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Old 10-24-2016, 07:48 PM
 
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Yes. Allah has sent down miracles, revelations and messengers to give clear proofs He exists and more important, what we should do once we come to this realization.

1) Allah has sent prophets and messengers with many proofs throughout the ages for people to be able to clearly see with their own eyes and to be able to use their own senses the miracles and proofs pointing to the fact, Allah does in fact, exist.

2) Moses (peace be upon him) showed many miracles to pharaoh and to the children of Israel. Plagues, locusts, water turning to blood, his stick becoming a snake, the voice in the burning bush and the parting of the Red Sea are clear miracles for the people of Moses time.

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Old 10-25-2016, 02:31 AM
 
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No one sees or hears Allah,....
That's convenient.

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We don't have to see an artist to recognize a painting, correct?
That's because we know that artists exist.

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So, if we see paintings without seeing artists painting them, in the same way, we can believe Allah created everything without having to see Him (or touch, or hear, etc.)
You can believe it yes....but if you want others to believe it you need to provide some verifiable evidence for your claim.
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Old 10-25-2016, 05:11 AM
 
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Excellent post, my old Spanish Onion.

The OP is in fact the kind that could be used to prove Christianity if you just changed the name the deity and religion.

It has always been the problem with the 'Who made everything, then?' argument that, even if you credited the "evidence" for a god, you still don't know which one - which is to say, which religion.

Pointing to miracles or a particular holy book gets you nowhere. Faith -claims such as we say here are pointless either to those who already believe or to those who don't, because it is evidence of precisely nothing.

The "last revelation' claim is, as you remarked "Convenient". Unfortunately for Islam, there has been Mormon since than, and the Sikh religion and there is no more reason to dismiss those than there is reason to dismiss Islam.

The only argumnts for Islam that have any mileage whatsoever are 'Science in the Quran' and 'Let then write another like it!".

Science in the Quran actually doesn't fare too well. The one about the battle in the Low Place and the number of joints in the human body are a bit debatable, and the ones about moving mountains (or was it clouds?) fresh water not mingling with salt and the ones on the Pulsar and genetics can be shown to rely heavily on Interpretation, and don't stand up to study. But the claims about the fly's wing cure is so absurd that it really has to debunk any claim to credibility.

The argument that the language of the Quran is impossible for humans to duplicate and so must be divinely given, relies a lo on the assurances of those dedicated enough to learn the language!

LI here swore that he tried to write Quranic, but it sounded harsh and unmusical. Well, perhaps he isn't a good poet. After all, someone trying to copy Shakespeare might find that it fell very short of the Bard's writing.

Reading on early Abbasid court Arabic was when I found that poetry was massively important in court circles and diplomacy - similar to the use of rhetoric in modern politics and legal presentations.

The Quran may be outstanding and unique writing, but that is not in itself evidence that it was God -given.

And if they disagree with the logic and reasoning of my post - let them write one like it!.
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Old 10-25-2016, 05:19 AM
 
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And if they disagree with the logic and reasoning of my post - let them write one like it!.
Quite so my old carbuncle!
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Old 10-25-2016, 05:42 PM
 
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[The OP is in fact the kind that could be used to prove Christianity if you just changed the name the deity and religion]

* This is true as the pure Islam, pure Christianity and pure Judaism are all from one source.

1 ) Even on a very fundamental level we find that throughout history there is a very strange phenomenon that people of different backgrounds, living in so many different parts of the world at different points in time, have always had this strong urge within themselves to look and to yearn for the Creator.

They see that there is some power, a magnificent and merciful power that is sometimes interpreted in a mistaken way by materializing that in some form or other (i.e. idols).

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Old 10-26-2016, 04:05 PM
 
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Islam wants its adherents to be just to every human being.

"Do not let your hatred of a people incite you to aggression." (The Quran 5:2).
"And do not let ill-will towards any folk incite you so that you swerve from dealing justly. Be just; that is nearest to heedfulness" (The Quran 5:8).

Muslims are asked to be truthful, trustworthy, humble, kind and generous. They are asked to repel evil with goodness, control their anger, and be forgiving. Some of the sayings of the Prophet are:

"To remove something harmful from the road, is charity."
"Charity erases sins just as water extinguishes fire."
"He is not a perfect believer, who goes to bed full and knows that his neighbor is hungry."
"Show mercy to people on earth so that All‚h will have mercy on you in heaven."

RIGHTS OF ENEMIES AT WAR

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Old 10-26-2016, 04:06 PM
 
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follow,
6. Sanctity of Property

The Muslims have also been prohibited from taking anything from
the general public of a conquered country without paying for it. If in a
war the Muslim army occupies an area of the enemy country, and is
encamped there, it does not have the right to use the things belonging
to the people without their consent. If they need anything, they should
purchase it from the local population or should obtain permission from
the owners.

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Old 10-26-2016, 04:08 PM
 
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10. Rules About Declaration of War

It has been laid down in the Holy Quran: "If you apprehend
breach of treaty from a people, then openly throw the treaty at their
faces" (8:58).

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Old 10-26-2016, 04:22 PM
 
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let us to take an example of the sciences in Qur'an


Embryology in the Qur'an

"He makes you in the wombs of your mothers in stages, one after another, in three veils of darkness."

This statement is from Sura 39:6. We do not know when it was realized that human beings underwent development in the uterus (womb), but the first known illustration of a fetus in the uterus was drawn by Leonardo da Vinci in the 15th century.

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Old 10-26-2016, 04:30 PM
 
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You measure what you are aware, and on the assumption that God is like a human being, and the existing laws discovered by man, but how the Creator is subject to the laws that created it. This will be a flaw in the Creator.

That man invented the car and the plane, is it conceivable that a human walks like car or fly like a plane?
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