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Old 01-18-2017, 11:26 PM
 
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This question sender to Muslims
And I hope to be answered, according to the mind and logic
What is the meaning of the word Faragjha فرجها
And also how God breathed into Faragjha ونفخنا

Whatever the justifications
But the mind remains governed
That who wrote these words is a man saucy

Faragjha because the word is a word that can not be disgorged word for it inappropriate socially
How God written in his own words
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Old 01-19-2017, 03:52 AM
 
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Do you mind addressing his argument instead of his language?
He has no argument. He is talking in ignorance about the Qur'aan.

He is complaining about a word in the Qur'aan and describing it in a vulgar and obscene way. In the Qur'aan it is related to its guarding in case of both men and women.

[33.35] Surely the men who submit and the women who submit, and the believing men and the believing women, and the obeying men and the obeying women, and the truthful men and the truthful women, and the patient men and the patient women and the humble men and the humble women, and the almsgiving men and the almsgiving women, and the fasting men and the fasting women, and the men who guard their private parts and the women who guard, and the men who remember Allah much and the women who remember-- Allah has prepared for them forgiveness and a mighty reward.

إِنَّ الْمُسْلِمِينَ وَالْمُسْلِمَاتِ وَالْمُؤْمِنِينَ وَالْمُؤْمِنَاتِ وَالْقَانِتِينَ وَالْقَانِتَاتِ وَالصَّادِقِينَ وَالصَّادِقَاتِ وَالصَّابِرِينَ وَالصَّابِرَاتِ وَالْخَاشِعِينَ وَالْخَاشِعَاتِ وَالْمُتَصَدِّقِينَ وَالْمُتَصَدِّقَاتِ وَالصَّائِمِينَ وَالصَّائِمَاتِ وَالْحَافِظِينَ فُرُوجَهُمْ وَالْحَافِظَاتِ وَالذَّاكِرِينَ اللَّهَ كَثِيرًا وَالذَّاكِرَاتِ أَعَدَّ اللَّهُ لَهُمْ مَغْفِرَةً وَأَجْرًا عَظِيمًا

As you can see, the word "furūjahum" in the verse is "their private parts" is mentioned with men (ḥāfiẓīn) and is applicable to both men and women in this verse.

Basically it is about their chastity that they are to guard outside of the marriage. Mary had done the same (guarded her chastity). Chastity or guarding the private parts from sex outside the marriage is not applicable only to women and their vaginas. Men do not have vaginas but they too are to guard their private parts.

This poster is talking like a pervert with dirty thoughts. In reality, he is ignorant about the message of the Qur'aan.
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Old 01-19-2017, 08:53 PM
 
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He has no argument. He is talking in ignorance about the Qur'aan.

He is complaining about a word in the Qur'aan and describing it in a vulgar and obscene way. In the Qur'aan it is related to its guarding in case of both men and women.

[33.35] Surely the men who submit and the women who submit, and the believing men and the believing women, and the obeying men and the obeying women, and the truthful men and the truthful women, and the patient men and the patient women and the humble men and the humble women, and the almsgiving men and the almsgiving women, and the fasting men and the fasting women, and the men who guard their private parts and the women who guard, and the men who remember Allah much and the women who remember-- Allah has prepared for them forgiveness and a mighty reward.

إِنَّ الْمُسْلِمِينَ وَالْمُسْلِمَاتِ وَالْمُؤْمِنِينَ وَالْمُؤْمِنَاتِ وَالْقَانِتِينَ وَالْقَانِتَاتِ وَالصَّادِقِينَ وَالصَّادِقَاتِ وَالصَّابِرِينَ وَالصَّابِرَاتِ وَالْخَاشِعِينَ وَالْخَاشِعَاتِ وَالْمُتَصَدِّقِينَ وَالْمُتَصَدِّقَاتِ وَالصَّائِمِينَ وَالصَّائِمَاتِ وَالْحَافِظِينَ فُرُوجَهُمْ وَالْحَافِظَاتِ وَالذَّاكِرِينَ اللَّهَ كَثِيرًا وَالذَّاكِرَاتِ أَعَدَّ اللَّهُ لَهُمْ مَغْفِرَةً وَأَجْرًا عَظِيمًا

As you can see, the word "furūjahum" in the verse is "their private parts" is mentioned with men (ḥāfiẓīn) and is applicable to both men and women in this verse.

