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Old 10-29-2016, 12:46 AM
 
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The purpose of the Koran
Faith in God is a plus Mohammed
Any linkage Mohammed with God
And also to be the law of Islam and Islam is the world's Constitution
And be governor of Islam in all the world
It does not believe in Islam and in Mohammed is one of the losers

Unification was known before Islam
Jews say that God is one
In Genesis extrapolation attributes of God
It is a pre-Islamic
God did not connect with people in Deism
But the Koran connection between Muhammad and God
We can not accept the faith in Islam
At first pronounce certificate
But you might say the certificates

The Koran also fought
Judaism and Christianity fights
Through state fighting
Sura
They are known
The Koran also calls for the imposition of Sharia on the people in power
So the goals of the Koran are the goals of a worldly, not spiritual
It is the idea of a colonial and expansionist and hegemonic
It is not who wants Islam will never be accepted of him in the final of the losers
This verse summarizes the objectives of the Koran
It emphasizes that message colonial
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Old 10-29-2016, 01:57 PM
 
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I do not believe a person will be sent to hell simply because they do not believe as I do. I believe they must first have the knowledge and ability to understand what their choices are and then make the deliberate choice to separate them self from Allaah(swt)'s love. No one will be punished for that they are not responsible for nor have the knowledge and ability to do. No one will be sent to Hell without having a warning, they have the ability to understand.
The quran is very clear and says over and over that disbelievers/nonbelievers will be burned by allah's fire. And much worse. It is in the quran. Spin it if you must, but it is very clear:

2:126 [ Allah ] said. "And whoever disbelieves - I will grant him enjoyment ... to the punishment of the Fire, and wretched is the destination ...

3:10 Indeed, those who disbelieve - never will their wealth or their children avail them against Allah at all. And it is they who are fuel for the Fire.

4:56 who disbelieve in Our verses - We will drive them into a Fire

Dozens and dozens of verses like this!! So believe what you want, or claim to believe something...but the Quran is clear and it does not matter what you believe or pretend to believe.

And make no mistake...this is all hate speech...and worse. If I said these things to someone on this site I would be banned! If I threatened YOU that garments of fire shall be cut and there shall be poured over YOUR heads boiling water whereby whatever is in YOUR bowels and skin shall be dissolved and YOU will be punished with hooked iron rods....guess what! THIS IS HATE SPEECH! Who says this kind of thing??? Psychopaths!! Terrorists!!
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Old 10-29-2016, 04:34 PM
 
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The quran is very clear and says over and over that disbelievers/nonbelievers will be burned by allah's fire. And much worse. It is in the quran. Spin it if you must, but it is very clear:

2:126 [ Allah ] said. "And whoever disbelieves - I will grant him enjoyment ... to the punishment of the Fire, and wretched is the destination ...

3:10 Indeed, those who disbelieve - never will their wealth or their children avail them against Allah at all. And it is they who are fuel for the Fire.

4:56 who disbelieve in Our verses - We will drive them into a Fire

Dozens and dozens of verses like this!! So believe what you want, or claim to believe something...but the Quran is clear and it does not matter what you believe or pretend to believe.

And make no mistake...this is all hate speech...and worse. If I said these things to someone on this site I would be banned! If I threatened YOU that garments of fire shall be cut and there shall be poured over YOUR heads boiling water whereby whatever is in YOUR bowels and skin shall be dissolved and YOU will be punished with hooked iron rods....guess what! THIS IS HATE SPEECH! Who says this kind of thing??? Psychopaths!! Terrorists!!
That is like saying warning signs are hate speech.

To be clear, warnings need to state what you are being warned of.
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Old 10-29-2016, 08:44 PM
 
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That is like saying warning signs are hate speech.

To be clear, warnings need to state what you are being warned of.
OK, then unless you give up this absolute garbage about a supernatural being that created the universe and wants to watch men mass rape women and is a wacko sadist...and you start following the rational philosophy of Objectivism...then I will slit your throat, rip out your entrails and hang you with your own entrails from the statue of liberty. Now I have warned you so it is your fault if you do not deny Islam and follow Objectivism and it is not my fault when I slit your throat, rip out your entrails and hang you with your own entrails from the statue of liberty.

How's that? Is that OK? Should people go around talking like this? All I did was warn you in the manner that 'allah' (really Muhammed) warns people. I am stating what you are being warned about. So it's all good, right?

Do you want to watch allah cut garments of fire and horribly burn people and pour over your fellow human's heads boiling water dissolve whatever is in their bowels and skin and punish them with hooked iron rods? Is that something that you admire about allah?? Love to imagine and love to dream about at night? Is this what is in your heart? The love of watching people horribly tortured by your hero?

