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Old 07-03-2017, 12:32 AM
 
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So how many of the NT verses would be found to be comparable to verses found in the Quran.

It doesn't have to exact, merely comparable for example like the verse in 1 Peter 5:8

Be sober-minded; be watchful. Your adversary the devil
prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour.

The Quran does call the infidel a devil doesn't it? So does it say anything like

Be sober-minded; be watchful. Your adversary the infidel
prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour.

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1 Peter 4:7
The end of all things is at hand; therefore be self-controlled
and sober-minded for the sake of your prayers.

1 Thessalonians 5:6
So then let us not sleep, as others do, but let us keep awake and be sober.

Galatians 5:21
Envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you
before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

1 Peter 1:13
Therefore, preparing your minds for action, and being sober-minded, set your
hope fully on the grace that will be brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ.

Proverbs 20:1
Wine is a mocker, strong drink a brawler, and whoever is led astray by it is not wise.

Romans 12:3
For by the grace given to me I say to everyone among you not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think, but to think with sober judgment, each according to the measure of faith that God has assigned.

1 Timothy 3:2
Therefore an overseer must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, sober-minded, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach,

Ephesians 5:18
And do not get drunk with wine, for that is debauchery, but be filled with the Spirit,

Titus 2:2
Older men are to be sober-minded, dignified, self-controlled, sound in faith, in love, and in steadfastness.

Titus 2:6
Likewise, urge the younger men to be self-controlled.

1 Timothy 3:2-3
Therefore an overseer must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, sober-minded, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, not a drunkard, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money.

1 Timothy 3:11
Their wives likewise must be dignified, not slanderers, but sober-minded, faithful in all things.

2 Timothy 4:5
As for you, always be sober-minded, endure suffering, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry.

1 Corinthians 5:11
But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one.

Isaiah 5:11
Woe to those who rise early in the morning, that they may run after
strong drink, who tarry late into the evening as wine inflames them!

Ephesians 6:11
Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the schemes of the devil.

Romans 13:13
Let us walk properly as in the daytime, not in orgies and drunkenness,
not in sexual immorality and sensuality, not in quarreling and jealousy.

Titus 2:12
Training us to renounce ungodliness and worldly passions, and
to live self-controlled, upright, and godly lives in the present age,

James 4:7
Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

1 Thessalonians 5:8
But since we belong to the day, let us be sober, having put on the
breastplate of faith and love, and for a helmet the hope of salvation.

1 Corinthians 8:9
But take care that this right of yours does not somehow become a stumbling block to the weak.

1 Corinthians 6:10
Nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

Proverbs 23:31
Do not look at wine when it is red, when it sparkles in the cup and goes down smoothly.

1 Timothy 3:3
Not a drunkard, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money.

1 Thessalonians 5:6-8
So then let us not sleep, as others do, but let us keep awake and be sober. For those who sleep, sleep at night, and those who get drunk, are drunk at night. But since we belong to the day, let us be sober, having put on the breastplate of faith and love, and for a helmet the hope of salvation.

1 Peter 4:3
For the time that is past suffices for doing what the Gentiles want to do, living in sensuality, passions, drunkenness, orgies, drinking parties, and lawless idolatry.

Romans 14:21
It is good not to eat meat or drink wine or do anything that causes your brother to stumble.

Titus 2:11-12
For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people, training us to renounce ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright, and godly lives in the present age,

Hosea 4:11
Whoredom, wine, and new wine, which take away the understanding.

Proverbs 23:20-21
Be not among drunkards or among gluttonous eaters of meat, for the drunkard
and the glutton will come to poverty, and slumber will clothe them with rags.

Ephesians 4:27
And give no opportunity to the devil.



It is written the he that is of God hears Gods words so it would surprise me if there are not similar passages to those above written in the Quran. Thank you in advance for your response.
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Old 07-03-2017, 01:12 AM
 
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These verses of the Qur'aan might help:

[4.43] O you who believe! Do not go near prayer when you are Intoxicated until you know (well) what you say…

[2.219] They ask you about intoxicants and games of chance. Say: In both of them there is a great sin and means of profit for people, and their sin is greater than their profit.

[5.90] O you who believe! Intoxicants and games of chance and (sacrificing to) stones set up and (dividing by) arrows are only an uncleanness, the Shaitan's work; shun it therefore that you may achieve salvation.

[5.91] The Shaitan only desires to cause enmity and hatred to spring in your midst by means of intoxicants and games of chance, and to keep you off from the remembrance of Allah and from prayer. Will you then desist?

[36.60] Did I not charge you, O children of Adam ! That you should not serve the Shaitan? Surely he is your open enemy,
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Old 07-03-2017, 03:35 AM
 
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Thank you, the check is the mail.

