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Old 08-07-2018, 06:58 PM
 
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I never understood why that Muslims hold to the idea that just because Mohammad is the very last prophet to come - why then does this mean that Muslims do not need to preserve the Torah and Gospels that the Quran declared that existed with Mohammad and the Muslims at His time.

Why did Muslims not preserve a single gospel or Old Testament scripture ?
Why did Muslims not translate a single gospel or Old Testament scripture ?
Why did Muslims not place the Torah and gospels that the Quran mentions as "so vitally important into the body of the Quran ? Why are they thrown away or lost ? if Gospels and Torah or any scriptures existed that confirmed the message of the Quran.

Good questions.



Some very simple answers.


By the time Muhammad(saws) was born Hebrew had ceased to be a spoken language for nearly 1000 years and had been replaced with Aramaic.


The Gospels are not scripture, but are accounts by the apostles and like all eye-witness accounts are subject to error. The oldest known Bibles were in Koin Greek
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Old 08-07-2018, 07:07 PM
 
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Good questions.



Some very simple answers.


By the time Muhammad(saws) was born Hebrew had ceased to be a spoken language for nearly 1000 years and had been replaced with Aramaic.


The Gospels are not scripture, but are accounts by the apostles and like all eye-witness accounts are subject to error. The oldest known Bibles were in Koin Greek

Oddly the oldest known Bible in Hebrew was not written until 930 AD, Nearly 300 years after Muhammad(saws)


"The Aleppo Codex, the oldest Hebrew Bible that has survived to modern times, was created by scribes called Masoretes in Tiberias, Israel around 930 C.E. As such, the Aleppo Codex is considered to be the most authoritative copy of the Hebrew Bible. The Aleppo Codex is not complete, however, as almost 200 pages went missing between 1947 and 1957."


https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/...-hebrew-bible/
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Old 08-07-2018, 10:33 PM
 
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Thank you for the information, Woodrow. I continue to learn from you.

I don't know if you know, but I've been working for a Muslim family-owned engineering business for the past year. Pakistani immigrants who have been here since the 1980s and their American-born son.

You spoke in the past about Islam being a way of life, a way of conducting one's self. I have been fortunate to see that way of life in my current employers, in the way they run their business.
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Old 08-08-2018, 10:54 AM
 
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Oddly the oldest known Bible in Hebrew was not written until 930 AD, Nearly 300 years after Muhammad(saws)
Using the link you provide, we see that "The Dead Sea Scrolls date between 250 B.C.E. and 68 C.E. and represent the largest group of Second Temple Jewish literature ever discovered. The Dead Sea Scrolls contain two types of documents: fragments of the oldest Hebrew Bible texts and writings that—most scholars argue—describe the beliefs and practices of a community of Jews living and writing at the nearby settlement of Qumran."

That time period is 860 years before Muhamd had his visions.
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Old 08-08-2018, 06:58 PM
 
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Using the link you provide, we see that "The Dead Sea Scrolls date between 250 B.C.E. and 68 C.E. and represent the largest group of Second Temple Jewish literature ever discovered. The Dead Sea Scrolls contain two types of documents: fragments of the oldest Hebrew Bible texts and writings that—most scholars argue—describe the beliefs and practices of a community of Jews living and writing at the nearby settlement of Qumran."

That time period is 860 years before Muhamd had his visions.

That is true. But for all practical purposes they were no longer known until they were found in 1946
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