Arabized Islam versus Indianized Islam? (converted, language)

[Continuum]

Here is an interesting take on the topic.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTnx...JvSEfzYfRpW9bP

According the Tarek Fatah, there were two main streams of Islam after the infighting between the companions of Muhammad.

The Arabized Islam were influenced heavily by Abu Sufyan that led to the Islamic imperialism from Spain to Northern India.

Meanwhile the opponents of the aggressive companions like Abu Suffiyan fled from Medina and spread their moderate Islam along the coastal routes to Southern India with their main focus in Kerala. They are supposedly the ones who had spread the less evil strains to the East to Myanmar, Southern Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia, Southern Philippines. Tarek Fatah called this version the 'Vedic Islam.'

However later in the 1970s when the Arabs got rich with their oil money, the Arabs used their oil money to influence all other Muslims to the more aggressive martial focussed Arabized versions of Islam.

Views?

[Khalif]

It's like saying, G. W. Bush converted to Islam.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koUTLXAITu8

[Continuum]

Here is an interesting point and new knowledge for me;
Note I do not regard wiki as authoritative with high credibility.
Thus what is presented here need further verifications for other sources.

Islam arrived in Kerala through Arab traders during the time of prophet Muhammad(AD 609 - AD 632). Kerala has a very ancient relation with the middle east even during the Pre-Islamic period. Muslim merchants (Malik Deenar) settled in Kerala by the 7th century AD and introduced Islam. The Cheraman Juma Masjid said to be the very first mosque in India situated in Kodungallur Taluk, in state of Kerala.

According to a tradition, Cheraman Perumal, the last of the Chera kings, became Muslim and traveled to visit prophet Muhammad and this event helped the spread of Islam.

Kerala Muslims are generally referred to as Mappilas in Kerala. They share a common language (Malayalam) with the rest of the population and have a culture commonly regarded as the Malayalam culture of Kerala with an Arabian blend.[1] Muslim population is the fastest growing sect in Kerala.[2] They form 26.56% of the population of Kerala.[3]

If Cheraman Perumal did visit prophet Muhammad and spread Islam therefrom, then the Kerala stream of Muslims would have avoid the very dirty infightings of the companions of Muhammad.

Any counter views?

[Khalif]

Originally Posted by Continuum

Here is an interesting point and new knowledge for me;
Note I do not regard wiki as authoritative with high credibility.
Thus what is presented here need further verifications for other sources.

If Cheraman Perumal did visit prophet Muhammad and spread Islam therefrom, then the Kerala stream of Muslims would have avoid the very dirty infightings of the companions of Muhammad.

Any counter views?

In my view, there was no dirty infightings of the companions of Muhammad. There was disagreement as to who should be the first Caliph but no dirty infighting until after the fourth Caliph (Ali). Even then it was not religious but political (due to power).

As for Islam in India or Islam in Arabia, a lot of it is not Islam but culture of the place. Culture of a place always gets mixed up in Islam and people begin to regard it as if it is Islam. This is why studying the Qur'an is vital to understand Islam properly. Most of the Arabs and Indians today have moved away from the Islam in the Qur'an. Future true Muslims will come from the West. It is the Muslims in the West that are going to fly the flag of Islam and teach these arrogant Arabs and Indians about Islam.

[Woodrow LI]

Originally Posted by Continuum

Here is an interesting take on the topic.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTnx...JvSEfzYfRpW9bP

According the Tarek Fatah, there were two main streams of Islam after the infighting between the companions of Muhammad.

The Arabized Islam were influenced heavily by Abu Sufyan that led to the Islamic imperialism from Spain to Northern India.

Meanwhile the opponents of the aggressive companions like Abu Suffiyan fled from Medina and spread their moderate Islam along the coastal routes to Southern India with their main focus in Kerala. They are supposedly the ones who had spread the less evil strains to the East to Myanmar, Southern Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia, Southern Philippines. Tarek Fatah called this version the 'Vedic Islam.'

However later in the 1970s when the Arabs got rich with their oil money, the Arabs used their oil money to influence all other Muslims to the more aggressive martial focussed Arabized versions of Islam.

Views?

Originally Posted by Khalif

In my view, there was no dirty infightings of the companions of Muhammad. There was disagreement as to who should be the first Caliph but no dirty infighting until after the fourth Caliph (Ali). Even then it was not religious but political (due to power).

As for Islam in India or Islam in Arabia, a lot of it is not Islam but culture of the place. Culture of a place always gets mixed up in Islam and people begin to regard it as if it is Islam. This is why studying the Qur'an is vital to understand Islam properly. Most of the Arabs and Indians today have moved away from the Islam in the Qur'an. Future true Muslims will come from the West. It is the Muslims in the West that are going to fly the flag of Islam and teach these arrogant Arabs and Indians about Islam.

The History of Islam in India is quite interesting. There was no Arab or Muslim conquest. India was conquered by the Moguls(Mongols) who after the conquest of India along with Much of Arabia and Persia. After the conquest many Mongols accepted Islam.

Much of what non-Muslims see of Indian Muslims is a mixture of Indian and Mongol culture.

In the KSA (Kingdom of Saudi Arabia) what one sees is the family culture of the al-Saud family, which conquered the Arab Nations of Hijaz and Najd in 1929 forming the KSA which is an absolute Monarchy that controls every aspect of life. the laws of the Monarchy are often seen as being Islam


Islam is very individual. It is like wearing shoes, an individual action. To try to separate Muslims into an organized ideology is like separating shoe-wearers into an ideology and dividing the world between shoe-wearers and non-wearers. Muslims have as much in common with other Muslims as a Shoe-wearer has in common with other shoe-wearers. People very often mistake National Culture and/or Family Tradition with Islam.

[Khalif]

Originally Posted by Woodrow LI

The History of Islam in India is quite interesting. There was no Arab or Muslim conquest. India was conquered by the Moguls(Mongols) who after the conquest of India along with Much of Arabia and Persia. After the conquest many Mongols accepted Islam.

Much of what non-Muslims see of Indian Muslims is a mixture of Indian and Mongol culture.

Exactly the point! Mughals were not conquered by Muslims but had come to Afghanistan, Persia, Iraq and India as conquerors but ended up becoming Muslims with Indian or Islamic names.

This cultural naming is being mentioned in the video. People have names like "Chand", "Aftab" and "Qamar". Each means the same, "Moon". In Indian culture it would be "Chand" and in Arab culture it would "Qamar" and in Persian culture it would be "Aftab". The same goes for "Suraj" and "Shams" ("Sun") in India and Arab respectively.

As for conquest with sword, here is what Indian leader Gandhi had said:

"....I became more than ever convinced that it was not the sword that won a place for Islam in those days in the scheme of life. It was the rigid simplicity, the utter self-effacement of the prophet, the scrupulous regard for his pledges, his intense devotion to his friends and followers, his intrepidity, his fearlessness, his absolute trust in God and in his own mission. These, and not the sword carried everything before them and surmounted every trouble."
[Young India (periodical), 1928, Volume X]