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Your views above are based on kindergarten shallow and narrow thinking.
First you are not acknowledging reality which comprised of Muslims and non-Muslims, and the reality of different languages amongst these people.
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You are not talking here about the Qur'aan and "jihad" in the Qur'aan but jihad as used outside and differently from the Qur'aan.
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If the conditions is English or Arabic, it is correct to link "jihad" with "Muslims" and "Quran" and this is even legal in an English court if the terms are accepted within the English laws. There is no obligation to link the above to verses in the Quran if it is in the people's [human] court.
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In that case, it has nothing to do with the Qur'aan and Islam. Such jihad is not Islamic but non Islamic.
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But if one is in Allah's court on Judgment Day, then the verses and terms in the Quran will be valid, but even then what prevails is the deeds done, not the terms used.
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If the deed done is not according to "jihad" in the Qur'aan then it is not Islamic deed but secular deed.
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When a jihadists face Allah on judgement day, what is critical are the deeds that are recorded in the book i.e. sijjirin or illiyin by the angels. Allah will not bother too much about the terms.
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It will be a bad deed if done against the guidance in the Qur'aan.
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If a English speaking jihadist believe 'jihad = war on infidels" and kill infidels in the defense of Islam with justifications, Allah will acknowledge the deeds as righteous because there are other verses that justify the killing of infidels if they commit wrongdoings. Allah can easily pardon the wrong use of vocabulary.
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Stop acting on Allah's behalf!
You haven't a clue how Allah will decide on that Day.
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You are ignorant of the subject of lexicography;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lexicography
You have a lot to learn to catch up with the real world.
What is added into a dictionary is not about truth but merely based on common and popular usage.
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That's why you are relying on dictionaries here rather than the Qur'aan and the sense the term "jihad" is used in the Qur'aan. You are not interested in the truth.
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Note that irrational, bastardized and very stupid word 'Islamophobia' in the English dictionary. Based on evidence people are fearful of Islam [partly], therefore the fear of Islam is not irrational, i.e. a phobia.
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Islamophobia is irrational fear of Islam as a result of lies about Islam particularly about use of the word "jihad" which is never used according to the Qur'aan but falsely.
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Note I have not used the term "jihad" seriously to support my hypothesis in the English, Arabic of Quranic perspective often in that context. My hypothesis rely on that tsunami of evil laden verses not on jihad.
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You have left no doubt that you have linked "jihad" to the other verses of the Qur'aan because you perceive them to be evil thus "jihad" is evil. Yes?
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Literally and linguistically, 'jihad = holy war and the likes' is not wrong in any language if they are in their respective dictionaries.
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Jihad is always in defense. It is never an attack on peaceful people. Any attack on peaceful people is not allowed in the Qur'aan.
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Note your ignorance of what is lexicography.
It is linked with the wrong verses with the arabic word جهاد in the Quran, but correct with other evil laden verses in the Quran.
This is merely a problem of mismatch of terms but not in essence of the Quranic evil laden verses.
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That's how you rely on other verses than those that talk about "jihad" to justify wrong meanings of "jihad". You do this not to find the truth but to justify actions of so-called Jihadists to be Islamic.
Jihadists misuse the term on purpose to recruit the ignorant ones. As a result other ignorant ones of the term have been duped to believe the term is true as the Jihadists say and do. So they spend days, as you are doing here, to justify their false understanding of the term.
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The whole world of good people is not agreeing with the terrorists. Btw, it is not only terrorists but there are millions of evil prone Muslims committing all sort of evils and violence [non-terror] on non-Muslims.
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See what I mean!
You have to look somewhere else to justify terrorists are Jihadists.
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What is critical here is there are real evidences of evils and violence [of all kinds] committed by SOME Muslims who made reference to the Quran.
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Most of them make reference to politics and hadith books. The odd reference to the Qur'aan would be out of context. They do that to recruit more. As long as you agree with them, you are part of the problem rather solution to the problem. You have already told us here that you do not blame them for their evil actions.
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What is most important to find the ultimate root causes to this terrible world wide problems [all problems not just those by terrorists].
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Evil potential of humans. As long as they have freewill, you can do nothing to eradicate evil actions of humans. You can't blame the root cause but educate people not to use their freewill for evil actions.
If a Muslim woman wearing hijab is walking down a street and two non-Muslim men go to her and try to take the hijab off and then they drag her on the ground by her hijab (head covering), what is the root cause of this evil action of the two non-Muslims, the Qur'aan, Islam, Islamophobia or the lack of education.
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If you do not search for the root causes which is in the Quran and human nature, the problem will persist eternally and human will forever fire-fighting the problem.
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It is in the human nature but not in the Qur'aan. The Qur'aan has helped teach the majority Muslims to be peaceful. That is an overwhelming evidence that the teachings of the Qur'aan are peaceful. Any opposition to fasad (as in war and in everyday life) is not evil but to create peace.
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Note one example of my logic and rationale; The way of Allah is to ensure Islam conquer all religions.
There are many verses that emphasize on the hindering of Allah's way.
