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Old 08-20-2016, 03:49 PM
 
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I have given you one example re Bin Laden's Letter to America where he quoted various verses from the Quran.
And like any hypocrite, you are not telling me here that even though he did quote verses of the Qur'an but he did not give that as a reason. His reason for fighting was Middle East politics. Here is the reason he gave in his letter:

"As for the first question: Why are we fighting and opposing you? The answer is very simple:

(1) Because you attacked us and continue to attack us.

a) You attacked us in Palestine:

(i) Palestine, which has sunk under military occupation for more than 80 years. The British handed over Palestine, with your help and your support, to the Jews, who have occupied it for more than 50 years; years overflowing with oppression, tyranny, crimes, killing, expulsion, destruction and devastation. The creation and continuation of Israel is one of the greatest crimes, and you are the leaders of its criminals. And of course there is no need to explain and prove the degree of American support for Israel. The creation of Israel is a crime which must be erased. Each and every person whose hands have become polluted in the contribution towards this crime must pay its*price, and pay for it heavily."
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Old 08-20-2016, 03:56 PM
 
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The point is that there are hundreds, make that thousands, who claim to be Muslims, yet advocate violence - in the name of their professed religion. Incidentally next time you take a flight, and you have to go through strict security - who largely (or at any rate, who, in what name?), predominantly contributed to that?
Depends on which nation you are in. In non-Western Nations Christians are often seen as being the Terrorists. Particularly in the Strongly Hindu regions of India, North Korea and the Tribal Religion regions of Africa. also in predominately Muslim Nations Christians are believed to be Terrorists.

As Ambrose Bierce defined Infidel: In New York it is somebody who lives in Constantinople. In Constantinople it is somebody who lives in New York.

In other words it is a matter of perspective.


A few groups that non-Christians view as being Christian Terrorists

6 modern-day Christian terrorist groups our media conveniently ignores - Salon.com
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Old 08-20-2016, 09:40 PM
 
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Bismillaah ir Rahmaan ir Rahiim. As salaamu alaykum. You repeatedly make reference to evil prone individuals as if they need to commit an act of evil. These same individuals have free will. They have a conscience. They can use their brain to think compassionately. They do not necessarily need to commit evil. Those who feel the need to do evil, should seek psychological help. And it need not be due to a religious reason. How then, can it be due to existence? Are there that many suicidal people in existence? You have not considered demon possession. It is as monumental a problem today, as it was in ancient times. I get the impression that people cannot live without it!!
I suggest you educate yourself on human nature and even understanding your own human nature.

Fact is there is no such thing as absolute or totally free freewill.

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You repeatedly make reference to evil prone individuals as if they need to commit an act of evil.
I repeatedly state evil prone individuals are born with active evil tendencies and they are compelled and driven unconsciously to commit evil given the opportunity.

Btw, these evil prone Muslims do not think what they are committing are evil at all. These evil prone Muslims are acting on the belief that they are good true Muslims acting in accordance to Allah's command as they sincerely believe it will please Allah.

The other question is YOU and others do not have the divine authority to judge they [the evil prone Muslims] are doing wrong or committing evils from the Quran perspective.
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Old 08-20-2016, 09:57 PM
 
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And like any hypocrite, you are not telling me here that even though he did quote verses of the Qur'an but he did not give that as a reason. His reason for fighting was Middle East politics. Here is the reason he gave in his letter:

"As for the first question: Why are we fighting and opposing you? The answer is very simple:

(1) Because you attacked us and continue to attack us.

a) You attacked us in Palestine:

(i) Palestine, which has sunk under military occupation for more than 80 years. The British handed over Palestine, with your help and your support, to the Jews, who have occupied it for more than 50 years; years overflowing with oppression, tyranny, crimes, killing, expulsion, destruction and devastation. The creation and continuation of Israel is one of the greatest crimes, and you are the leaders of its criminals. And of course there is no need to explain and prove the degree of American support for Israel. The creation of Israel is a crime which must be erased. Each and every person whose hands have become polluted in the contribution towards this crime must pay its*price, and pay for it heavily."
Btw, what Bin Laden quoted as "Because you attacked us and continue to attack us" and others are not political per-se but its basis is primarily theological.

Bin laden and other Muslims are responding with evils and violence as Muslims and in accordance to the Quran. This is primarily theological and not political.

If Mahmoud Abbas of Palestine declared war on Israel without invoking any verses from the Quran then that is POLITICA per-se.
If Mahmoud Abbas declared war on all the parties in the UN who agreed to the creation of Israel, then that is a international global politics and that would be POLITICAL per-se.

Bin-Laden being a Saudi has no business fighting for Palestine politically. But the fact is Bin-Laden was motivated by the evil laden verses in the Quran to fight infidels occupying Islamic lands and created the terrible evils and violence that follows. The primary reasons for Bin Laden is therefore theological or religious and NOT political. There are political elements involved but they are secondary to Bin-Laden actions and resulting evils.

It is the same for all the coward evil prone Muslims who initiate evils and violence [in accordance to the evil laden elements in the Quran] on innocent non-Muslims in soft-targets - these are not primarily political issues. The political elements are merely secondary and opportunities to carry out their primary theological purposes.