My hero is a bit different:
"Whatever may be open to disagreement, there is one act of evil that may not, the act that no man may commit against others and no man may sanction or forgive. So long as men desire to live together, no man may initiate—do you hear me? no man may start—the use of physical force against others.

To interpose the threat of physical destruction between a man and his perception of reality, is to negate and paralyze his means of survival; to force him to act against his own judgment, is like forcing him to act against his own sight. Whoever, to whatever purpose or extent, initiates the use of force, is a killer acting on the premise of death in a manner wider than murder: the premise of destroying man’s capacity to live.

Do not open your mouth to tell me that your mind has convinced you of your right to force my mind. Force and mind are opposites; morality ends where a gun begins. When you declare that men are irrational animals and propose to treat them as such, you define thereby your own character and can no longer claim the sanction of reason—as no advocate of contradictions can claim it. There can be no “right” to destroy the source of rights, the only means of judging right and wrong: the mind.

To force a man to drop his own mind and to accept your will as a substitute, with a gun in place of a syllogism, with terror in place of proof, and death as the final argument—is to attempt to exist in defiance of reality. Reality demands of man that he act for his own rational interest; your gun demands of him that he act against it. Reality threatens man with death if he does not act on his rational judgment; you threaten him with death if he does. You place him in a world where the price of his life is the surrender of all the virtues required by life—and death by a process of gradual destruction is all that you and your system will achieve, when death is made to be the ruling power, the winning argument in a society of men.

Be it a highwayman who confronts a traveler with the ultimatum: “Your money or your life,” or a politician who confronts a country with the ultimatum: “Your children’s education or your life,” the meaning of that ultimatum is: “Your mind or your life”—and neither is possible to man without the other."
- Ayn Rand
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Old 10-29-2016, 10:05 PM
 
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You are thinking the Warnings are threats. Allaah(swt) out of fairness created 2 extremes to make our choices clear. One choice is heaven and the eternal presence of Allaah(swt) the other is hell, with complete lack of Allaah(swt) You might say Hell is the atheist's paradise as it is completely void of the presence God(swt) and his attributes. It is existence with out God(swt) which can not be adequately described in Human terms. However, tortuous you think the allegorical descriptions of Hell are the actual spending eternity with no contact of God(swt) is many times worse. Eternity with out love, without freedom from pain, the inability to die, an eternity with all the faults of a physical body and no way to contact Allaah(swt) Hell is the atheist concept of eternity, no God(swt), no reason to worship, no relief from the infirmaries of life. an eternity without the presence of God(swt) which while indescribable is much worse than the worse physical torment imaginable. the Qur'an uses human concepts to describe Hell, but Hell is actually much worse, it is eternal removal from the presence or any type of contact with God(swt). It is an Atheist paradise as it is an eternity without God(swt) totally removed from the thoughts of Allaah(swt) and not even as much of a memory.

The worst punishment for disbelievers and wrongdoers will be the realization that they have failed. They did not heed Allah's guidance and warnings, and thus have earned His wrath. The Arabic word, jahannam, means "a dark storm" or "a stern expression." Both exemplify the seriousness of this punishment.

Description of Hell (Jahannam) in the Quran


Many do not heed even when hearing the Physical descriptions. Many more would not heed if all they heard is Hell is the absence of Allaah(swt) The physical descriptions in the Qur'an serve to enforce the concept that hell is not a destination we want. It the physical descriptions save even one person from Hell, they have served their purpose.
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Old 10-30-2016, 01:09 AM
 
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The Arabic word, jahannam, means "a dark storm" or "a stern expression." Both exemplify the seriousness of this punishment.

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The word jahanm is not an Arab
They probably Hebraic or Persian word
The Arabic word isal-jaheem
See your information
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Old 10-31-2016, 11:06 AM
 
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You are thinking the Warnings are threats. Allaah(swt) out of fairness created 2 extremes to make our choices clear. One choice is heaven and the eternal presence of Allaah(swt) the other is hell, with complete lack of Allaah(swt) You might say Hell is the atheist's paradise as it is completely void of the presence God(swt) and his attributes. It is existence with out God(swt) which can not be adequately described in Human terms. However, tortuous you think the allegorical descriptions of Hell are the actual spending eternity with no contact of God(swt) is many times worse. Eternity with out love, without freedom from pain, the inability to die, an eternity with all the faults of a physical body and no way to contact Allaah(swt) Hell is the atheist concept of eternity, no God(swt), no reason to worship, no relief from the infirmaries of life. an eternity without the presence of God(swt) which while indescribable is much worse than the worse physical torment imaginable. the Qur'an uses human concepts to describe Hell, but Hell is actually much worse, it is eternal removal from the presence or any type of contact with God(swt). It is an Atheist paradise as it is an eternity without God(swt) totally removed from the thoughts of Allaah(swt) and not even as much of a memory.

