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Old 12-09-2016, 01:22 AM
 
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Originally Posted by mahasn sawresho View Post
If God created man to worship
It means that they are not enemies of God
I hope that you look at this verse and studied well
You have comprehension problem. The verse is not saying that God created man to worship but God did not create man to worship any other god.

The verse is saying what humankind were "not created" for.

You will do well to study the verse properly.
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Old 12-09-2016, 06:34 PM
 
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You have comprehension problem. The verse is not saying that God created man to worship but God did not create man to worship any other god.

The verse is saying what humankind were "not created" for.

You will do well to study the verse properly.
Verse clear
In her words
My question is,
Who is the enemy of God
Did God create his feud
He does not know this mis
That sent Muslims, even fighting on his behalf
واعدو لهم ما استطعتم من قوة ورباط الخيل ترهبون به عدو الله وعدوكم
I wrote verse in Arabic
He says the enemy of God
Who is the enemy of God
Did God create enemies
And then regret it
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Old 12-10-2016, 05:53 AM
 
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Verse clear
In her words
My question is,
Who is the enemy of God
Did God create his feud
He does not know this mis
That sent Muslims, even fighting on his behalf
واعدو لهم ما استطعتم من قوة ورباط الخيل ترهبون به عدو الله وعدوكم
I wrote verse in Arabic
He says the enemy of God
Who is the enemy of God
Did God create enemies
And then regret it
You are off topic. The topic of the thread is 51:56. Stick to it!
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Old 12-10-2016, 05:01 PM
 
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You are off topic. The topic of the thread is 51:56. Stick to it!
This is at the core of Thread
You say that the purpose of man's creation is even worship God
Is the enemy of God can worship God
And how God created enemies
There does appear to contradict the Koran with the same
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Old 12-12-2016, 10:34 AM
 
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This is at the core of Thread
You say that the purpose of man's creation is even worship God
Is the enemy of God can worship God
And how God created enemies
There does appear to contradict the Koran with the same
Your English is so poor that you are unable to express yourself.

I never said that the purpose of man's creation is even worship God.

Can you quote my statement in which I say that the purpose of man's creation is even worship God?
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Old 12-12-2016, 10:29 PM
 
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Qur'an 51:50-56

[51.50] Therefore fly to Allah, surely I am a plain warner to you from Him.
[51:51] And do not set up with Allah another god: surely I am a plain warner to you from Him.
[51.52] Thus there did not come to those before them a messenger but they said: A magician or a mad man.
[51.53] Have they charged each other with this? Nay! They are an inordinate people.
[51.54-55] Then turn your back upon them for you are not to blame; and continue to remind, for surely the reminder profits the believers.
[51.56] And I did not create Jinn and humans to serve (anyone else) except Me.

Does the verse 51:56 say that the purpose of human creation was serving/worshiping Allah

or

Does the verse 51:56 say that Allah did not create jinn and humankind to serve/worship anyone else (other gods)?

It is quite obvious to me that in this verse the subject is who to humans should serve/worship and not the purpose when creating humankind. The verse does not say that worshiping Allah was the purpose when creating human but that humans and jinn were not created to worship other gods than Allah. The difference is subtle but becomes quite apparent after some serious reflection.

Allah has chosen His words in the Qur'an precisely. If serving/worshiping Allah (Aabudoo Allah) had been the only or even the main purpose of Allah in creating humans, He would certainly have said somewhere in the Qur'an, "I created humans to serve/worship Me." But He has never said so anywhere in the Qur'an; not even in 51:56. "created not" in 51:56 is not "I created". Too many Muslims have interpreted it "I created" when it is "created not" in 51:56. People have misinterpreted the verse 51:56 by misunderstanding it that it means purpose of human creation of humans.

The purpose of human creation (to place Khalifah of Allah on earth) was declared to the angels even before the creation of Adam (first human) in 2:30.

If I am wrong, other brothers or a sister will, I am sure, point out where I am going wrong. Thanks in advance for correcting my possible understanding.

Peace

Khalif
This is the subject
And you support your opinion that the human creature even worship God
But I made you a verse from the Koran it says that man is the enemy of God
So how you can reconcile the contradictory

And either you mean that all men are Muslims, this is a big mis
Because the meaning of the word Islam means surrender
This is a big mis
Because surrender means defeat
God created man, because God is love
And loving relationship is the proper relationship between the Creator and the creature
This relationship does not know the Koran and Islam also does not know
Because Islam builds on the strength of his ideas and jihad and the sword fighting
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Old 12-13-2016, 02:03 AM
 
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You are lost. Let me remind you as to what is the subject of the OP:

Qur'an 51:50-56

[51.50] Therefore fly to Allah, surely I am a plain warner to you from Him.
[51:51] And do not set up with Allah another god: surely I am a plain warner to you from Him.
[51.52] Thus there did not come to those before them a messenger but they said: A magician or a mad man.
[51.53] Have they charged each other with this? Nay! They are an inordinate people.
[51.54-55] Then turn your back upon them for you are not to blame; and continue to remind, for surely the reminder profits the believers.
[51.56] And I did not create Jinn and humans to serve (anyone else) except Me.