Last edited by deadwood; 07-03-2017 at 03:50 AM..
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Old 07-03-2017, 09:06 PM
 
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Do not go near prayer when you are Intoxicated until you know (well) what you say

But this does not forbid intoxicants. It simply says you have to be aware of your words when you pray. So where does it start - 0.6% More? Less? It sort of points more towards how well you respond to intoxicants, right?

Also, aren't rivers in heaven filled with wine?

The Noble Qur`an points to four kinds of liquid that flow in four different riverbeds in heaven: the river of water that quenches thirst; the river of milk that satiates hunger; the river of honey that gives pleasure and strength; and the river of wine for happiness.5
Happiness? I am recovered alcoholic, no happiness in that.


Really?

Traditions relate that inhabitants will be of the same age (33 years), and of the same standing. Their life is one of bliss including wearing sumptuous robes, bracelets and perfumes as they partake in exquisite banquets served in priceless vessels by immortal youths (Houri), as they recline on couches inlaid with gold or precious stones. In them are women limiting [their] glances, untouched before them by man or jinni -
So which of the favors of your Lord would you deny? -

— Quran surah 55 (Ar-Rahman), 56-57

I am respectful but is this best proposed? Fancy buffet with virgins? And free jewelry? C'mon....
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Old 07-04-2017, 01:25 AM
 
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Do not go near prayer when you are Intoxicated until you know (well) what you say

But this does not forbid intoxicants.
Please keep in mind that people were drinking wine at the time that was making them drunk at prayer times too. The Qur'aan stopped their drinking habit gradually. First it was stopping them getting drunk at prayer time and then at all times.

It began with no intoxication before prayers:

[4.43] O you who believe! Do not go near prayer when you are Intoxicated until you know (well) what you say…

It doesn't say no intoxication before prayers but make sure that you are sober at prayer times. How would they be sober before prayer times? They will have to decide to limit their drinking without being literally told to do so.

Then they were educated about intoxication and gambling that in these there is less profit/benefit and loss/sin is more. Therefore, would you go for profit/benefit which is less or for loss/sin which is more? Make up your own mind.

[2.219] They ask you about intoxicants and games of chance. Say: In both of them there is a great sin and means of profit for people, and their sin is greater than their profit.

After the education, came the total ban ("shun it") on Shaitan's work as it stops people doing good deeds and thus it becomes obstacle in their salvation in the hereafter.

[5.90] O you who believe! Intoxicants and games of chance and (sacrificing to) stones set up and (dividing by) arrows are only an uncleanness, the Shaitan's work; shun it therefore that you may achieve salvation.

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It simply says you have to be aware of your words when you pray. So where does it start - 0.6% More? Less? It sort of points more towards how well you respond to intoxicants, right?
Wrong.

It told them (people at the time) to stop going near prayer if drunk.

It says nothing about how much they should drink before the prayer but what they should not do.

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Also, aren't rivers in heaven filled with wine?
Yes. That wine will not make anyone drunk (intoxicated).

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The Noble Qur`an points to four kinds of liquid that flow in four different riverbeds in heaven: the river of water that quenches thirst; the river of milk that satiates hunger; the river of honey that gives pleasure and strength; and the river of wine for happiness.5
Happiness? I am recovered alcoholic, no happiness in that.

Really?
This is only a parable of four types of pure drink in Paradise. None of them will make you drunk as the man-made wine on this earth does to you. Any parable in the Qur'aan must not be taken literally.

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Traditions relate that inhabitants will be of the same age (33 years), and of the same standing. Their life is one of bliss including wearing sumptuous robes, bracelets and perfumes as they partake in exquisite banquets served in priceless vessels by immortal youths (Houri), as they recline on couches inlaid with gold or precious stones. In them are women limiting [their] glances, untouched before them by man or jinni -
So which of the favors of your Lord would you deny? -

— Quran surah 55 (Ar-Rahman), 56-57

I am respectful but is this best proposed? Fancy buffet with virgins? And free jewelry? C'mon....
Parables should not be taken literally:

[47.15] A parable of the garden/paradise which those who are conscious (of God) are promised: Therein are rivers of water that does not alter, and rivers of milk the taste whereof does not change, and rivers of drink delicious to those who drink, and rivers of honey clarified and for them therein are all fruits and protection from their Lord. (Are these) like those who abide in the fire and who are made to drink boiling water so it rends their bowels asunder.

A similar parable is also given in the Qur'aan about this life on earth too:

[18.45] And set forth to them parable of the life of this world: like water which We send down from the cloud so the herbage of the earth becomes tangled on account of it, then it becomes dry broken into pieces which the winds scatter; and Allah is the holder of power over all things.

It is not literal but an allegory/parable/similitude/example etc.
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