s, show that 16-19% of the women (age less than 50) were victims of domestic abuse within the previous 12-month period. 40-47% of the women had been subject to domestic violence during some period of their life. The studies were performed in villages (1992, 1993), Dhaka (2002) and Matlab (2002).[54]

A 2012 United Nations Women's study found that 33% of women in Egypt have experienced physical domestic violence in their lifetime, while 18% report having experienced domestic physical violence in last 12 months.[59]
Another United Nations national study in 1995, 13% of the women (age 15-49) were victims of domestic abuse within the previous 12-month period. 34% of the women had been subject to domestic violence during some period of their life. In a 2004 study of pregnant women in El-Sheik Zayed 11% of the women (age 15-49) studied were victims of domestic abuse within the previous 12-month period and, also, during some period of their life.[60]

According to Egyptian Centre for Women's Rights and World Bank Social Development Group's 2010 report, 85% of Egyptian women report of having experienced sexual harassment.[61]

The World Health Organization reported sharply increasing rates of domestic violence in Indonesia, with over 25,000 cases in 2007. Nearly 3 in 4 cases, it is the husband beating the wife; the next largest reported category were the in-laws abusing the wife. The higher rates may be because more cases of violence against women are being reported in Indonesia, rather than going unreported, than before.[62][63] From a United Nations study of Central Java, 2% of the women (age 15-49) were victims of domestic abuse within the previous 12-month period. 11% of the women had been subject to domestic violence during some period of their life.[54]

In Iran the nature of domestic violence is complicated by both a national culture and authoritative state that support control, oppression and violence against women.[4]

A World Health Organization (WHO) study in Babol found that within the previous year 15.0% of wives had been physically abused, 42.4% had been sexually abused and 81.5% had been psychologically abused (to various degrees) by their husbands, blaming low income, young age, unemployment and low education.[64]

The 2012 United Nations Women's study found that at least 1 in 5 women in Jordan has experienced physical domestic violence in her lifetime, while 1 in 7 reports having experienced domestic physical violence in last 12 months.[59] Islamic scholars[66] claim mundane domestic violence such as slapping and battering by husband orfamily members is hugely unreported in Jordan, along with other Middle Eastern countries.

A 2011 report claims 80% of women in Pakistan suffer from domestic abuse.[68] A 2004 study claimed 50% of the women in Pakistan are physically battered and 90% are mentally and verbally abused by their men,[69] while other reports claims domestic violence rates between 70% to over 95% in Pakistan.[70][71] Earlier studies from 1970s to 1990s suggest similar incidence rates of domestic violence in Pakistan.[72][73][74] In Pakistan, domestic violence occurs in forms of beatings, sexual violence, torture, mutilation, acid attacks and burning the victim alive (bride burning).[75]
According to the Pakistan Institute of Medical Sciences in 2002, over 90% of married Pakistani women surveyed reported being kicked, slapped, beaten or sexually abused by their husbands and in-laws.[76] Over 90% of Pakistani women consider domestic violence as a norm of every woman's married life.[77]

Between 1998 and 2003 there were more than 2,666 women killed in honor killings by a family member.[78]

In one study, half of 120 women interviewed in the Gaza Strip had been the victims of domestic violence.[79]

In some recent high-profile cases such as that of Rania al-Baz, Muslim women have publicized their mistreatment at the hands of their husbands, in hopes that public condemnation of wife-beating will end toleration of the practice.[80]

Why don;t you condemn it??????Why can't you say the quran is wrong????

One recent study, in Syria, found that 25% of the married women surveyed said that they had been beaten by their husbands.[81] Another study found that 21.8% of women have experienced some form of domestic violence; 48% of the women who experienced some form of violence had been beaten.[82]

A 2009 study published by the Government of Turkey reports widespread domestic violence against women in Turkey. In urban and rural areas, 40% of Turkish women reported having experienced spousal violence in their lifetime, 10% of all women reported of domestic abuse within last 12 months. In the 15-24 year age group, 20% of the women reported of domestic violence by their husbands or male members of their family. The domestic violence ranged from slapping, battering and other forms of violence. The injuries, as a result of the reported domestic violence included bleeding, broken bones and other forms needing medical attention. Over half reported severe injuries. A third of all women who admitted domestic abuse cases, claimed having suffered repeat domestic abuse injuries in excess of 5 times.[83]
Another United Nations study in East and South-East Anatolia in 1998, 58% of the women (age 14-75) had been subject to domestic violence during some period of their life; some of the women in the sampling had never been in a relationship which might have otherwise resulted in a higher statistic.[60]

If even one woman is abused by anyone anyplace in the world it is an atrocity no woman should ever be abused. But women world wide are being abused at an epidemic rate. This is a world wide problem and is especially prevalent in war torn and impoverished areas. It is not just a Muslim issue. Before one points a finger, they should first clean up their own back yards.

I am an American born and raised here in the USA. I have close non-Muslim relatives that were severely abused by their husbands, fathers and brothers. We have no room to talk until after we clean up our own mess.

More than 10 million Americans are victims of
physical violence annually.i
20 people are victims of physical violence every
minute in the United States.ii

1 in 3 women and 1 in 4 men is a victim of some
form of physical violence by an intimate partner
during their lifetimes.iii
76% of intimate partner physical violence victims
are female; 24% are male.iv
1 in 7 women and 1 in 18 men are severely injured
by intimate partners in their lifetimes.v
Domestic violence accounts for 15% of all violent
crime in the United States.vi
Domestic violence is most common among
women aged 18-24 and 25-34.vii
A majority of physical abuse is committed by
dating partners rather than spouses.viii
More than 75% of women aged 18-49 who are
abused were previously abused by the same
Intimate partner physical abuse has declined 67%
since the passage of the Violence Against Women
Act in 1994.x
Slightly more than half of intimate partner physical
violence is reported to law enforcement.xi

The most common form of violence experienced by women
globally is physical violence inflicted by an intimate partner. On
average, at least one in three women is beaten, coerced into sex
or otherwise abused by an intimate partner in the course of her
Women aged 15-44 are more at risk from rape and domestic
violence than from cancer, motor accidents, war and malaria,
according to World Bank data.
Several global surveys suggest that half of all women who die
from homicide are killed by their current or former husbands
or partners. In Australia, Canada, Israel, South Africa and the
United States, 40%-70% of female murder victims were killed
by their partners, according to the World Health Organization
(WHO). In Colombia, one woman is reportedly killed by her
partner or former partner every six days. Hundreds of women
were abducted, raped and murdered in and around Ciudad
Juarez, Mexico, over a 10-year period.
It is estimated that, worldwide, one in five women will become
a victim of rape or attempted rape in her lifetime.
Violence against women during or after armed conflicts has been
reported in every international or non-international war-zone.
Between 250,000 and 500,000 women were raped during the
1994 genocide in Rwanda; between 20,000 and 50,000 women
were raped during the conflict in Bosnia in the early 1990s.

From the same source:
. In Europe, North America and
Australia, over half of women with disabilities have experienced
physical abuse, compared to one-third of non-disabled women.

Fast facts: statistics on violence against women and girls
The facts are Abuse of women is a world wide problem and occurs in very nation, among people of every nationality, race and religion. You have to look beyond religion to find the cause.
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Old 08-30-2016, 11:03 PM
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Women hit the social problem in all societies
But when the law of God's laws are a big problem and can not be addressed
In the West, the protection of women have important laws
But in Muslim societies can not be legislation such laws because it is contrary to Islamic law

Muslim women admired their refusal to declare that the Koranic verse that calls for beating women

The best women in the modern era is Wafa Sultan, which refused to Islam because it calls for beating women
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