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Old 11-06-2016, 11:32 PM
 
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Old 11-06-2016, 11:59 PM
 
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To begin with Marriage in Islam is not the same concept as to what is marriage in Christianity. Although there are some similarities.

Marriage in Islam is a requirement of Islam. All Muslims are to marry if possible. But Marriage is not a religious sacrament or ritual. It is the witnessed signing of a legal binding contract. This is initiated by dialogue between the interested boy or by the girl(Through her Wali). Preliminary conditions of the Nikkah are exchanged if all parties are in agreement it may continue forward. During the negotiation period all parties may add clauses as desired.



Some clauses are required Such as:

1. AGE
Both parties must be of sufficient age to understand the contract and be of legal age to marry in the locality they are in

2. DECIDING HAQ-E-MEHR/DOWER
This is where the woman states her financial needs

3. THE INDEPENDENT RIGHT OF HUSBAND AND WIFE
This is where both parties get to name specifically they do not want the other party to interfere with and what they expect the other to do.

4. TALAQ-E-TAFWEEZ
The right of a woman to divorce without any financial penalty

5. RESTRICTING A MAN TO MARRY WHILE ALREADY BEING MARRIED
This clause is easily misunderstood, and must be clearly written in a manner that does not contradict Islam.

For examples of how these clauses are written See HERE
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Marriage in Islam is a requirement of Islam
What you are describing is a slave contract.

These sex slaves are sometimes married as young as 9, by much older men, as a requirement. They are perhaps allowed to divorce "without financial penalty" but not without compelling reason, which given Islam is pretty damned compelling or it wont be accepted. And #5 is nonsense. Polygamy is completely common within Islam. In fact, many of these are purely theoretical.
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Old 11-07-2016, 07:20 AM
 
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What you are describing is a slave contract.

These sex slaves are sometimes married as young as 9, by much older men, as a requirement. They are perhaps allowed to divorce "without financial penalty" but not without compelling reason, which given Islam is pretty damned compelling or it wont be accepted. And #5 is nonsense. Polygamy is completely common within Islam. In fact, many of these are purely theoretical.
Polygamy is not as common as one would expect. Very few men can afford to maintain multiple households. although polygamy up to 4 wives is permitted the conditions required discourage it.

Yes divorce is very easy for both men and women. There is no cause required. Islam does not demand a couple remain marry if they no longer love each other. However, the settlement for divorce is spelled out in the Nikkah. The only way one can bypass the settlement is if the other party has reneged on the Nikkah contract.

Yes a woman can specify in the the Nikkah that her husband will agree to never take another wife. If he agrees it is a binding contract and if he takes another with he has violated the contract and must pay the aggreed divorce settlement.

While the things you state do happen. They are not under the guidelines of Islam. One of the first requirements is both parties must be of such age that they can fully understand to Nikkah contract and agree to it with knowledge and of her own free will.

Temporary marriages are not permitted under the 4 Sunni Madhabs. Wahabbi is not a recognized Sunni Madhab and I believe permits temporary marriage. I am under the impression that the Shi'ite madhabs also permit it, but I am not positive.

The Nikkah is far from a "Slave Contract" both parties get to include any and all clauses they desire. It can take many months or even years before both come to agreement. This Pakistani tradition of marrying child brides is not permitted under the laws of any of the 4 Sunni Madhab.

From a short synopsis on the requirements for Sunni Marriage:

Consent – Both the groom and the bride must consent to the marriage, verbally and in writing. This is done through a formal proposal of marriage (ijab) and acceptance of the proposal (qabul). A first-time bride is usually represented in the contract negotiations by her Wali, a male guardian who looks out for her best interests. Even so, the bride must also express her willingness to enter into marriage. Consent cannot be obtained from those who are legally unable to give it, i.e. people who are incapacitated, minor children, and those who have physical or mental impairments which limit their capacity to understand and consent to a legal contract.