The worst punishment for disbelievers and wrongdoers will be the realization that they have failed. They did not heed Allah's guidance and warnings, and thus have earned His wrath. The Arabic word, jahannam, means "a dark storm" or "a stern expression." Both exemplify the seriousness of this punishment.

Description of Hell (Jahannam) in the Quran


Many do not heed even when hearing the Physical descriptions. Many more would not heed if all they heard is Hell is the absence of Allaah(swt) The physical descriptions in the Qur'an serve to enforce the concept that hell is not a destination we want. It the physical descriptions save even one person from Hell, they have served their purpose.
What you call warnings ARE threats....threats of horrible torture for eternity. "Believe in me and submit or I will torture you forever." If someone says that to you, is it a loving warning that justifies the torture? You refuse to be honest here. WHY?? What has Islam done to your ability to reason?

Why would I want to spend eternity with a monster that threatened me and likes to watch men rape children? Why would I want to spend eternity watching a gluttony of dirty old men having sex with virgins and little boys and stuffing themselves?

The good news is that this is all a moot point as there is no allah and the nasty quran came from a very nasty man. His pornographic fantasies and how he carried them out are well documented in Islam.

It is Muhammed who threatened people with visions of horrific torture and slaughtered them if they did not submit to his horrors. The gullible and greedy believed it and the ones threatened with their lives pretended to believe it. That would have been that except that today we have evil people still promoting the evil ideology of Islam. So today we have Muslims slaughtering people and mass raping children and women and we have terrorism and genocide and entire countries ruined by Muslims in the name of Islam.
And it needs to stop.

You even slaughter each other in the name of Islam!!

2016.10.31 India Bhopal 1 0 Jailed SIMI Muslims slit the throat of a prison guard.
2016.10.30 Afghanistan Baghlan-e-Markazi 7 1 Three woman and four children are exterminated in their own home by Muslims.
2016.10.29 Iraq Baghdad 7 20 A Muslim suicide bomber targets Shiite pilgrims gathered at a tent, killing seven.
2016.10.29 Nigeria Bakasi 5 11 A Muslim female suicide bomber detonates at a camp for displaced persons, blowing five to bits.
2016.10.29 Pakistan Karachi 5 6 Muslim hardliners on motorcycles fire into a gathering of worshippers, mowing down six.
2016.10.28 India Macchil 1 0 A border guard is killed and mutilated by Muslims.
2016.10.27 Iraq Baghdad 1 4 One person bleeds out from splinter injuries after Muslims throw a grenade into a liquor store.
2016.10.27 CAR Grimari 10 12 Ten villagers are murdered in cold blood by Muslims.
2016.10.27 Iraq Basra 1 0 Muslims murder a shopowner for selling alcohol following a national ban.
2016.10.27 Syria Hamadaniyeh 3 1 Three brothers are killed when a Muslim rocket hits their home.
2016.10.27 Syria Aleppo 3 14 Three children at a school are disassembled by Muslims.
2016.10.27 Nigeria Ungwar Missi 7 3 Two men in their 80s are among seven civilians butchered by Muslims.
2016.10.27 Pakistan Malir 2 0 A married couple is strangled on orders of a jirga because the woman left her former husband.
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Old 10-31-2016, 10:21 PM
 
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Yes there are Muslims that are evil, just as their are Evil Christians, Jews, Atheists, and every other Belief system and non-belief systems.

The religion is not the cause. the cause is the individuals free choices. Murder and terror are the same whoever is doing it. Hatred is the first step toward radical action. the more adamant a person becomes about a group they hate the closer they get to becoming what they hate. It is a very thin line that separates a vocal hater of a group from a terrorist attacker. A line that can easily become a physical action.

From personal experience I find that those who hate Islam are a very short step from desiring to see every Muslim dead, and that step can occur without warning.

Hate is a horrible emotion it drives even the best of people to spontaneously explode with violence. If a person does not find the means to end their hatred, it becomes a vicious cancer eating away at them until they replace their words of hate with physical acts.

Hatred against a perceived evil, can become very evil itself.

You can see an example of that in Muslim terrorists, they have found reason to hate and that hatred propels them to act. A person who seeks to destroy an ideology is convinced they will peacefully do their part to rid the world of a danger, but sometimes they begin to enjoy their role to the point that they will justify any means they use. It often begins as just being a benign distraction, but can rapidly escalate to actual confrontations. Sadly every terrorist, Muslim or non-Muslim views them self as doing their part to save the world from a threat. I can recall a young student pilot in Texas who convinced himself that Catholocism was evil and posed a threat to Texas Christians, the hatred drove him on until in 1954 Francis B. Alexander flew a plane into The "Our Lady of Guadalupe Shrine" in Mission Texas while it was filled with over 50 priests, numerous parishioners and over 100 school Children, becoming the first suicide plane attack in the USA. Hatred is a horrible poison that destroys both the hater and the hated. It is not religion that is the villian, it is the persons own unbridled hatred.

