U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Religion and Spirituality > Islam
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 06-14-2017, 04:29 PM
 
226 posts, read 123,642 times
Reputation: 64

Advertisements

Is there anything in the Islamic religion that would explain a Muslim nation refusing to accept the existence of Israel as a Jewish state?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 06-14-2017, 04:32 PM
 
226 posts, read 123,642 times
Reputation: 64
Obviously I noticed that the other thread was locked and I assume this specific question is "on topic" for the forum.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-14-2017, 04:52 PM
 
Location: The Triad (NC)
28,497 posts, read 62,167,040 times
Reputation: 32182
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheProcess View Post
Is there anything in the Islamic religion that would explain a Muslim nation
refusing to accept the existence of Israel as a Jewish state?
Have you ever heard of the western wall?
How about the temple mount?
What are the three holiest places in Islam?

Feel free to google for the answers.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-14-2017, 05:17 PM
 
Location: Eretz Yisrael
21,365 posts, read 24,104,739 times
Reputation: 8869
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheProcess View Post
Is there anything in the Islamic religion that would explain a Muslim nation refusing to accept the existence of Israel as a Jewish state?
Look up dhimmi. No non-Muslim may be at a higher level than a Muslim. No non-Muslim have have control over a Muslim site.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-15-2017, 01:07 AM
 
3,167 posts, read 1,038,277 times
Reputation: 289
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheProcess View Post
Is there anything in the Islamic religion that would explain a Muslim nation refusing to accept the existence of Israel as a Jewish state?
There is no need to ask such a question when a State called Israel already exists. Such a question is designed to refuse existence of a Palestinian State so that the existing State called Israel can be gradually expanded into a much larger Jewish State.

The real question should be:

Is there anything in the Jewish religion that would explain Israel's refusal to accept existence of a Muslim Palestinian State?

In terms of religion, rather than in terms of politics, the holy land was not given to a group of people on the basis of being called "Jewish" or "Jews" (a genealogy) but a group of people who obeyed the Commands from God (submitted to God). Reference to this fact can be found even in the Torah. On that basis, Jewish people who obey God can live in that land along with all those who also obey God.

Now to answer your question, there is no mention of a "Jewish" State called "Israel" anywhere in the Qur'an.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-15-2017, 03:15 AM
 
226 posts, read 123,642 times
Reputation: 64
That the quran doesn't mention Israel hardly shows that there isn't a religious dimension to refusing to accept Israel's existence.

And Israel has been willing in the past to accept two states. It is the Arab side that refused two states being created.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-15-2017, 03:46 AM
 
3,167 posts, read 1,038,277 times
Reputation: 289
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheProcess View Post
That the quran doesn't mention Israel hardly shows that there isn't a religious dimension to refusing to accept Israel's existence.
Actually, there are no religious dimension to refuse acceptance of Israeli State unless rights of Muslims in that State are denied. But on the other hand, there ARE religious dimension for Jewish people to refuse a Muslim Palestinian State.

Quote:
Originally Posted by TheProcess View Post
And Israel has been willing in the past to accept two states. It is the Arab side that refused two states being created.
Right now, only Israel is refusing to accept Palestinian State.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-15-2017, 04:39 AM
 
Location: Eretz Yisrael
21,365 posts, read 24,104,739 times
Reputation: 8869
Quote:
Originally Posted by Khalif View Post
...

Right now, only Israel is refusing to accept Palestinian State.

Right now it's the leaders of the proposed Palestinian State who refuse to negotiate with the Israel State in order to become a Palestinian State. They continuously call for other states to force the Israel State to accept all conditions of the Palestinian State for this to happen. Three major wars from outsiders, won them nothing and lost them more. The Israeli State gave them the Gaza Strip, The Palestinian State gave the Israeli State war in return. The Palestinians continuously sing "From the River to the Sea", The Israeli do not.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-15-2017, 05:08 PM
 
3,167 posts, read 1,038,277 times
Reputation: 289
Quote:
Originally Posted by Khalif View Post
Right now, only Israel is refusing to accept Palestinian State.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pruzhany View Post
Right now it's the leaders of the proposed Palestinian State who refuse to negotiate with the Israel State in order to become a Palestinian State.
That's another excuse not to accept Palestinian State. Did anyone negotiate with the Palestinians in order to become a Israeli State?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pruzhany View Post
They continuously call for other states to force the Israel State to accept all conditions of the Palestinian State for this to happen.
They continuously call for halt to the expansion of Israeli State. When will that end; when Genesis 15:18 is fulfilled by Israel?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pruzhany View Post
The Israeli State gave them the Gaza Strip,
Israeli State gave them Gaza Strip without any right of it being a free state. In view of that, it is no more than a concentration camp. If Israelis are so generous, why did they refuse to accept a free Palestinian State in UNGA?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pruzhany View Post
The Palestinians continuously sing "From the River to the Sea", The Israeli do not.
And "from the wadi in Egypt to the great river Euphrates" is in the Jewish scriptures even if not sung loudly. While Palestinians sing, Israelis expand to fulfill their scriptures. No wonder they make all kind of excuses not to accept Palestine State!

If there was no negotiation with Palestinians before the establishment of an Israeli State, there should be no negotiation with Israelis before establishment of a Palestinian State.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-15-2017, 08:02 PM
 
Location: Eretz Yisrael
21,365 posts, read 24,104,739 times
Reputation: 8869
Quote:
Originally Posted by Khalif View Post
That's another excuse not to accept Palestinian State. Did anyone negotiate with the Palestinians in order to become a Israeli State?

They continuously call for halt to the expansion of Israeli State. When will that end; when Genesis 15:18 is fulfilled by Israel?

Israeli State gave them Gaza Strip without any right of it being a free state. In view of that, it is no more than a concentration camp. If Israelis are so generous, why did they refuse to accept a free Palestinian State in UNGA?

And "from the wadi in Egypt to the great river Euphrates" is in the Jewish scriptures even if not sung loudly. While Palestinians sing, Israelis expand to fulfill their scriptures. No wonder they make all kind of excuses not to accept Palestine State!

If there was no negotiation with Palestinians before the establishment of an Israeli State, there should be no negotiation with Israelis before establishment of a Palestinian State.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
I've tried to stay within the gray area of religion, but you just had to cross into politics to make your point. Fine, before this thread gets closed read about the Faisal–Weizmann Agreement which was signed on January 3rd, 1919. There's the negotiation you requested.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:

Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Religion and Spirituality > Islam
Follow City-Data.com founder on our Forum or

All times are GMT -6.

2005-2019, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35 - Top