Basically it is about their chastity that they are to guard outside of the marriage. Mary had done the same (guarded her chastity). Chastity or guarding the private parts from sex outside the marriage is not applicable only to women and their vaginas. Men do not have vaginas but they too are to guard their private parts.

This poster is talking like a pervert with dirty thoughts. In reality, he is ignorant about the message of the Qur'aan.
My friend
I speak Arabic and Arab type
And the word vagina means Faragjha
It is a special word
It is the name of one of the members of the human body
That is the reason why God did not say Mary honest
This is enough to refer to chastity and purity
But the word that defines the place is devoted to this obscene word

This raises the question
Do you really God wrote these words
Is this the words of God
Does God does not have a linguistic expressions better than these swear words
وَالْحَافِظِينَ فُرُوجَهُمْ وَالْحَافِظَاتِ
Even in this verse, it refers to the same name
Is it permissible to say that women are men Fruoj
And why adding the word
وَالْحَافِظِينَ------فُرُوجَهُمْ----وَالْحَافِظَاتِ
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surat al-nor -31

{And say to the believing lower their gaze and preserve representative vaginally

What is Alfaragj women who keep it
He vagina, my friend
It came in more than one verse of the Koran
Will I learned that God was fond of this word
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Is it permissible to say to your wife
Withhold Faragjk
What does this say
Does your wife accept this word
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Ask and I know I speak the truth
In this obscene word
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Old 01-20-2017, 01:27 PM
 
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My friend
I speak Arabic and Arab type
And the word vagina means Faragjha
It is a special word
It is the name of one of the members of the human body
That is the reason why God did not say Mary honest
This is enough to refer to chastity and purity
But the word that defines the place is devoted to this obscene word
It may be obscene word in your community but even vagina is not obscene word in civilized society today. It is used in the West even to teach children in primary schools.

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This raises the question
Do you really God wrote these words
Is this the words of God
Does God does not have a linguistic expressions better than these swear words
وَالْحَافِظِينَ فُرُوجَهُمْ وَالْحَافِظَاتِ
Even in this verse, it refers to the same name
Is it permissible to say that women are men Fruoj
And why adding the word
وَالْحَافِظِينَ------فُرُوجَهُمْ----وَالْحَافِظَاتِ
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surat al-nor -31

{And say to the believing lower their gaze and preserve representative vaginally

What is Alfaragj women who keep it
He vagina, my friend
It came in more than one verse of the Koran
Will I learned that God was fond of this word
You must be fond of this word that you like talking about in a vulgar fashion. It seems to be hovering in your mind all the time. You must be obsessed with it.

You claim to be a Christian. Couldn't your God forgive your sins without killing an innocent man? What kind of god was unable to forgive your sins without having someone murdered first?
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Is it permissible to say to your wife
Withhold Faragjk
What does this say
Does your wife accept this word
You sound as if you have no wife. You must be very lonely and know nothing what a wife will accept or not accept.
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Originally Posted by mahasn sawresho View Post
Ask and I know I speak the truth
In this obscene word
You know nothing. You are just fooling around here nothing useful to do in your life.

وَالْحَافِظِينَ فُرُوجَهُمْ وَالْحَافِظَاتِ does not mean women are men Fruoj. It means "and guarding men their furooj AND guarding women". Where do you think are men's furooj?

Stop this nonsense here!

You are lying again.
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Old 01-20-2017, 01:33 PM
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I have a question. How come the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which doesn't need the rather obviously childish "promise of everlasting life" at the end, is a more moral document than the Koran (or the Bible or any other written religious book for that matter). How can it be that a document written by humans, their best collective effort so far, would lead to a more just and equitable, non-sexist, non-homophobic world that treats believers and nonbelievers of any system entirely equally, permits no slavery under any circumstances, and requires no worship of itself, clearly higher than the one of the Koran supposedly inspired by a perfect God? How can one believe books such as the Koran (or the Bible) so obviously flawed as to be divinely inspired. The creator of time and existence itself wrote a book manifesting so many petty human characteristics? How likely is that?

Doesn't really add up. Might make you think all religions are manmade and therefore flawed.
(Plus the fact we all know, being humans, that no-one actually knows their religion to be true, they can only believe it is true).


Can any religion that promises prizes for behaving well be considered seriously, beyond such obviously selfish reasons?
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Old 01-21-2017, 12:38 AM
 
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It may be obscene word in your community but even vagina is not obscene word in civilized society today. It is used in the West even to teach children in primary schools.

You must be fond of this word that you like talking about in a vulgar fashion. It seems to be hovering in your mind all the time. You must be obsessed with it.

