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Old 10-26-2016, 04:33 PM
 
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Belief in one God, Allah in Arabic, constitutes the very foundation of Islam. There is no deity except Allah. He is indivisible and absolutely transcendent. God is the Almighty, the Creator and the Sustainer of the universe, Who is similar to nothing and nothing is comparable to Him.

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Old 10-26-2016, 04:44 PM
 
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I breathe now, but I do not see the air, but I see its effects, how did you know that the balloon containing air? From its effects.

I will not be treated the same irony in the dialogue

Invite to the way of thy Lord with wisdom and good advice, so we learned from the HOLY QUR'AN
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Old 10-26-2016, 07:32 PM
 
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You need to give credit to the person who actually did the work to come up with these arguments, instead of cutting and pasting from another's words.
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Old 10-26-2016, 07:53 PM
 
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All of the universe and all of nature is conscious. Intelligent life is all around us. A tree thinks...it may take ten thousand years for it to figure out how to make a seed fly...and it may take 100 years for us to figure out how to fly...it is all about how we measure time. GOD is not part of the physics we know and understand...He is natural yet above nature...super natural...He exists yet he does not exist..He is beyond what we perceive as existence...If you believe he manifests physically...he appears...if you do not believe he has no time for you. He ceases to exist...you will not find him.
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Old 10-26-2016, 08:47 PM
 
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Let's talk about the content of speech and interest learned from them,

Can we find an explanation of the great universe? Is there any convincing interpretation of the secret of existence? We realize that no family can function properly without a responsible head, that no city can prosperously exist without sound administration, and that no state can survive without a chief of some kind.

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Old 10-27-2016, 10:30 AM
 
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follow,
6. Sanctity of Property

The Muslims have also been prohibited from taking anything from
the general public of a conquered country without paying for it. If in a
war the Muslim army occupies an area of the enemy country, and is
encamped there, it does not have the right to use the things belonging
to the people without their consent. If they need anything, they should
purchase it from the local population or should obtain permission from
the owners.

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Not true according to the Quran and the hadiths.

"The Prophet had suddenly attacked Bani Mustaliq without warning while they were heedless and their cattle were being watered at the places of water. Their fighting men were killed and their women and children were taken as captives" (Bukhari 46:717)

Muslims took the wives! They raped them and then sold them or made them slaves.

The Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) sent a military expedition to Awtas on the occasion of the battle of Hunain. They met their enemy and fought with them. They defeated them and took them captives. Some of the Companions of the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) were reluctant to have intercourse with the female captives in the presence of their husbands who were unbelievers. So Allah, the Exalted, sent down the Qur’anic verse: (Sura 4:24) "And all married women (are forbidden) unto you save those (captives) whom your right hands possess." (Abu Dawud 2150, also Muslim 3433)

"We went out with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) on the expedition to the Bi'l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing 'azl (Withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of semen to avoid-conception). But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah's Messenger is amongst us; why not ask him? So we asked Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him), and he said: It does not matter" (Sahih Muslim 3371)

"Then the apostle sent Sa-d b. Zayd al-Ansari, brother of Abdu'l-Ashal with some of the captive women of Banu Qurayza to Najd and he sold them for horses and weapons." (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham/Hisham 693)

I drove them along until I brought them to Abu Bakr who bestowed that girl upon me as a prize. So we arrived in Medina. I had not yet disrobed her when the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) met me in the street and said: “Give me that girl.” (Sahih Muslim 4345)

We met the workers of Khaybar coming out in the morning with their spades and baskets. When they saw the apostle and the army they cried, “Muhammad with his force,” and turned tail and fled… The apostle seized the property piece by piece… (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 757)

The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: If you come to a township (which has surrendered without a formal war) and stay therein, you have a share (that will be in the form of an award) in (the properties obtained from) it. If a township disobeys Allah and His Messenger (and actually fights against the Muslims) one-fifth of the booty seized therefrom is for Allah and His Apostle and the rest is for you. (Sahih Muslim 4346)

Quran 8:41 And know that anything you obtain of war booty - then indeed, for Allah is one fifth of it and for the Messenger and for [his] near relatives and the orphans, the needy, and the [stranded] traveler, if you have believed in Allah and in that which We sent down to Our Servant on the day of criterion - the day when the two armies met. And Allah , over all things, is competent.

Quran 48:15 Those who were left behind will say, when ye set forth to capture booty: Let us go with you. They fain would change the verdict of Allah. Say (unto them, O Muhammad): Ye shall not go with us. Thus hath Allah said beforehand. Then they will say: Ye are envious of us. Nay, but they understand not, save a little.

[The Muslim raiders] encouraged each other, and decided to kill as many as they could of them and take what they had. Waqid shot Amr bin al-Hadrami with an arrow and killed him... (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 425; see also Ibn Kathir V.2 p.243)

The Quraysh said that Muhammad and his Companions violated the sanctity of the Sacred Month and shed blood, confiscated property and took prisoners during it. Those who refuted them among the Muslims who remained in Makkah replied that the Muslims had done that during the month of Sha`ban (which is not a sacred month). (Ibn Kathir)

There is much more.
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Old 10-27-2016, 12:07 PM
 
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Let's talk about the content of speech and interest learned from them,

Can we find an explanation of the great universe?
Because you do not know the answer is not a reason to jump to the supernatural.

