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Originally Posted by Woodrow LI
I understand you will disagree with me. Perhaps you believe the Qur'an was sent to teach Islam?
The Qur'an is the reasons for Islam, not the method of how.
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The Quran is a book with the Main Message of Allah with doctrinal principles supported sufficiently by SOME stories, examples, illustrations, parables, analogies.
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Point is Allah did not go about feeding fishes to believers, rather Allah has delivered a message that 'teaches one how to fish' but not in full details on how to prepare, cook and eat the fishes caught.
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Your method of "how to perform Islam" is secondary, it is merely "how to prepare, cook and eat the fishes caught" as in the above analogy.
What is critical with the Quran is analogical the principles of 'how to fish'.
It is not practical for Allah to put in all the details [too voluminous] to cater for various changing conditions and circumstances.
That is why we have various exposition of the principles in details [by Prophets, messengers, scholars] to cater to the lay believers on how to apply the principles to their individual conditions and circumstances.
BUT the main point is these detailed expositions [from the Ahadith and Madhab] cannot be taken as having any divine authority from Allah.
What is WRONGLY claimed and insisted upon by Ahadith-Muslims is ALL that are in the Ahadith [supposedly authenticated] are directly from Allah via whatever Muhammad had done and said. Thus whatever is from the Ahadith must be complied with 100% because Allah said so as done [so claimed] by Muhammad!
This cannot be, because Muhammad as a human being is fallible and vulnerable to sins.
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control is thus whatever is in the Ahadith can only be Islamic [with Allah's authority] if it comply within the SCOPE of the Quran.
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The concept of having perfected Islam, does not mean it is contained in the Qur'an. We are also required to follow the word's of Muhammad(saws) who is the teacher on how to perform Islam
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You do not seem to trust what Allah had delivered?
5:3. [O ye Muslims] ... This day have I [Allah] Perfected your religion [deenakum] for you [Muslims] and completed My favour unto you [Muslims], and have chosen for you [Muslims] as religion [deenan] AL-ISLAM. [al-islama deenan] Whoso is forced by hunger, not by will, to sin: (for him) lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
In 5:3 Allah specifically state ISLAM your religion is
perfected and
completed via the Quran through Muhammad.
perfected and
completed are self-explanatory.
It mean you cannot look elsewhere for Allah's authority.
A Muslim may refer to expositions and explanations of the verses of the Quran, but these expositions and explanations [Ahadiths and Madhab] cannot be taken as having any divine authority, i.e. "do it because Allah said so!"
As long as what Muhammad said is in accordance to the Quran, then it is Islamic [with Allah's authority in accordance to the Quran] but one cannot accept everything just because it was done and said by Muhammad as a divine decree.
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The "Message of the Qur'an" is very simple. "There is only one God(swt) who has no equals, partners nor progeny. Only He is to be worshiped" The Qur'an reiterates that many times and gives example of what happens to those who fail to do so and examples what can be gained by doing so. It also tells of the trials Muslims will face and how to overcome them. It is also a guide as to how we can live life in the most productive manner.
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It is not the Message but "THE MESSAGE," i.e. 100% of it.
The 100% of THE MESSAGE, completed and perfected [5:3] is in the Quran.
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While compliance with the Qur'an is an essential requirement of Islam, that in itself is not the performance of Islam.
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100% compliance must be followed by 100% in practice and in action in terms of principle.
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The basic human principle that 'ALL humans must eat to ensure survival' need to specify exactly what one must eat, how to eat, when to eat, and all the details involved in getting food into the stomach.
In this example, there is no imperative that one must eat 3 times a day [as most people do]. One can eat 5 times a day, 10 times a day, ONCE a day, or once in 2 days, etc. This the 'WHEN' of the principle.
There is the 'WHAT' and 'HOW' of the principle 'ALL humans must eat to ensure survival' which can be very complex and details depending on various factors.
Just as the above main principle, there are also core and main principles [with some examples] in the Quran which are sufficient to a believers to be the best Muslim.
Just as the above analogy, there is no need for a Muslim to follow the detailed 'When' 'What and 'How' of the main principle.
Some believers may want detailed instructions to guide them to ensure the principles are followed, BUT these detailed instructions [Ahadith and Madhabs' guide] CANNOT be claimed to have divine rights, i.e. Do this because God said so. The only basis for this divine authority is from the Quran only.
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46:19. And for ALL [jinn & mankind] there will be ranks [grades and degrees of achievement] from what they do, that He may pay [recompense, repay, compensate] them [jinn & mankind] for their deeds! and they will not be wronged [fairly judged].
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I agree that is a bit difficult to understand. But it does not mean that all Muslims are not equal, it means we will be rewarded and punished in accordance to our deeds. One is either Muslim or not Muslim no levels of Muslimness implied
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It is not difficult to understand. There are many other verses in the Quran that explain how Muslims are graded by rank, degrees and grades as a Muslim on Judgment Day.
Basically all Muslims are equal at the basic level. All Muslims who had submitted to Allah and entered into a covenant with Allah enjoy equal basic rights and are entitled to basic entitlements.
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Wrong. In order to know how to perform Islam, one must know what Muhammad(saws) taught.
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Note this OP;
33:62 The Specific Sunnah of Muhammad is not Sunnah of Allah
re not all sunnah of Muhammad are sunnah of Allah.
The critical principle here is, IF whatever what Muhammad said or done is to be acceptable of having any divine authority, it must imperatively be within the scope of the Quran.
E.g. the covering of hair if ordered by Muhammad cannot carry any divine authority because such an order was never intended nor it is within the scope of the Quran. The same principle applies to all other hadiths.
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One can be the most knowledgeable Qur'an Scholar and never know how to be a Muslim. There probably have been and continue to be non-Muslims better versed in the Qur'an than most Muslim and they have no concept on how to perform Islam
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True there is a big difference between knowing and doing [practiced].
But the only way to be a Muslim is to know what are the principles in the Quran and comply [in mind and practiced] with those principles.
A non-Muslim can comply [without reading the Quran] with the majority of the practices and principles in the Quran [submit to God, pray many times a day, do charity, do righteous acts, etc. ], but s/he cannot be a Muslim unless s/he comply with the critical key principles, i.e. submit to Allah, believe Muhammad is the messenger, and the Last Day.
This is the purpose for Sharia. It behooves an individual to follow the instructions of the 4 madhabs (Sharia) until one has sufficient knowledge to make an informed choice on their own.
A novice chef follows the advice of a Master chef until he achieves the ability to create acceptable cuisine on his own[/quote]Nope.
What is most basic to be a Muslim is for a person to get a Quran, read it, understand the MESSAGE and apply, comply to core key main principle and the associated principles stated therein.
Your chef analogy is not effective.
Note my analogy 'ALL humans must eat to ensure survival.'
What is most critical is the imperative principle must be complied with while the subsidiary principles need not be strictly followed by everyone. 2:286 do you best is sufficient to avoid going to Hell.