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Old 01-01-2017, 09:29 AM
 
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Not every citizen can be a warrior/soldier but most citizens can in some way support the soldier. While not every Muslims is a terrorist or a soldier for Allah, there are far too many who provide some form of support to those who are terrorist. The support can be money, food, munitions, technical training, online service, medical support, shelter to hide from authorities, recruitment, indoctrination to the terrorist ideals, and many other ways. Without the internet, Muslims would only be exposed to their local mosque and family education. With the internet, the worst of Islam can be shared to the most vulnerable minds even while their parents remain in the dark of their son or daughter being converted to this form of Islam. The signs will be seen but not recognized until it's too late. There's also the export of such ideal with Islamic schools receiving materials and educators from hardline Islamic countries like Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.

So no, not all Muslims are terrorist, but no one knows for sure how many knowingly provide support for Islamic terrorist.
So your claim is that, "Far too many Muslims provide material support for terrorism", yet in the very same post state "but no one knows for sure how many knowingly provide support for terrorism".

You've proven your own claim wrong. You have no evidence to support it.

 
Old 01-01-2017, 09:42 AM
 
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So your claim is that, "Far too many Muslims provide material support for terrorism", yet in the very same post state "but no one knows for sure how many knowingly provide support for terrorism".

You've proven your own claim wrong. You have no evidence to support it.
And where do they get the training, money, shelters, weapons, website development, video editing to release online, food, medical care, and other support if not from fellow Muslims who actively support their actions?
 
Old 01-01-2017, 10:30 AM
 
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And where do they get the training, money, shelters, weapons, website development, video editing to release online, food, medical care, and other support if not from fellow Muslims who actively support their actions?
That wasn't your claim, your claim was *far too many* Muslims provide material support to them, not that some Muslims provide material support.

Now, why do some Muslims provide material support to them? There hasn't been enough data collected to conclude. I'd hypothesize they have a number of aims, notably to stop Iranian/Russian imperialism, anti-US Govt colonialism, anti-Kurdish nationalism, etc... The supposed Islamist bend is just the window dressing, and any intelligent Muslim can see right through it.

Similarly we could all see right through George Bush's administration claiming that the US went to Iraq to spread democracy.

Also note that ISIS obtains material support from more than just outsiders. They produce oil, steal, money launder, pimp, confiscate left over US weaponary, "taxes" on their civilian subjects etc... they have a large criminal element to what they're doing.
 
Old 01-01-2017, 04:46 PM
 
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And your post is part of what's wrong with Islam today.
This is where you and others are going wrong. You blame Islam for whatever a prostitute visitor, alcohol drinker, the Qur'aan forsaking so called ISIS member does.

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Deflect and blame others for the decisions and actions of muslim terrorist around the world.
They are terrorists; not Muslim or Islamic terrorists. If a guy with black beard shoots 10 people in USA, it is terrorism. If a Christian does the same, it's a hate crime. If terrorists kill 143 people in France, it is crime against humanity publicized for weeks and months but if the terrorists kill 143 Muslim children in Pakistan, O well, let them kill each other is often the silent reaction.

Arms in their hands are not from Muslims but from non-Muslims. They are terrorizing Muslims as well. In fact they are killing more Muslims than non-Muslims. The only difference is that you do not hear much about them killing Muslims.

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Yes, USA did train fighters in Afghanistan to fight the Soviet Union. Here was a Muslim country invaded by a non-Muslim country and it was USA that provided aid and support. It was also USA that came to the aid of Kuwait and Bosnia.
You are old enough to know that it wasn't to help Afghanistan but to stop Russians getting a free passage to Persian gulf and the control of oil to the West and the world. The "national interests" in case of oil rich Kuwait were even more profound. Action in Bosnia was too little too late when most Muslims had been already killed by the non-Muslim (Christians) Serbians. This action was a mere face-saver. Delay was due to no "national interests" as there was no oil flowing in Bosnia as it was in Kuwait and Iraq. Iraq invaded Kuwait and there was quick reaction but no reaction when Russia invaded Ukraine and Crimea. When Russian and Syrian jets bombed civilian areas in Syria there was no "national Interest" to get involved.

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It's one thing for citizens to pay required taxes towards their government, it's insane to compare that to people who willingingly provide support to Islamic terrorist knowing the goal is mass murder.
And terrorists are well aware where the arms came from which were used to kill Muslims in Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan Bosnia, Gaza and the jets used to bomb civilians areas in Syria and Yemen recently. Do you even know one major arms supplying country that is Muslim majority country? Do you know why they make so many vile weapons; to save lives?

Now to show you that I am not one of those terrorists, and I have never given any terrorist even a penny, and that I am not against the West, I will highlight other side of the West too. My Islam is no danger to the West. Islam has been destroyed in most Muslim majority countries but is safeguarded in the West.
When Iqbal returned to India about a century ago, after living in the West, he wrote, "I saw Islam in the West but hardly any Muslim but after returning I see a lot of Muslims here but hardly any Islam." He did differentiate Muslims from Islam. You are unable to do that.

You need to learn whether to blame Islam or terrorist for their actions that are not according to the Islamic principles. Blaming people like me won't help the already serious matter.
 
Old 01-01-2017, 05:57 PM
 
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An FBI report shows that only a small percentage of terrorist attacks carried out on U.S. soil between were perpetrated by Muslims. Approximately 2.5% of all terrorist attacks on U.S. soil between 1970 and 2012 were carried out by Muslims.* This is a tiny proportion of all attacks. 4.9% were carried out by Jewish groups such as Jewish Armed Resistance, the Jewish Defense League, Jewish Action Movement, United Jewish Underground and Thunder of Zion. This is almost twice the percentage of Islamic attacks within the United States. If we look at worldwide attacks instead of just attacks on U.S. soil Sunni Muslims are the main perpetrators of terrorism. However: 1. Muslims are also the main victims of terror attacks worldwide; and 2. the U.S. backs the most radical types of Sunnis over more moderate Muslims and Arab secularists.)

(http://www.globalresearch.ca/non-mus...merica/5333619)
Who says all Muslims are terrorists?
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