Does the verse 51:56 say that the purpose of human creation was serving/worshiping Allah

or

Does the verse 51:56 say that Allah did not create jinn and humankind to serve/worship anyone else (other gods)?

It is quite obvious to me that in this verse the subject is who to humans should serve/worship and not the purpose when creating humankind. The verse does not say that worshiping Allah was the purpose when creating human but that humans and jinn were not created to worship other gods than Allah. The difference is subtle but becomes quite apparent after some serious reflection.

Allah has chosen His words in the Qur'an precisely. If serving/worshiping Allah (Aabudoo Allah) had been the only or even the main purpose of Allah in creating humans, He would certainly have said somewhere in the Qur'an, "I created humans to serve/worship Me." But He has never said so anywhere in the Qur'an; not even in 51:56. "created not" in 51:56 is not "I created". Too many Muslims have interpreted it "I created" when it is "created not" in 51:56. People have misinterpreted the verse 51:56 by misunderstanding it that it means purpose of human creation of humans.

The purpose of human creation (to place Khalifah of Allah on earth) was declared to the angels even before the creation of Adam (first human) in 2:30.

If I am wrong, other brothers or a sister will, I am sure, point out where I am going wrong. Thanks in advance for correcting my possible understanding.

Peace

Khalif
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Old 12-14-2016, 11:26 PM
 
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You are lost. Let me remind you as to what is the subject of the OP:

Qur'an 51:50-56

[51.50] Therefore fly to Allah, surely I am a plain warner to you from Him.
[51:51] And do not set up with Allah another god: surely I am a plain warner to you from Him.
[51.52] Thus there did not come to those before them a messenger but they said: A magician or a mad man.
[51.53] Have they charged each other with this? Nay! They are an inordinate people.
[51.54-55] Then turn your back upon them for you are not to blame; and continue to remind, for surely the reminder profits the believers.
[51.56] And I did not create Jinn and humans to serve (anyone else) except Me.

Does the verse 51:56 say that the purpose of human creation was serving/worshiping Allah

or

Does the verse 51:56 say that Allah did not create jinn and humankind to serve/worship anyone else (other gods)?

It is quite obvious to me that in this verse the subject is who to humans should serve/worship and not the purpose when creating humankind. The verse does not say that worshiping Allah was the purpose when creating human but that humans and jinn were not created to worship other gods than Allah. The difference is subtle but becomes quite apparent after some serious reflection.

Allah has chosen His words in the Qur'an precisely. If serving/worshiping Allah (Aabudoo Allah) had been the only or even the main purpose of Allah in creating humans, He would certainly have said somewhere in the Qur'an, "I created humans to serve/worship Me." But He has never said so anywhere in the Qur'an; not even in 51:56. "created not" in 51:56 is not "I created". Too many Muslims have interpreted it "I created" when it is "created not" in 51:56. People have misinterpreted the verse 51:56 by misunderstanding it that it means purpose of human creation of humans.

The purpose of human creation (to place Khalifah of Allah on earth) was declared to the angels even before the creation of Adam (first human) in 2:30.

If I am wrong, other brothers or a sister will, I am sure, point out where I am going wrong. Thanks in advance for correcting my possible understanding.

Peace

Khalif
God created man in paradise
And falling to the ground or expulsion from the garden is the result of violating God's commands
This is known in Islam
So God had wanted man in Paradise
God did not intent to have a successor on the ground
God expelled Adam and Eve from paradise
So God did not intend to have a successor on the ground
Go and Read the Koran well
This contrasts Koran hidden for turn your attention

How can the link between that man is on the ground Klevh
And that is the expulsion of man from Paradise
I think you should be looking good
The link between the concept of kalifa
The concept of expulsion from paradise
Did God expel Klevih
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Old 12-15-2016, 10:36 AM
 
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Qur'an
[51.56] And I did not create Jinn and humans to serve (anyone else) except Me.
Does the verse 51:56 say that the purpose of human creation was serving/worshiping Allah
or
Does the verse 51:56 say that Allah did not create jinn and humankind to serve/worship anyone else (other gods)?
Khalif
An astute question.
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Old 12-15-2016, 03:28 PM
 
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Default Purpose of creation of humankind

Why on earth would God need anyone to serve Him???? He is GOD!!!Sheesh!
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