Requirements for an Islamic Marriage Contract
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Old 11-07-2016, 02:04 PM
 
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Threre are 5 types of divorce in Islam. I looked it up. But the unilateral "no reason given" divorce by a woman can only be done if agreed to in thre marriage contract. If the man is an ******* (and there are some real winners of males here) he can just refuse these terms and the only way she can divorce is the other ways, which seem to require both people to agree or a proof of some sort.

Meanwhile, the men can be divorced for no reason without agreement in marriage contract.
Meanwhile, an unmarried woman is an outcast and basically open to any mistreatment.

Explain why this isnt a a sex slavery agreement? There is no guarantee he wont take five wives. Except poverty. In other words, the wife is not his love, she is a sign of his wealth.
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Old 11-07-2016, 02:28 PM
 
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Threre are 5 types of divorce in Islam. I looked it up. But the unilateral "no reason given" divorce by a woman can only be done if agreed to in thre marriage contract. If the man is an ******* (and there are some real winners of males here) he can just refuse these terms and the only way she can divorce is the other ways, which seem to require both people to agree or a proof of some sort.

Meanwhile, the men can be divorced for no reason without agreement in marriage contract.
Meanwhile, an unmarried woman is an outcast and basically open to any mistreatment.

Explain why this isnt a a sex slavery agreement? There is no guarantee he wont take five wives. Except poverty. In other words, the wife is not his love, she is a sign of his wealth.
In Islam a husband is only allowed up to 4 wives, not 5. It's his absolute right to take up to 4 *if* he can provide for 4, and do justice for 4. That's an extraordinary task to live up to, and I for one certainly don't think I could handle dealing with 4 women but if a brother is patient, wealthy and has the virility to do so...good for him.

Women are allowed to ask for divorce if the man is an "*******" as you call it. https://islamqa.info/en/117780 That would fall in to an "undue hardship" categorization.

To answer the latter...Islam is realistic. There will and are marriages with immense amounts of love involved, mine included (although she does hate me sometimes ). There are also marriages that are not so much. Men and women have cravings embedded in us and Islam tries to make marriage as easy as possible to address this. The alternative is people will resort to pre-marital sex and adultery...which in western countries is rampant and causes a lot of single-parent led households, struggling mothers and absent fathers which are all disastrous for children.
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Old 11-07-2016, 03:27 PM
 
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Threre are 5 types of divorce in Islam. I looked it up. But the unilateral "no reason given" divorce by a woman can only be done if agreed to in thre marriage contract. If the man is an ******* (and there are some real winners of males here) he can just refuse these terms and the only way she can divorce is the other ways, which seem to require both people to agree or a proof of some sort.

Meanwhile, the men can be divorced for no reason without agreement in marriage contract.
Meanwhile, an unmarried woman is an outcast and basically open to any mistreatment.

Explain why this isnt a a sex slavery agreement? There is no guarantee he wont take five wives. Except poverty. In other words, the wife is not his love, she is a sign of his wealth.
The maximum number of wives is 4. Each wife is to have her own living area (She states in the Nikkah, the minimum she will accept, generally this means her own house) Each wife has to be provided with things of equal value. Each wife has to be treated equally in all aspects. The husband is responsible for all household expenses, the wife has no financial responsibilities even if she is wealthier than her husband.

If fully followed in accordance with the Sunni Madhabs, the husband has little choice as to who any additional wives will be. He has to choose from the local community. first from among widows and divorces with children. If none of them want him he chooses next from all other widows and divorcees. If none of them accept him he can choose from among all other eligible women in the community and if they refuse him he can then choose from outside the community. Polygamy in Islam is essentially a system to provide for impoverished unmarried women.

However, in today's world many who take additional wives do so without abiding by the rules and do so for their own pleasure---Which is not what is intended. I do find that in todays world there are wealthy Muslim men that are abusing the system. They are no different from bank tellers that embezzle from the bank, not supposed to do it, but some people do.

The purpose of Islamic Polygamy is to provide for those that can not provide for them self.

