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Old 02-23-2017, 10:34 AM
 
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I do believe that there are deviant persons in Muslim communities but there is no such thing as "deviant Islam" or "radical Islam".

There is only "Islam" which means action of submitting to the Will of God (Submission).
Thank you, yes, I agree, and I'm going to slap myself for that one because I am the person always yelling about how we have to take each person as an individual.
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Old 02-24-2017, 01:05 AM
 
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I believe that Islam is a humanitarian idea
That's why the Islam is not only the ownership to Muslims
For this reason
I join in the dialogue
20 years ago it was difficult to obtain information

But today we can access any information and study any idea of the Internet

And I personally studied Islamic law
I had made to my friend a gift Khalifa lectures on Islamic inheritance law and in the Arabic language
But my friend Khalifa refuse my gift
And I'm ready to send it to him
Just so proved to friends here I am sincere in every word write them
Now, in the three points
Alttakiah-
jihad
nullification
In the subject Alttakiah provided interpretation of two schools

Shiites and Sunnis

And also it provided a verse from the Koran
I did not write any idea contrary to the trend
This is the style of scientific explanation

In the study of other faiths
i will explain Jihad and the cancellation from all Islamist sources
greetings to you all
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Old 02-24-2017, 02:06 AM
 
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I believe that Islam is a humanitarian idea
You may believe whatever you want but Islam is never a human idea. Submitting to the Will of God is direction given to humans from the outset.

[7.19] And O Adam! Dwell you and your wife in the garden; so eat from where you desire, but do not go near this tree, for then you will be of the zalimeen (wrongdoers).

It wasn't human idea to give Adam and his wife instruction to eat from anywhere but from that tree. It was the Will of God for humans to obey God and thus submit to God in "islam".

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That's why the Islam is not only the ownership to Muslims
You prove my point; Islam is for the whole mankind.

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For this reason
I join in the dialogue
20 years ago it was difficult to obtain information
Information about Islam was available to me more than 50 years ago.

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But today we can access any information and study any idea of the Internet
Don't make internet your god for information; there is quite a bit of junk too on the net written about Islam.

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And I personally studied Islamic law
Which Islamic law?

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I had made to my friend a gift Khalifa lectures on Islamic inheritance law and in the Arabic language
But my friend Khalifa refuse my gift
Gift? What the hell are you talking about? You sent me no gift.

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And I'm ready to send it to him
Just so proved to friends here I am sincere in every word write them
Why are you sending again if you have already sent it once before?

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Now, in the three points
Alttakiah-
jihad
nullification
In the subject Alttakiah provided interpretation of two schools

Shiites and Sunnis
I reject both schools. The Qur'aan is clear; we are not to break into sects. You are relying on deviated sources. I reject deviated interpretation too.

When the Qur'aan was revealed, written down, memorized and formulated into a book, there were no Sunnis and no Shiites but only Muslims. Shiites and Sunni is a later human idea. Perhaps you haven't got that information yet.

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And also it provided a verse from the Koran
I did not write any idea contrary to the trend
This is the style of scientific explanation
Which verse? There are quite a few. There are 4 verses with "jihad" in them. None mean anything you assumed.

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In the study of other faiths
i will explain Jihad and the cancellation from all Islamist sources
greetings to you all
The Qur'aan is the best and the only reliable and the source approved by Allah and His messenger. If you rely on other sources, you are relying on human sources. No wonder you regard Islam as "humanitarian" idea.
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Old 02-24-2017, 09:30 PM
 
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Today we explain jihad
It Islamist sources
Two types of jihad
1-
Jihad request Beginning
( al-talab)

Type I: Jihad request Beginning

You can ask the infidels in their own homes and invite them to Islam and to fight them if they do not submit to the rule of Islam.
His rule: the rule of the kind imposed on the total Muslims.

a-Evidence from the Qur'an
surat -al-toba -5 and 36 and 41 and surat -al-furkan -52

b-Evidence from the Sunnah

The words of the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him: (ordered to fight the people until they testify that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah and establish prayer and pay Zakat and if they did Asmoa their lives and property from me except the right of Islam and the self-employed on God) Bukhari.