You claim to be a Christian. Couldn't your God forgive your sins without killing an innocent man? What kind of god was unable to forgive your sins without having someone murdered first?
-----------------
You sound as if you have no wife. You must be very lonely and know nothing what a wife will accept or not accept.
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You know nothing. You are just fooling around here nothing useful to do in your life.

وَالْحَافِظِينَ فُرُوجَهُمْ وَالْحَافِظَاتِ does not mean women are men Fruoj. It means "and guarding men their furooj AND guarding women". Where do you think are men's furooj?

Stop this nonsense here!

You are lying again.
So you hold it socially acceptable word
But is it morally acceptable word
Do you think that God wrote the word even teaches sex and sex also

And so you know it's expletive
The Qur'an translator does not remember the name as it is in other languages
But skew translator
It is honesty that literary translation is correct
So why is the word immodesty
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You are Pakistani
There are special in the female sexual Word Lists
Will be able to utter that word instead of Vfarag In the same verse
I hope that this experiment tested
That fortified Vfaragha--Type the name in the language of Pakistan,
And take it to your Muslim brothers even learn from your knowledge and your faith
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Old 01-22-2017, 05:11 AM
 
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You are of Pakistani origin
Even if you Comorian citizenship or US or other
And I reject the word is pronounced even in Vfarag
But words from the Koran that you believe in him
The Arabs today do not use the word
But they use other words
Alvfarag
User is the female reproductive system
And the Quran was the word Vfarag
Because they are of Arab Song
مريم التي احصنت فرجها

Mary, who fortified Vfaragha

Here the word Vfarag name
When names are translated into other languages may not be replace name meaning
For this reason
Islam must be translated into English as
And not in the meaning polite
God, you do not know the literature
So why try to hide this fact from the people
ابن الفرج

You may imagine it in any way you like. I can't stop you.

What you need to understand is that words in Arabic Qur'aan can have different meanings. To understand them properly, context in which each word is stated must be taken into account. You can't get the image of Mary's vagina out of your mind when reading these verses. We are not that perverted. We respect Mary as a chaste woman.
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Old 01-22-2017, 09:48 PM
 
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Here the word task

For example
And not meaning There are choices of language better than this word

Mary, who refused to marry
Here, meaning it was a chaste
But the Koran used expletive
Does God does not have a clear language better than those obscene word

And also blowing process
How God breathed into Mary
What is the meaning of bloating
We are blowing out of our spirit
And the word Nfajna stating the total which we Inflatable
You should refer to the Arabic language
In the collection of nouns and verbs

Here are the important question
How was blowing
What is the meaning of bloating
I think that offends the Koran to Mary and to God

As the Arab example says
He wanted to make eye solution
But it led to blindness دايكحلها عماها
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Old 01-24-2017, 03:14 AM
 
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Thread is questions to Muslims
And my questions and clear
Why Use thy word Vfarag
Why not?

Are you ashamed of this word? Why do you think it is a dirty word to you?

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Style of language was not used and literary Avdha of these obscene word
If this word is obscene then why are you using it here?

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The second question is how breathed into Mary Vfarag
The same way as breathed into Adam in the verse 38:72, 32:9, 15:29 and into Mary in 21:91 and Jesus breathed into a bird in 5:110. You must be ignorant about all these verses that you are arguing incessantly for days now about this issue.

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This is an important question, and is linked with the first question
Is kindly and explain to us how God breathed into Mary Vfarag
The verse does not say what you are thinking. Here is the verse that compliments your quoted verse:

[21.91] And she who guarded her chastity (farjaha), so We breathed into her (Mary) of Our spirit (ruh) and made her and her son a sign for the worlds.

Now, do you understand what is meant by "ruh" ("spirit") and how Allah breathed His spirit into Adam? Did He do it through the farj of Adam? Explain what is farj of Adam? In the Bible it is Adam's nostrils. Are Adam's nostrils his farj?

Further, here is another verse that you can't understand:

[33.35] Surely the men who submit and the women who submit, and the believing men and the believing women, and the obeying men and the obeying women, and the truthful men and the truthful women, and the patient men and the patient women and the humble men and the humble women, and the almsgiving men and the almsgiving women, and the fasting men and the fasting women, and the men who guard their private parts (frooj) and the women who guard, and the men who remember Allah much and the women who remember-- Allah has prepared for them forgiveness and a mighty reward.

In this verse, it is frooj of men. What are frooj of men? Do you guard your farj or not?
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