Monogamy & Polygyny
Generally speaking, there are two types of marriages in Islam:

• Monogamy: one man married to one woman;

• Limited polygyny1 (a kind of polygamy): one man married to two, three or at the most four wives.


In Islam, the ideal marriage is the monogamous form of marriage. Limited polygyny is a provision approved by Islam for exceptional circumstances only; and that also with many stringent conditions.2

Vast majority of Muslim men are monogamous in their marriage relationships; those who have more than one wife are very few, probably less than zero point one percent of the Muslim world.


Islam & Polygyny
And so let it be known that Islam did not initiate the system of polygamy; it existed from the early dawn of human history. When Islam came on world scene in the seventh century of the Common Era, it inherited the existing marriage system. Condoning of polygamy should not be seen as a piece of pure male chauvinism. In words of Karen Armstrong, “polygamy was not designed to improve the sex life of the boys — it was a piece of social legislation.”5

It is to the credit of Islam that it modified and reformed the system in existence at the time.

Firstly, of all, Islam put a limit to the numbers of wives that a person can have at one time — maximum of four wives at one time.

Secondly, Islam put stringent conditions on a person who wanted to marry a second wife. He must be able to provide and maintain the family, and also deal with both on basis of justice and fairness. In Chapter 4 (Surah an-Nisaa), verse 3, after allowing the Muslim men to marry two, three or four wives, the Qur’ăn immediately says:

“but if you fear that you will not do justice (between them), then (marry) only one…” (Surah an-Nisaa, 4:3)

Looking at the psychology of humans, only exceptional people have that quality of justice and fairness. The Qur’ăn itself, in the same Chapter 4, verse 129, says:

“And you do not have the ability to do justice between the wives, even though you may wish (to do so)…” (Surah an-Nisaa, 4:129)

Based on such verses, certain Muslim governments (like Iran and Egypt) regulate the provision of polygyny: the person who intends to marry a second wife has to seek approval from the family court and prove the need for a second wife and the ability of providing for both in an adequate manner.

Islam is a practical religion; its laws are in line with human nature. It does not deny the natural forces in humans, rather it confronts them and provides guidance to control them without disrupting the peace in society.

Almost all Western governments have forbidden polygamy; but adultery is most rampant in these very countries. In spite of all attempts to promote monogamous relationships, many married men have mistresses or are involved in extra-marital affairs resulting in higher divorce rates, broken families and children growing up without fathers. And such kind of behaviour has also touched the highest offices —religious as well as secular— of the United States of America.

If a man wants to fool around, Islam will hold him responsible and tie him down to duties towards that “second wife” and her children. Ira Lurvey, of the Family Law section of American Bar Association said, “We are going from monogamy to something called serial monogamy and we have no rules and guidelines; we’re groping in the dark for how to conduct our lives”. 6
Well, in Islam, you do not need to grope in the dark; Islam has given clear guidelines on all kinds of relationships: monogamy to polygamy.

https://www.al-islam.org/articles/co...muhammad-rizvi


REASONS WHY ISLAM PERMITS POLYGAMY

All mandates of the religion of Islam are from God, the Wise, and thus one deduces that all things which are permitted are due to the fact that their benefit to the self and society outweighs their harms. When one analyzes the reasons and results of the allowance of polygamy, it will be found that indeed the rulings of the religion of Islam are truly those which suit all times and places, as their source is God Almighty, the Wise and the Knowledgeable.

As the Quran indicates (4:3), the issue of polygamy in Islam is understood in the light of community obligations towards orphans and widows. Islam, as a universal religion that is suitable for all times and places, can not ignore these compelling obligations.

Reasons Why Islam Permits Polygamy - The Religion of Islam


Why is Polygamy Allowed in Islam? How is it Best Practiced?