All of these texts and many others in the Quran and Sunnah imposed on Jihad Muslim infidels starting.
Scholars of Islam have unanimously agreed that the jihad and infidels are wanted in their own homes, and invite them to Islam and jihad that did not receive him or accept the obligatory tribute .. non-replicated court.

2-Type II: Jihad defense
surat -al-nesa 74-76
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this is a brief explanation of the concept of jihad in Islam

So this is one of the explanations of the books of the Muslims

That is why Muslims believe that Jihad remains until the Day of Resurrection

It is written in Al-Bukhari in the chapter Jihad

Regards
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Old 02-26-2017, 11:16 AM
 
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Originally Posted by mahasn sawresho View Post
Today we explain jihad
It Islamist sources
Two types of jihad
1-
Jihad request Beginning
( al-talab)

Type I: Jihad request Beginning

You can ask the infidels in their own homes and invite them to Islam and to fight them if they do not submit to the rule of Islam.
His rule: the rule of the kind imposed on the total Muslims.

a-Evidence from the Qur'an
surat -al-toba -5 and 36 and 41 and surat -al-furkan -52

b-Evidence from the Sunnah

The words of the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him: (ordered to fight the people until they testify that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah and establish prayer and pay Zakat and if they did Asmoa their lives and property from me except the right of Islam and the self-employed on God) Bukhari.

All of these texts and many others in the Quran and Sunnah imposed on Jihad Muslim infidels starting.
Scholars of Islam have unanimously agreed that the jihad and infidels are wanted in their own homes, and invite them to Islam and jihad that did not receive him or accept the obligatory tribute .. non-replicated court.

2-Type II: Jihad defense
surat -al-nesa 74-76
--------------

this is a brief explanation of the concept of jihad in Islam

So this is one of the explanations of the books of the Muslims

That is why Muslims believe that Jihad remains until the Day of Resurrection

It is written in Al-Bukhari in the chapter Jihad

Regards
lol hahaha

Again and again .... you are a mail-man and you are acting as a professor of physics. Should Muslims be learning Islam from you?

I may learn Islam from you, next time when you get sick and you ask your driver to fix your disease instead of going to a doctor.
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Old 02-26-2017, 03:02 PM
 
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Today we explain jihad


a-Evidence from the Qur'an
surat -al-toba -5 and 36 and 41 and surat -al-furkan -52
The word "jihad" is not in this quoted "evidence" from the Qur'aan.

You are presenting false evidence.
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Old 02-26-2017, 09:22 PM
 
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The word "jihad" is not in this quoted "evidence" from the Qur'aan.

You are presenting false evidence.
1-Go and open the Koran
And Read the verse 52 of Surah Al-Furqan
And where the great jihad
And he apologized for writing verse in Arabic because the forum rules do not allow
2-
-Go and open the Koran And Read the verse 4-surat -al -toba
and 14 and 20 and 29 and 36 and 41 and 44 and 73 and 81 and 88 surat al- toba
3- surat -al nesai 95
4- surat - al -saf 11
5- al -hag 78
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Second: Jihad force.
(اal nesai :95)


What is meant by the wording (of jihad) in this verse and the like Jihad infidels in the battlefield, as evidenced by the verse: {their wealth and their}

And more word (jihad) in the Qur'an came by this meaning to. This type of jihad is called Jihad by the sword and fighting
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So these are the verses which came the word jihad
And also the simple explanation of some Muslims
You are free to believe that the words of the Koran
Or to say what opposers
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Old 02-27-2017, 01:50 AM
 
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1-Go and open the Koran
And Read the verse 52 of Surah Al-Furqan
And where the great jihad
And he apologized for writing verse in Arabic because the forum rules do not allow
I have always stated here in this forum that there are 4 verses in the Qur'aan that include the word "jihad" in them. Verse 25:52 is one of them. Here it is:

25:52 So obey not the unbelievers, but struggle with them with greater jihad (struggle/striving).

