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Old 07-27-2017, 09:28 PM
 
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For one thing, a single person verifying a splitting of the moon is not remotely close to be good enough. There should be whole civilizations recording the event. Secondly, and this is what makes me question some of the honesty found here in this folder: the splitting of the moon is generally attributed to Muhammad. Is that not correct? Raja Rama Kulasekhara lived approximately 400 years after Muhammad. He never met Muhammad, let alone ever saw a moon being split.
it was seen also in china
and the one who lived approximately 400 years after Muhammad is not the same one
look at the date of the Mosque 629 A.D Muhammad died on 632 A.D .
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Old 07-27-2017, 09:39 PM
 
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Ah, minor details of course!
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here are more details

...As is well known in Kerala, on a moon-lit night the king while walking on the rooftop of his palace along with the queen saw the moon suddenly splitting into two halves. Later he came to know through the Arab traders that.. INTERVIEW


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I am wondering why he does not believe the testimony of any one individual who claims something? Like Joseph Smith! You think a better set of criteria and methodology could be employed here! I guess not!
Allah did not leave us without guidance regarding this matter
The Holy Quran has answers for any thing regarding life
Muhammad is not the father of any man among you,
but he is the messenger of Allah and the Seal of the Prophets
and Allah is ever Aware of all things. The Holy Quran .
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Old 07-27-2017, 10:11 PM
 
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here are more details

...As is well known in Kerala, on a moon-lit night the king while walking on the rooftop of his palace along with the queen saw the moon suddenly splitting into two halves. Later he came to know through the Arab traders that.. INTERVIEW




Allah did not leave us without guidance regarding this matter
The Holy Quran has answers for any thing regarding life
Muhammad is not the father of any man among you,
but he is the messenger of Allah and the Seal of the Prophets
and Allah is ever Aware of all things. The Holy Quran .
Here is the problem: you are engulfed in a religious belief that has made you incapable of seeing your religious belief from an objective, unbiased perspective. A distant word-of-mouth account of one man seeing a split moon and you are accepting it as fact. Would you believe that the Mormon Joseph Smith could talk to God by simply dropping some alleged "seer stones" in a hat and then placing his face down into the hat? No, of course not. Something so far-fetched would require a lot of evidence, wouldn't it? Yet you probably cannot transfer that rational thought process to your own religious belief, in this case, a moon that is split. A devout Mormon would truly believe that Joseph Smith received the word of God from stones in a hat. Yet to him or her, your tale would be preposterous.

Anyway, there is no point in going on with this unless you can step out from behind the biased, irrational religious thought process and see things objectively. With all due respect, these things you present as "evidence" are ludicrous. I've probably said that to a Mormon too when he talked about Joseph Smith's hat full of stones.
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Old 07-27-2017, 11:06 PM
 
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logic and analysis.


more than 1400 years ago the non believers wanted to find anything to use it against the prophet to destroy his message and they tried many different things

and one day they told him if you want us to believe then split the moon into two

the prophet asked Allah to split the moon
the moon was split into two

they could see one half above a mountain in the right
and the other half above another mountain in the left
and they could see a third mountain between the two half

but despite this big miracle the non believers did not believe

but they had to say something to make their hearts comfortable so they said this is magic

and their leader to be more logical and comfortable he said let us wait until the other people who will come soon to this city and we ask them if they could see the moon split into two because if Mohammed cast magic on us then he could not cast magic on all the people.

and when other people arrived to Mecca they asked them about the moon and they said yes we saw the moon split

then their leader said this is a continues magic.

Allah reveled these versus
The hour drew nigh and the moon was rent in twain.
And if they behold a portent they turn away and say: Prolonged illusion.
They denied (the Truth) and followed their own lusts. Yet everything will come to a decision
And surely there hath come unto them news whereof the purport should deter,
Effective wisdom; but warnings avail not.
So withdraw from them (O Muhammad) on the day when the Summoner summoneth unto a painful thing.
With downcast eyes, they come forth from the graves as they were locusts spread abroad, The Holy Quran.
The non believers and their leaders did not deny that.

If the moon was not really split then the non believers would say Muhammad says in the Quran that the moon was split and we said it Prolonged illusion.
And they would say Muhammad is a liar .

But because what happened was true then they did not comments on
The hour drew nigh and the moon was rent in twain.
And if they behold a portent they turn away and say: Prolonged illusion.