As a Muslim woman, I have personally observed many polygamous unions in the community in which I was raised, but my aim here is not to deny any shortcomings or promote any benefits of this marital arrangement. What I would like to do is to address the historical context of the permissibility of polygamy in Islam and take a look at how it is practiced in modern day Muslim societies.
First, let us understand why Islam mandated the permissibility of up to four wives. The Qur’an permitted polygamy as a solution to the pressing social welfare problems during the time of revelation, roughly 1,400 years ago. The reasons behind polygamy had nothing to do with satiating men’s sexual appetites or, as Qayyum suggests, curbing their wandering eyes. We first read about polygamy in the Qur’an’s fourth chapter:
Give orphans their property, do not replace their good things with the bad, and do not consume their property with your own. That is a serious crime. If you fear you will not deal justly by the orphans, marry of the women, who seem good to you, two or three or four; and if you fear that you cannot do justice (to so many) then one (only) or the captives that your right hands possess. Thus it is more likely that you will not do injustice (4:2-3).
Note that polygamy and orphans — which in Arabic refers to fatherless children — are mentioned in the same sentence. We see this unusual pairing because polygamy is allowed in the specific context of caring for orphans. In the early 7th century because Muslims and non-Muslims routinely faced one another on the battlefield, men had high mortality rates and lower life expectancies, leaving many women widows with fatherless children. The time at which these verses were revealed is a clear indication of one of the reasons why polygamy is permissible in Islam.

Why is Polygamy Allowed in Islam? How is it Best Practiced?
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Old 11-08-2016, 11:36 PM
 
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4. TALAQ-E-TAFWEEZ
The right of a woman to divorce without any financial penalty

5. RESTRICTING A MAN TO MARRY WHILE ALREADY BEING MARRIED
This clause is easily misunderstood, and must be clearly written in a manner that does not contradict Islam.

For examples of how these clauses are written See HERE
Initially
It did not provide answer to my proposal
The wonderful experience even know the meaning of the word Menkouhh
Second
Women have no right to divorce
Only man has the right to divorce
The man has the right to النشوز on woman
This is the toughest sanctions on woman
It is fare worse injustice laws
Right Alencssssoz النشوز
It is that women remain married to a man has the right to confinement within the house
And also it has the right to hit
And also there is a strange law in Islam
It is considered the true image of Islam to look to marry

He Altjehah
In other words, divorce twice
But then if it wants to return to her husband, she must marry a strange man called المحلل
It wants to be seen more Arab theater
Hero just in front Representative
And where an Islamic marriage and divorce
On the way Altjehah
And either mukhala'ah
He fare worse than legal systems unjustly for women
In mukhala'ah woman gives up all rights
For the disposal of her husband
But the marriage of slaves is called the right of ownership
That verse says
Two and four
And owned by the right hand
Any slaves
I hope that Muslims give the truth as it is without shading
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Old 11-09-2016, 12:47 PM
 
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Polygamy is not as common as one would expect. Very few men can afford to maintain multiple households. although polygamy up to 4 wives is permitted the conditions required discourage it.
They move to western countries and stick their wives on welfare. Then they live off the wives welfare income.

A small example:
Men with more than one wife will get extra benefits under new rules | Daily Mail Online

No Cookies | Herald Sun

Muslim migrant in Germany with FOUR WIVES and TWENTY TWO CHILDREN creates questions about use of welfare - The Rebel

This will likely make you love islam even more.
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Old 11-09-2016, 02:52 PM
 
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Are you tested my words
About the experience to prove the truth
Is it a word Nkouh is a polite word to the Arabs
Send a message to a friend of Arab origin and knows Arabic
I hope that you know his response
I am very much aware of what Nkouh means and it is a very Nasty word. But it is not related to the word Nikkah which only happens to sound like NKouh in the Moroccan Dialect it is Aji nahwik. Keep in mind I was a young American soldier when I first began learning Arabic. I suspect I know more Arabic profanity than you ever will.

Nikkah in it's strictest sense means Conjuction. It is only filthy minded people that twist it into something nasty and relate it to the word nikouh.

That is not just my opinion alone. Here is a person who shares the same opinion.