The hindering of Allah's way is a wrongdoing.
Allah permit hostilities on infidels if they commit wrongdoings. 2:193.
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[2.193] And fight with them until there is no persecution, and religion should be only for Allah, but if they desist, then there should be no hostility except against the oppressors.
If they desist fighting and persecuting because your religion is for Allah then there should be no hostility (as an offensive fighting). Fighting here is only in defense when Muslims were persecuted because their religion was for Allah rather than 360 gods.
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The above is the justification of fighting and killing of infidels to defend Islam against wrongdoings.
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Take another look, what is wrongdoing, persecution and hostility against Muslims and Islam in this verse?
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The above is just one example, there are many other reasons and examples.
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The above is only one example of your jihad (English style) against the Qur'aan.
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Again your knowledge of reality is narrow and shallow.
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And your knowledge of the Qur'aan is very shallow and narrow.
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Take look at the above picture.
There are people who can only see either a rabbit or a duck.
Such a picture is vague in a sense.
Are you saying they do not understand what is a rabbit or a duck they really seeing?
The person who only see a duck, understand what is duck that quacks.
Therefore the person who see only a duck is not wrong at all because that is the truth s/he seeing.
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You keep parroting the same thing. It's like asking what came first chicken or egg.
Here, we are not talking about, rabbit, duck, chicken or egg but the Qur'aan and "jihad" according to the Qur'aan; not how you see it or a secular guy formulating a dictionary sees it.
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The above is the same for some Quranic verses which are vague in a sense where there can be two truths which both are acceptable by Allah on Day of Judgment.
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These may be perceived so in your mind but Allah knows the truth. I do not see these verses as "vague" but crystal clear. There is only one truth about "jihad", it is always in defense. Even fighting is only in defense. If infidels do not fight us,we do not fight them is crystal clear rule in the Qur'aan. You will have to counter that if you are to prove yourself correct against the Qur'aan.
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It is not that I believe them. Yes, their actions are Islamic based on various verses in the Quran.
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Don't just say so but show us by quoting the "various verses" in the Qur'aan. Let's see here if you are understanding and applying them correctly according to the Qur'aan.
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What is critical is they believe it is Allah's words and based on my interpretation of the Quran Allah will agree with the deeds in this case regards of the terms used.
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In that case, your interpretation is just as faulty as their interpretation. Therefore, you are just a problem as they are a problem.
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If an English speaking jihadi believe 'jihad = holy war" and turn that into actions, i.e. kill Americans because they commit wrongdoings against Islam, according to the Quran, Allah will reward them in Paradise.
Now 'who are you' to judge on behalf of Allah.
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Who are you and the jihadi (English style) to decide on Allah's behalf? According to the Qur'aan, peaceful people (Americans and the rest) cannot be attacked. If you agree with the terrorists you agree with their actions. As a result, you are just a problem as they are problem.
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Note when a person interpret 'jihad = holy war' they are not relying on merely those 4 verses and other related verses. What they are relying is the hundreds of verses that are related to warfare from the Quran.
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So are you, now (in ignorance). It's like looking for a straw to hang on to.
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In the Quran, jihad = 4 verses.
But to the jihadists, jihad = holy war = 3,400++ verses from the Quran.
note this critical point in bold.
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Making it
bold won't make it true. You have to back up your claim by quoting those verses to prove that these are about "jihad".
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How can they be wrong when to them 'jihad' = holy war = 3,400++ verses from the Quran that is related to warfare on hated infidels.
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They are wrong, according to the Qur'aan, if they attack peaceful infidels.
In any argument in which you blame the Qur'aan for any fighting against the infidels, you will have to show that those infidels were peaceful and the fighting against them was offensive and not defensive.
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Point is I can prove those acts are supported by verses from the Quran.
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Not a hope in the world. The book is from Allah and He has left enough proof to counter arguments against the Qur'aan from people to come like yourself. Other people have tried their best and failed. You are welcome to be part of the statistics.
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Prove to me you have a divine right to judge on behalf of Allah.
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I never claimed so.
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Say you are counsellor to a Muslim jihadist [e.g. Abu Rumaysah] who is bent of doing 'jihad' [English Language]
You may insist, Don't do it!
But the jihadists insist on doing it [commit terror] because Allah in the Quran give permission for him to do it.
What can you do?
Allah will give you power to stop him?
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Who the hell is Abu Rumaysah; some kind of your imagined verse in the Qur'aan?
If terrorists, who kill peaceful people, are not complying with the verses of the Qur'aan then they are not complying with "jihad" in the Qur'aan. You are agreeing with the Jihadists (English type). Who is the problem, you or I?
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Note we are not talking of one, but millions of evil prone Muslims committing all sort of evils and violence of various degrees.
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The billion who do not do so is because of the Qur'aan forbidding them to do evil. You can't see them and the Qur'aan in that light because you have blinkers on. You can't see the full picture in front of you because of the blinkers.
Blinkers are put on race horses so that they see only a narrow path on which they are supposed to run.