In the USA there are over 14,000 Murders a year. but because they are not by Muslims they never get called terrorism. When a Muslim commits a horrific crime the haters always call it terrorism and attribute it to the Qur'an and Islam.
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Old 11-01-2016, 11:12 PM
 
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Yes there are Muslims that are evil, just as their are Evil Christians, Jews, Atheists, and every other Belief system and non-belief systems.

The religion is not the cause. the cause is the individuals free choices. Murder and terror are the same whoever is doing it. Hatred is the first step toward radical action. the more adamant a person becomes about a group they hate the closer they get to becoming what they hate. It is a very thin line that separates a vocal hater of a group from a terrorist attacker. A line that can easily become a physical action.

From personal experience I find that those who hate Islam are a very short step from desiring to see every Muslim dead, and that step can occur without warning.

Hate is a horrible emotion it drives even the best of people to spontaneously explode with violence. If a person does not find the means to end their hatred, it becomes a vicious cancer eating away at them until they replace their words of hate with physical acts.

Hatred against a perceived evil, can become very evil itself.

You can see an example of that in Muslim terrorists, they have found reason to hate and that hatred propels them to act. A person who seeks to destroy an ideology is convinced they will peacefully do their part to rid the world of a danger, but sometimes they begin to enjoy their role to the point that they will justify any means they use. It often begins as just being a benign distraction, but can rapidly escalate to actual confrontations. Sadly every terrorist, Muslim or non-Muslim views them self as doing their part to save the world from a threat. I can recall a young student pilot in Texas who convinced himself that Catholocism was evil and posed a threat to Texas Christians, the hatred drove him on until in 1954 Francis B. Alexander flew a plane into The "Our Lady of Guadalupe Shrine" in Mission Texas while it was filled with over 50 priests, numerous parishioners and over 100 school Children, becoming the first suicide plane attack in the USA. Hatred is a horrible poison that destroys both the hater and the hated. It is not religion that is the villian, it is the persons own unbridled hatred.

In the USA there are over 14,000 Murders a year. but because they are not by Muslims they never get called terrorism. When a Muslim commits a horrific crime the haters always call it terrorism and attribute it to the Qur'an and Islam.
Islam is the first instigator of terrorism because of the many teachings that give rise to hatred
For example
But polytheists unclean
Who are the polytheists
They are Jews, Christians, Buddhists, Hindus and atheists
Do you consider this education builds peace loving man

Islam attacked Jews and Christians
And it calls to kill them
Fight those who believe not in Allah and the Last Day ---
And verse
Is not wrath, and who astray
Why is this incitement and hatred
Yes teachings of Islam are the fertile soil to terrorism in all forms
Terror-stricken wife and
Kill the infidels and polytheists
Robbed booty
And other
Do you think that Islam is a religion of peace
Crime differ from terrorism
Terrorism different term
Terrorism is the use of force in an orderly and collective relies on a fixed ideology
Islam and the ideology is the foundation which moves the Muslim
Since that Muhammad migrated to Medina
The world has the right to defend himself
Unclean نجس regards me when I defend myself and tell you that teach hatred
It is not from God but from Satan the accursed
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Old 11-01-2016, 11:29 PM
 
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Islam is the first instigator of terrorism because of the many teachings that give rise to hatred
For example
But polytheists unclean
Who are the polytheists
They are Jews, Christians, Buddhists, Hindus and atheists
Do you consider this education builds peace loving man

Islam attacked Jews and Christians
And it calls to kill them
Fight those who believe not in Allah and the Last Day ---
And verse
Is not wrath, and who astray
Why is this incitement and hatred
Yes teachings of Islam are the fertile soil to terrorism in all forms
Terror-stricken wife and
Kill the infidels and polytheists
Robbed booty
And other
Do you think that Islam is a religion of peace
Crime differ from terrorism
Terrorism different term
Terrorism is the use of force in an orderly and collective relies on a fixed ideology
Islam and the ideology is the foundation which moves the Muslim
Since that Muhammad migrated to Medina
The world has the right to defend himself
Unclean نجس regards me when I defend myself and tell you that teach hatred
It is not from God but from Satan the accursed
We do agree on one point.

Those that teach hate are not from God(swt) and are from Shaytan.

But also keep in mind the most dangerous and deceptive shaytan we will ever meet is our self. the greater Jihad is the battle we each fight against our own evil thoughts.
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