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Old 06-25-2017, 04:45 AM
 
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I actually don't attack other faiths because I live in a multi-faith household. I still live with my Catholic father and atheist mother. My mother hates religion, so we often do not talk about it. My dad accepts Islam because he doesn't see it that radically different from his beliefs. He believes humanity is more important than religion and he doesn't talk much in the way of religion. We get along.

I don't agree with Catholicism, but I will not attack those in my family that still believe in it, as the ones who do not agree with my conversion will attack me. At the end of the day, we still are family. We might discuss and I might teach them about my beliefs
Ok but this is personal reasons for you in your particular situation not to get into an argument with people close to you. That's fine and understandable.

But this doesn't mean there aren't good reasons to attack other religions generally speaking.

 
Old 06-25-2017, 04:49 AM
 
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A Muslim did something nice and Christians didn't tip you?

Ok, but this tells us next to nothing about religion yes?
If I do not murder a peaceful person, it tells you nothing about my religion. On the other hand, if another person murders a peaceful person, it tells you all about his religion.

Conclusion:

You know nothing about their religion!
 
Old 06-25-2017, 04:52 AM
 
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Ok but this is personal reasons for you in your particular situation not to get into an argument with people close to you. That's fine and understandable.

But this doesn't mean there aren't good reasons to attack other religions generally speaking.
Idols are false gods. Would you attack such gods because they are false?
 
Old 06-25-2017, 05:09 AM
 
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In that case, the "base religion" of Islam is the Qur'aan and "submission" by obeying God. It is the same religion as of Adam, Noah and Abraham. It is tradition of Abraham of obeying God. A Jew or a Christian attacking it would be attacking his own religion.

What if those "sources" were saying the same thing; obey God?

Why should it bother you whether that religion is false if your own religion is true? Should you not be concerned about expressing truth of your religion? That would be a positive thing to do to counteract the other religion.

The criticism has to be constructive and able to stand their ground when challenged. So far, these have failed because nothing has stopped the advancement of Islam.

Try as much as you like, the true religion will never be undermined.

The religion's strength is the Qur'aan:

[41.42] Falsehood shall not come to it from before it nor from behind it; a revelation from the Wise, the Praised One.

[41.43] Naught is said to you but what was said indeed to the messengers before you; surely your Lord is the Lord of forgiveness and the Lord of painful retribution.


As there is nothing new in the religion that wasn't said to the previous messenger, this religion has to be true if the previous messengers and religions were true.
We know that Muslims think their religion extends back to previous prophets. However, obviously, a Christian is going to think this a false claim.

So they can attack Islam just fine without attacking their own religion.

Muslims, however, would be blatantly inconsistent to attack Jesus. (They may still attack the Jesus of the Gospels if they say such and such texts are "corrupted".)

I'm sure it could be pointed out where Islam is a new deviation from previous religions; but for one thing, you would probably just blame it on the "corruption" of past scripture. So anything that didn't fit with Islam you would just automatically reject anyway. You can't expect a Christian is going to have the same approach. Rather, they will see that Islam is inconsistent with Christianity, when Islam claims to follow in the tradition of Jesus, and they will see this inconsistency as evidence that Islam is a false religion.
 
Old 06-25-2017, 05:10 AM
 
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If I do not murder a peaceful person, it tells you nothing about my religion. On the other hand, if another person murders a peaceful person, it tells you all about his religion.

Conclusion:

You know nothing about their religion!
What are you talking about?
 
Old 06-25-2017, 05:41 AM
 
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Hinduism is in a different tradition to Judaism. Judaism doesn't claim to follow on from it, so it's a different situation from what I'm talking about really. Of course a Hindu is still free to harshly criticize Judaism if they wish.

Why would attacking a religion be an "evil" thing?

If a Muslim, or claimed Muslim, comes along saying to be a new prophet with a new divine message that many Muslims think goes against the quran, it would be "evil" to attack them over this? The point Muslims would make, is that the supposed new message doesn't fit with the quran and Islam and so can't really follow on from it. They would basically be in a position of attacking this claimed Muslim as being a false prophet. Or you think Muslims would just politely ignore such claims to have a new revelation to add to the quran?

The quran contains a lot of bashing of other religions and other religious believers. (Whether fair or not.) It's difficult to see how Muslims can object when a Jew or Christian decides to bash Islam?

And why shouldn't you attack a religion if you happen to think it's false? False religions should just be politely accepted? We shouldn't upset people by telling them their religion is wrong?
I am not sure what's your religion but frankly speaking - if I was you, I would question my own religion if it encourages me to attack other religions.

However, I doubt that yours or any other religion allows its followers to attack other religions - so perhaps you are not following your own religion.
 
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