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For the past several months I have seen critics, especially brainless Christian missionaries on Facebook and other places saying that the Quran has a vulgar word in it. They say the Arabic word ‘Nikah’ (according to them) means F-ck. Let’s be clear that the Arabic word ‘Nikah’ is not an offensive word. Whenever it used in the Quran or in the Hadith (authentic sayings of Prophet Muhammed p) it only means marriage, marriage contract and nothing more.
https://discover-the-truth.com/2014/...d-its-meaning/


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[1] Introduction to the Holy Qur’An By Abd Al-Rahman Doi page 167
[2] Muslim Laws, Politics and Society in Modern Nation States: Dynamic Legal Pluralisms in England, Turkey and Pakistan By Professor Ihsan Yilmaz. Page XV [Glossary]
[3] Dictionary of Islam By Patrick Hughes, Thomas Patrick Hughes page 55
[4] Encountering the World of Islam edited by Keith E. Swartley page 519
[5] Modern Muslim Societies [Copyright 2011] by Florian Pohl page 38
[6] Principles and Precedents of Moohummudan Law: Being a Compilation of Primary Rules Relative to the Doctrine of Inheritance (including the Tenets of the Schia Sectaries), Contracts and Miscellaneous Subjects; and a Section of Legal Opinions Involving Those Points, Delivered in the Several Courts of Judicature Subordinate to the Precidency of Fort William; Together with Notes Illustrative and Explanatory, and Preliminary Remarks [Second edition, 1825] BY Sir William Hay Macnaghten, William Sloan page 479
[7] The Cambridge Companion to American Islam edited by Juliane Hammer, Omid Safi
[8] Marriage [Copyright 2010] By Ronne Randall page 20
[9] Foundations in RE – Islam Core Edition [Copyright 2001] Par Ina Taylor page 71 [Glossary]
[10] Arabic-English Dictionary The Hans Wehr Dictionary Of Modern Written Arabic page 997
[11] An Arabic-English vocabulary for the use of English students of modern Egyptian Arabic By Donald Andreas Cameron page 292
[12] English-Arabic Dictionary: For the Use of Both Travellers and Students (1882) by Professor Francis Joseph Steingass page 235
[13] Al-Mawrid A Modern Arabic-English Dictionary by Dr. Rohi Baalbaki page 1190
[14] The Oxford Dictionary of Islam [Copyright 2003] by Professor John L. Esposito page 234
[15] A Concise Encyclopedia of Islam – By Gordon D. Newby page 166
[16] A Glossary of Islamic Terms [Copyright 1418/1998 Aisha Bewley] – By Aisha Bewley page 17
[17] The path of Sunnah – Alaikum Bisunnati – By Maulana Mufti Abdul Hakeem [Copyright 1998] page 91
[18] The Easy Dictionary of the Qur’an Arabic Grammar statics of words : Word to Word Translation By Shaikh AbdulKarim Parekh Page 87
[19] Wortabet’s Arabic English Dictionary [Fourth Edition Librairie du Liban Beirut] By William Thomson Wortabet With the Collaboration of Rev. John Wortabet. M.D. And Professor Harvey Porter. Ph.D. page 708
[20] Arabic-English Dictionary of Qur’anic Usage [Copyright 2008 by Koninklijke Brill NV, Leiden, The Netherlands] By Elsaid M. Badawi & Muhammad Abdel Halim page 962

https://discover-the-truth.com/2014/...d-its-meaning/
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Old 11-11-2016, 04:43 AM
 
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They move to western countries and stick their wives on welfare. Then they live off the wives welfare income.

A small example:
Men with more than one wife will get extra benefits under new rules | Daily Mail Online

No Cookies | Herald Sun

Muslim migrant in Germany with FOUR WIVES and TWENTY TWO CHILDREN creates questions about use of welfare - The Rebel

This will likely make you love islam even more.
Something is not making sense. Unless Polygamy is legal in the UK and Germany? Here in the US you go to jail for polygamy not get entitled to welfare benefits
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