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Old 12-18-2016, 08:25 PM
 
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You are still lying when claiming that it is verses of the Qur'aan but interpretations of verses from ancient Muslims. I have read the verses and what you claimed isn't in the verses of the Qur'aan.

We can't dialogue with anyone who lies. You dialogue with yourself.

Merry Christmas and a happy new year.
Thank you
I hope you can use your mind and extrapolation
Do not depend on someone else to understand these verses provided by you
Just what I wrote to you is from the Koran and these are some verses of the Koran
She does not believe me that he used to read the verses
And it understands very well greetings to you
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Old 12-19-2016, 10:06 PM
 
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Today we have seen the killing of the Russian ambassador in Turkey
And I heard what he said the killer
He was saying
We who have pledged allegiance to Muhammad for jihad
The murderer is a Turkish officer
An intellectual
But although he educated and Habt
But ideology shares with the goals and ideas of Islamic organizations
Did you notice
Why do we say that the Islamic thought is the essence of terrorism in the world
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Old 12-19-2016, 10:21 PM
 
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Today we have seen the killing of the Russian ambassador in Turkey
And I heard what he said the killer
He was saying
We who have pledged allegiance to Muhammad for jihad
The murderer is a Turkish officer
An intellectual
But although he educated and Habt
But ideology shares with the goals and ideas of Islamic organizations
Did you notice
Why do we say that the Islamic thought is the essence of terrorism in the world
Also note what just happened in Berlin Chrismas Market.

I do not blame the Muslims who did it.
The ultimate cause is that an inherent part [not whole] of Islam's ideology which is very malignant and evil.
The evidence is so glaringly and the majority is so blind to it.
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Old 12-20-2016, 04:59 AM
 
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Also note what just happened in Berlin Chrismas Market.

I do not blame the Muslims who did it.
The ultimate cause is that an inherent part [not whole] of Islam's ideology which is very malignant and evil.
The evidence is so glaringly and the majority is so blind to it.
Such claims about the Qur'aan are made in blindness about the Qur'aan.

The Qur'aan has existed for the past 14 centuries. German Christmas Markets have also been there for many years. I have even visited them. Why now and not for the past several years?

Which verse of the Qur'an tells people to drive a truck into a Berlin Christmas Market?
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Old 12-20-2016, 07:07 PM
 
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Such claims about the Qur'aan are made in blindness about the Qur'aan.

The Qur'aan has existed for the past 14 centuries. German Christmas Markets have also been there for many years. I have even visited them. Why now and not for the past several years?

Which verse of the Qur'an tells people to drive a truck into a Berlin Christmas Market?
You are trying to hide the light of truth sieve

Islamic killer, a Turkish officer
He said
We are who we committed to Jihad Muhammad
This is the authentic Islamic Thought
jihad
And you say do you run over written in the Koran
This is a question naive
Because murder is using all means
In the days of Muhammad was the sword and dagger and spears and fire
Today the plane and Venice
The Islamic State also used the fire
Jordanian pilot killed when captured
And developed into an iron cage and set on fire
The video was terrible
Do you want to be a kill infidels manner Jordanian pilot killed al-kshsbi
الكساسبة
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Old 12-21-2016, 12:11 PM
 
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Such claims about the Qur'aan are made in blindness about the Qur'aan.

The Qur'aan has existed for the past 14 centuries. German Christmas Markets have also been there for many years. I have even visited them. Why now and not for the past several years?

Which verse of the Qur'an tells people to drive a truck into a Berlin Christmas Market?
It's only been recently that Germany idiotically allowed illegal immigrants into their country. Plus Islam has committed atrocities since its inception.
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Old 12-21-2016, 10:36 PM
 
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Such claims about the Qur'aan are made in blindness about the Qur'aan.

The Qur'aan has existed for the past 14 centuries. German Christmas Markets have also been there for many years. I have even visited them. Why now and not for the past several years?

Which verse of the Qur'an tells people to drive a truck into a Berlin Christmas Market?
Btw, which statement did Hitler write specifically in the Main Kempf that Jews are to be gassed by the millions?
Yet it was easily proven that Hitler and his immediate commanders were charged with war crimes and sentenced to death for gassing millions of Jews and other war crimes.
Guilt can be easily be proven by various direct evidences other than self-confessions by the guilty.

If one were to read the Quran thoroughly as I had done, one will note therein is an ethos of contempt for infidels non-Muslims and Muslims are permitted to fight and kill infidels if there are justifications for it, e.g. if they are a threat or a hindrance to Islam.
The problem is the conditions for the justifications are very vague.
Any acts by infidels in relations to Islam and Muslims perceived as negative [corruption, mischief, fitna, etc.] is a threat.
For example the drawing of cartoons is a threat.
The presence of foreign troops anywhere in Islamic land or Islamic groups is a threat.
Criticisms of Islam is a threat.
The slightest uneasiness by Muslims in relation to the Quran is a threat.

Another critical problem is when these acts are perceived as a threat based on the various verses [thousands of evil laden verses] that warn the believers, no one on Earth can decide who is right or wrong.
For example if 50% perceive the drawing of cartoons of Muhammad is a threat [as insult] to Islam, who on Earth can judge whether they are right or wrong.
Answer is no one on Earth can do that, only Allah is the final arbiter.
It is not only cartoons but there a ton of deeds by non-Muslims which are easily interpreted as a threat to Islam. Therefore any Muslim can fight infidels [as a duty] when they perceived these are "justified" for them to defend, fight and kill non-Muslims.

Therefore as long as the Quran exists
1. with its evil laden verses [in part not whole] and
2. with the natural percentage [~20%] of evil prone Muslims,
there will always be evils and violence on Earth. The Quran must take the blame partly [not wholly].

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It's only been recently that Germany idiotically allowed illegal immigrants into their country. Plus Islam has committed atrocities since its inception.
Right on target.

Last edited by Continuum; 12-21-2016 at 10:44 PM..
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Old 12-22-2016, 01:19 AM
 
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Btw, which statement did Hitler write specifically in the Main Kempf that Jews are to be gassed by the millions?
Yet it was easily proven that Hitler and his immediate commanders were charged with war crimes and sentenced to death for gassing millions of Jews and other war crimes.
That's why it wasn't the Mein Kempf that was charged with war crimes but the man who did them.

The same way, if the Qur'an has no statement in it that one should drive a truck into a crowded market then charging the Qur'aan instead of the man who did it is not an intelligent thing to do.
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Old 12-22-2016, 09:59 AM
 
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That's why it wasn't the Mein Kempf that was charged with war crimes but the man who did them.

The same way, if the Qur'an has no statement in it that one should drive a truck into a crowded market then charging the Qur'aan instead of the man who did it is not an intelligent thing to do.
The quran says to commit jihad against the infidel by any means necessary. It doesn't need to specify that you need to drive a truck into a group of people. The Bible doesn't say "do not pirate music or videos off the Internet" either yet the concept of not stealing is there.
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Old 12-22-2016, 10:07 AM
 
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The quran says to commit jihad against the infidel by any means necessary. It doesn't need to specify that you need to drive a truck into a group of people. The Bible doesn't say "do not pirate music or videos off the Internet" either yet the concept of not stealing is there.
Context, context, context. Many of the verses of Jihad are speaking to very specific battles and situations, they are not general statements to cherry pick and run with. Understanding Arabic, tafsir and the historical context are critical in understanding the Quran.
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