Note Boko Haram and others are fighting against modern education. Muslims are also fighting and killing for many other non-political reasons. So it is not the different external [secondary] reasons but what is consistent in all these are the evil elements from the same Quran [main elements] that you and all Muslims are reading.

GET IT!

The problem is you are not doing layered, refined and precise thinking but messed up, mixed and conflate the critical elements and blab out your confused MUST BE bias views.
It is a fact your kind of religion by its nature kills your higher thinking ability and that has to be done if your faith is to work. That is why such a religion of yours is called faith, i.e. exhorting believers to - don't think seriously but just believe blindly.
This is the human nature within you you must understand, recognize and acknowledge, otherwise you are lying to your own self.

In addition it is your [& others apologist] ignorance and confused thinking that embolden and perpetrate the evils and violence by those evil prone Muslims.

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Old 08-20-2016, 10:20 PM
 
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These reports are paid

The number of Muslim recruits from non-Arabs in Mosul of 2 per cent of the fighters
While the majority of fighters from Arab Muslims
Are all these not understand Islam, also

Islamic state based Koran laws in her life
Every member in this state believe that Islam is the only way of life
It seeks to apply the laws of the Koran in life
This is the main objective to all Muslعem ...
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Old 08-20-2016, 10:50 PM
 
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One can look at the Christian Ministers in parts of Africa using "Witch Hunts" Justify atrocities by their interpretation of Christianity. The same type misuses are done by despots in every religion. The blame is the evil doers,
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not their scriptures
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You will find the likes of Jim Jones, al-Baghdadi, Joseph Kony, Pol pot, Kim Jung Un, Stalin, Hitler, Anjem Choudary, David Koresh among all groups, Secular and/or Religious.

All Terrorists and those who encourage terrorism are criminals and should be treated as such, not dignified with any religious labels.
Holy terror School
Because the states of the fighting and killing is the essential pillar
The teachings of hatred are the foundations of the Koran
you are right
We must prosecute Muhammad and that we consider to be a war criminal because he gave the order to kill Jews and also the teachings of the Koran in which hatred
Baghdadi and Omar Ibn Khattab and the Righteous Alamoian and the Fatimids, Ottomans
Muhammad's successors on the ground applying his teachings and his books
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Old 08-20-2016, 10:58 PM
 
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Mohammed crimes
1. marry a girl of nine years old
2. wife raped his adopted son under the pretext that it was God's commands
3-raped Jewish wife after the slaughter of her husband
4. ordered looting convoys Arab Quraish
5. issuing a command-in the slaughter of the Jews
6-issued command-to kill or Crvvvh
7. issued orders to fight the Jews and infidels

Published by the teachings of hatred in his book, which he called the Koran
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Old 08-21-2016, 12:11 AM
 
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Woodrow LI say in post
You will find the likes of Jim Jones, al-Baghdadi, Joseph Kony, Pol pot, Kim Jung Un, Stalin, Hitler, Anjem Choudary, David Koresh among all groups, Secular and/or Religious.

All Terrorists and those who encourage terrorism are criminals and should be treated as such, not dignified with any religious labels. =========================

The question is why is not subject to the same standards Mohammad machine in power
Muhammad committed war crimes
So why do they refuse to accept these facts
Hitler was sincere in sexual matters
He did not marry
But before killing himself announced his marriage to his mistress Eva Braun
He acted immoral
Hitler did not accept to die knots adultery dogged

For this reason, he announced his marriage to Brown Live
Until it becomes devotion to his lover without restrictions
Did Hitler was better than Muhammad morally
Leave the answer to the conscience of every human being
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Old 08-21-2016, 01:54 AM
 
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The other question is YOU and others do not have the divine authority to judge they [the evil prone Muslims] are doing wrong or committing evils from the Quran perspective.
YOU do not have the divine authority to judge they [the evil prone Muslims] are doing wrong or committing evils. The Qur'an does not call then Muslims but Hypocrites.

[9.67] The hypocritical men and the hypocritical women are all alike; they enjoin evil and forbid good and withhold their hands; they have forsaken Allah, so He has forsaken them; surely the hypocrites are the transgressors.

[4.142] Surely the hypocrites strive to deceive Allah, and He shall requite their deceit to them, and when they stand up to prayer they stand up sluggishly; they do it only to be seen of men and do not remember Allah save a little.

[29.11] And most certainly Allah will know those who believe and most certainly He will know the hypocrites.


YOU don't know them but Allah knows the hypocrites.
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Old 08-21-2016, 02:17 AM
 
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Btw, what Bin Laden quoted as "Because you attacked us and continue to attack us" and others are not political per-se but its basis is primarily theological.
Definitely political! This is politics of Middle East. Israel is political creation. Attack and destruction of Iraq was political based on a lie to remove Saddam and bring democracy in Iraq.

Bin Laden was clear in his given reason. It was because of Middle East politics and attacks from America. This is the primary reason. Only a blind person will not see it as politics.
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