The greater jihad is struggle of the Self in not giving in to temptation, lust, falsehood, idol worshiping as the unbelievers were doing and were forcing Muslims to do so as well. This is why the verse says not to obey the unbelievers. For you to claim that this verse is saying fight the believers with sword is your false evidence.

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2-
-Go and open the Koran And Read the verse 4-surat -al -toba
and 14 and 20 and 29 and 36 and 41 and 44 and 73 and 81 and 88 surat al- toba
You go and open the Arabic Qur'aan and read it. None of these verses have the word "jihad" in them. Don't mix "jihad" with "jahad"! The two are not the same thing.

The only verse in this chapter that has the word "jihad" in it is the verse 24. You completely missed it.

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3- surat -al nesai 95
4- surat - al -saf 11
5- al -hag 78
None of these verses include the word "jihad".
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Second: Jihad force.
(اal nesai :95)


What is meant by the wording (of jihad) in this verse and the like Jihad infidels in the battlefield, as evidenced by the verse: {their wealth and their}
The word "jihad" is not in this verse. The words in it are "mujahideen". Mujahid is someone who does "jahad". You are talking about "jihad". "Jihad" is only of the nafs (self struggle).
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Old 02-27-2017, 09:09 PM
 
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I have always stated here in this forum that there are 4 verses in the Qur'aan that include the word "jihad" in them. Verse 25:52 is one of them. Here it is:

25:52 So obey not the unbelievers, but struggle with them with greater jihad (struggle/striving).

The greater jihad is struggle of the Self in not giving in to temptation, lust, falsehood, idol worshiping as the unbelievers were doing and were forcing Muslims to do so as well. This is why the verse says not to obey the unbelievers. For you to claim that this verse is saying fight the believers with sword is your false evidence.

You go and open the Arabic Qur'aan and read it. None of these verses have the word "jihad" in them. Don't mix "jihad" with "jahad"! The two are not the same thing.

The only verse in this chapter that has the word "jihad" in it is the verse 24. You completely missed it.

None of these verses include the word "jihad".
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The word "jihad" is not in this verse. The words in it are "mujahideen". Mujahid is someone who does "jahad". You are talking about "jihad". "Jihad" is only of the nafs (self struggle).
i think You are reading the Koran in the translated version

jihad" -mjahid- yojahed
You can read the Arabic language rules until you know all these words
Jihad is an act
And Mujahid is a person who yojahed
You should review the explanations Muslims to these verses
And that you know the types of jihad in Islam
This is important in the verses

But if you do not know the Arabic language well this is your problem you
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Old 02-28-2017, 12:21 AM
 
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i think You are reading the Koran in the translated version
You think wrong.

I do read the Qur'aan in Arabic. That's why I have told you that there are only 4 verses in the Qur'aan with the word "jihad" in them.

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jihad" -mjahid- yojahed
You can read the Arabic language rules until you know all these words
Jihad is an act
And Mujahid is a person who yojahed
Both the "jihad" and "jahad" are acts of struggling/striving. A Mujahid is a person who is doing "jahad". Read the Arabic Qur'aan and you will find that I am correct.

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You should review the explanations Muslims to these verses
You should review your understanding, and not rely on incorrect explanations.

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And that you know the types of jihad in Islam
This is important in the verses
I know the types of "jihad". There is only one; struggle in one's deen under trying conditions. The other is not "jihad" in the Qur'aan but "jahad". You should know this if you understand the Arabic Qur'aan.

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But if you do not know the Arabic language well this is your problem you
I have no problem in reading and understanding the Arabic Qur'aan. This is why I am trying to make you understand that you have a problem.
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