WE ARE LEARNING!! And yes, we have answers!! Not every answer yet, but many answers, We are building tools every day (not backward Muslims usually, but others) that offer evidence about the universe and how it came to be. If you bothered to go to school, or use google.....you would learn. This is what the Quran could not tell us....because Muhammed did not know it.........


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sowczs7FEZo
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Old 10-30-2016, 07:33 AM
 
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about Bani Al Mustaliq invasion,
the chief of bani AL-mustaliq ( Arab tribe), AL-harith bin dirar had mobilized his men, along with some arabs, to attack Al Madinah ( the capital of Islamic country) .

So, what the Chief of the Madena should do ?
the prophet peace be upon him summoned his men and ordered them to prepare for war.

In the way to the site of the battle,
the disbelievers got frightened and the arabs going with them defected and ran away to their lives.
some men were killed, women and children of the disbelievers taken as captives,from between the captives was Juwairiyah, daughter of A-harith, chief of the disbelievers. the prophet peace be upon him married her and, in compensation, the muslims had to manumit a hundred others of the enemy prisoners who embraced Islam.

so, what was happened,
the Prophet and felt that this marriage will bring the hearts of the Bani Mustaliq to him, especially if Muslims freed captives' women built in honor of the Prophet, and that what has happened , and freed hundred people


What happened is an invasion by a tribe of Medina, it was natural that respond to this invasion, and Muslims triumphed freed all prisoners, and after that the tribe entered Islam
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Old 10-30-2016, 10:23 AM
 
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Excellent post, my old Spanish Onion.

The OP is in fact the kind that could be used to prove Christianity if you just changed the name the deity and religion.

It has always been the problem with the 'Who made everything, then?' argument that, even if you credited the "evidence" for a god, you still don't know which one - which is to say, which religion.

Pointing to miracles or a particular holy book gets you nowhere. Faith -claims such as we say here are pointless either to those who already believe or to those who don't, because it is evidence of precisely nothing.

The "last revelation' claim is, as you remarked "Convenient". Unfortunately for Islam, there has been Mormon since than, and the Sikh religion and there is no more reason to dismiss those than there is reason to dismiss Islam.

The only argumnts for Islam that have any mileage whatsoever are 'Science in the Quran' and 'Let then write another like it!".

Science in the Quran actually doesn't fare too well. The one about the battle in the Low Place and the number of joints in the human body are a bit debatable, and the ones about moving mountains (or was it clouds?) fresh water not mingling with salt and the ones on the Pulsar and genetics can be shown to rely heavily on Interpretation, and don't stand up to study. But the claims about the fly's wing cure is so absurd that it really has to debunk any claim to credibility.

The argument that the language of the Quran is impossible for humans to duplicate and so must be divinely given, relies a lo on the assurances of those dedicated enough to learn the language!

LI here swore that he tried to write Quranic, but it sounded harsh and unmusical. Well, perhaps he isn't a good poet. After all, someone trying to copy Shakespeare might find that it fell very short of the Bard's writing.

Reading on early Abbasid court Arabic was when I found that poetry was massively important in court circles and diplomacy - similar to the use of rhetoric in modern politics and legal presentations.

The Quran may be outstanding and unique writing, but that is not in itself evidence that it was God -given.

And if they disagree with the logic and reasoning of my post - let them write one like it!.
LI here swore that he tried to write Quranic, but it sounded harsh and unmusical. Well, perhaps he isn't a good poet. After all, someone trying to copy Shakespeare might find that it fell very short of the Bard's writing.

Still can't not even by copying and pasting words directly from the Qur'an, I have been unable to make an original understandable sentence using the Vocabulary from the Qur'an and the Grammatical methodology. It ends up as gibberish.

I have come to the conclusion that every sentence that can be written in Qur'anic Arabic has already been written and is in the Qur'an.
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Old 10-30-2016, 12:39 PM
 
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about Bani Al Mustaliq invasion,
the chief of bani AL-mustaliq ( Arab tribe), AL-harith bin dirar had mobilized his men, along with some arabs, to attack Al Madinah ( the capital of Islamic country) .

So, what the Chief of the Madena should do ?
the prophet peace be upon him summoned his men and ordered them to prepare for war.

In the way to the site of the battle,
the disbelievers got frightened and the arabs going with them defected and ran away to their lives.
some men were killed, women and children of the disbelievers taken as captives,from between the captives was Juwairiyah, daughter of A-harith, chief of the disbelievers. the prophet peace be upon him married her and, in compensation, the muslims had to manumit a hundred others of the enemy prisoners who embraced Islam.

so, what was happened,
the Prophet and felt that this marriage will bring the hearts of the Bani Mustaliq to him, especially if Muslims freed captives' women built in honor of the Prophet, and that what has happened , and freed hundred people


What happened is an invasion by a tribe of Medina, it was natural that respond to this invasion, and Muslims triumphed freed all prisoners, and after that the tribe entered Islam
Provide evidence of this from the Quran and hadith. Like this:

"The Prophet had suddenly attacked Bani Mustaliq without warning while they were heedless and their cattle were being watered at the places of water. Their fighting men were killed and their women and children were taken as captives" (Bukhari 46:717)

Muhammad's men raped the women (with his approval) after slaughtering the men (Sahih Muslim 3371).
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