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Old 07-27-2017, 11:14 PM
 
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logic and analysis.


more than 1400 years ago the non believers wanted to find anything to use it against the prophet to destroy his message and they tried many different things

and one day they told him if you want us to believe then split the moon into two

the prophet asked Allah to split the moon
the moon was split into two

they could see one half above a mountain in the right
and the other half above another mountain in the left
and they could see a third mountain between the two half

but despite this big miracle the non believers did not believe

but they had to say something to make their hearts comfortable so they said this is magic

and their leader to be more logical and comfortable he said let us wait until the other people who will come soon to this city and we ask them if they could see the moon split into two because if Mohammed cast magic on us then he could not cast magic on all the people.

and when other people arrived to Mecca they asked them about the moon and they said yes we saw the moon split

then their leader said this is a continues magic.

Allah reveled these versus
The hour drew nigh and the moon was rent in twain.
And if they behold a portent they turn away and say: Prolonged illusion.
They denied (the Truth) and followed their own lusts. Yet everything will come to a decision
And surely there hath come unto them news whereof the purport should deter,
Effective wisdom; but warnings avail not.
So withdraw from them (O Muhammad) on the day when the Summoner summoneth unto a painful thing.
With downcast eyes, they come forth from the graves as they were locusts spread abroad, The Holy Quran.
The non believers and their leaders did not deny that.

If the moon was not really split then the non believers would say Muhammad says in the Quran that the moon was split and we said it Prolonged illusion.
And they would say Muhammad is a liar .

But because what happened was true then they did not comments on
The hour drew nigh and the moon was rent in twain.
And if they behold a portent they turn away and say: Prolonged illusion.
Do you believe that the Mormon prophet Joseph Smith placed special stones (called "seer stones") into a hat, put his face down into the hat, and received the word of God? This account is based on stories from the first half of the 19th Century. There are the standard "disbelievers" and there are those who accept the stories as true based on second-hand accounts. If you don't believe the Mormon tale, then there is no real reason why you should believe in the stories of Muhammad. They are second-hand accounts of supernatural tales completely unverified and lacking in supporting evidence. But probably the bigger issue as far as this brief discussion is concerned is; you do not realize your own bias, lack of objectivity and your absence of rational analysis. I can try to demonstrate all of that by presenting the Mormon version of the same thing, but of course that doesn't work. To you, that tale is silly and your religious tale if fact.
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Old 07-27-2017, 11:29 PM
 
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The thing that I can comment about Joseph Smith and I am 100% sure about it is that he is not a prophet, not him and not any one else

Allah said that Muhammad is final prophet.

no prophet will come or came after him and no prophet was between him and Jesus.
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Old 07-28-2017, 12:01 AM
 
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The thing that I can comment about Joseph Smith and I am 100% sure about it is that he is not a prophet, not him and not any one else

Allah said that Muhammad is final prophet.

no prophet will come or came after him and no prophet was between him and Jesus.
How do you know that! Mormons would just as easily say the same about their own prophet. How can you not see the problem you have with such claims. It is so ridiculous! And you are not 100% anything - stop fooling yourself for you are surely not fooling anyone else with this BS!
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Old 07-28-2017, 03:25 AM
 
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Jesus received only one Holy book from Allah and this is the Gospel and in Arabic language is called ingeel
How many gospels are there at present
It is supposed to be only one and there are versions not found or found recently
Similar to the Torah how many versions are there
what i want to say is that Joseph Smith might found a new version of one of the religious books and he took advantage of that.


The Holy Quran is the final Holy Book

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Old 07-28-2017, 05:07 AM
 
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The Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessing of Allah be upon him) set out for Tabuk.
appointing 'Ali as his deputy (in Medina).
Ali said,
"Do you want to leave me with the children and women?"
The Prophet said,
"Will you not be pleased that you will be to me like Aaron to Moses?
But there will be no prophet after me."
do you believe in this version of the gospel

in the 22nd chapter of the Gospel of Barnabas it says:
“And this will continue until there comes Muhammad the Messenger of God who, when he comes, will expose this deceit to those who believe in the laws of God.” https://islamqa.info/en/44018


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Old 07-28-2017, 09:12 AM
 
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There is no point in continuing this discussion. In fact, there is no point in directing this very comment to truth_teller. It is futile. I think I feel like what a modern doctor feels like when he sees a disease in a 3rd world nation and he cannot convince the local population that the illness is a treatable virus, and not an evil spirit.
Yes, there is a huge gap in perspective and understanding that is present with many from such backgrounds.
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