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Old 10-29-2017, 11:34 AM
 
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As to the other 2 points there is nothing in Islamic Scripture that allows murder or stealing.

Muahammad your prophet did it.
He also **** his daughter in law, isn't it true?


Just some posts before we were talking about verset ou allow killing and who were talking about war booty.
Isn't war booty something you have stole to your ennemy?


How muhammad who engage himself in war and marry with at least a dozen of women (including a child) follow the message of Jesus who sacrify himelf without using violence and who stay pure?
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Old 10-29-2017, 11:46 AM
 
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Muhammad didn't send his men rade traid caravans?
They said it in the koran, your book...
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Quote the Ayyat about the Caravan attack
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I give you the number 2:217. Can't you make it by yourself?
You give 2:217 for caravan attacks?
The verse 2:217 has nothing to do with any caravan attacks.

As you claim that the verse about the caravan attacks is in the Qur'an, you better quote that verse or you will make yourself look like a false accuser.
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Old 10-29-2017, 11:58 AM
 
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You give 2:217 for caravan attacks?
The verse 2:217 has nothing to do with any caravan attacks.

As you claim that the verse about the caravan attacks is in the Qur'an, you better quote that verse or you will make yourself look like a false accuser.

We already had a discussion about it.
Muhammad men raid a caravan but it was during the holy month. They came back to muhammad camp and He gave this verset.
2:217 is obviously a feedback after a raid or a battle. History tell us it's after a caravan raid.
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Old 10-29-2017, 12:01 PM
 
Location: Logan Township, Minnesota
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Muahammad your prophet did it.
He also **** his daughter in law, isn't it true?


Just some posts before we were talking about verset ou allow killing and who were talking about war booty.
Isn't war booty something you have stole to your ennemy?


How muhammad who engage himself in war and marry with at least a dozen of women (including a child) follow the message of Jesus who sacrify himelf without using violence and who stay pure?
Are you aware that the Qur'an is the only Abrahamic religious scripture that limits the nomber of wives a man can have and is the only scripture that prescribes an age for marriage (A person must be Mentally, Physically and financially able) before they can enter into a Nikkah (Marriage contract) We do not know Aisha's age at the time she and Muhammad(saws) married.
Keep in mind Moses was also a great Military leader as was David and Solomon along with other Prophets(PBUT) How Many wives did Solomon have?

War booty is not theft. It is the property taken from enemy forces that have waged war against you. Until recent times paid armies were not the norm, soldiers were paid by what they took from defeated enemy forces. Even today "spoils of war" are acceptable. Muhammad(saws) was one of if not the first military leader to establish rules of war.

1. . “Do not kill any child, any woman, or any elder or sick person.” (Sunan Abu Dawud) 2. “Do not practice treachery or mutilation.(Al-Muwatta)
3. Do not uproot or burn palms or cut down fruitful trees.(Al-Muwatta)
4. Do not slaughter a sheep or a cow or a camel, except for food.” (Al-Muwatta)
5. “If one fights his brother, [he must] avoid striking the face, for God created him in the image of Adam.” (Sahih Bukhari, Sahih Muslim)
6. “Do not kill the monks in monasteries, and do not kill those sitting in places of worship. (Musnad Ahmad Ibn Hanbal)
7. “Do not destroy the villages and towns, do not spoil the cultivated fields and gardens, and do not slaughter the cattle.” (Sahih Bukhari; Sunan Abu Dawud)
8. “Do not wish for an encounter with the enemy; pray to God to grant you security; but when you [are forced to] encounter them, exercise patience.” (Sahih Muslim)
9. “No one may punish with fire except the Lord of Fire.” (Sunan Abu Dawud).
10. “Accustom yourselves to do good if people do good, and to not do wrong even if they commit evil.” (Al-Tirmidhi)
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Old 10-29-2017, 12:16 PM
 
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Muahammad your prophet did it.
He also **** his daughter in law, isn't it true?
That is a lie.

Muhammad had 2 sons, both died early, never having married.

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Just some posts before we were talking about verset ou allow killing and who were talking about war booty.
Isn't war booty something you have stole to your ennemy?
The enemy shouldn't have attacked Muslims first if they didn't want to leave booty for Muslims.

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How muhammad who engage himself in war and marry with at least a dozen of women (including a child) follow the message of Jesus who sacrify himelf without using violence and who stay pure?
All Muhammad's wives were either widows or divorced apart from just one.

And Jesus never married any. Why do the Christians marry? Why not emulate Jesus, stay pure like Jesus and sacrifice life for others' sins like Jesus is alleged to have done?
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Old 10-29-2017, 12:18 PM
 
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The Basic teaching of Muhammad(saws) is "There is only one god and only He is to be worshiped" as taught by all the True Prophets(pbut) of the past. Muhammad(saws) did not negate,change nor do away with the Teachings of all the past Prophets{pbut) the Teachings of Moses, Abraham, Jesus etc(pbut) are still to be followed.
One of the commandments is thou shalt not covet thy neighbors wife. Muhamed coveted and took his daughter in law. So Muhamed is not following the teachings given in the ten commandments.

He either changed and did away with that commandment. Or he kept it and did not follow it.

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Old 10-29-2017, 12:23 PM
 
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We already had a discussion about it.
Muhammad men raid a caravan but it was during the holy month. They came back to muhammad camp and He gave this verset.
2:217 is obviously a feedback after a raid or a battle. History tell us it's after a caravan raid.
So now you are backtracking from a verse in the Qur'an to your history book tells you so.

Why accuse the Qur'an if it is in some kind of history book? Why not say it is in the history book in the first place?

You have been found out lacking knowledge about the Qur'an. Admit it?
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Old 10-29-2017, 12:33 PM
 
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Are you aware that the Qur'an is the only Abrahamic religious scripture that limits the nomber of wives a man can have
There are many reference to monogamy in the bible.
Interesting you put your finger on another point where muhammad go against the message of jesus.






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is the only scripture that prescribes an age for marriage (A person must be Mentally, Physically and financially able) before they can enter into a Nikkah (Marriage contract) We do not know Aisha's age at the time she and Muhammad(saws) married.
While arranged marriage were and are still very popular in muslim country. Even marriage between cousins.
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Old 10-29-2017, 12:35 PM
 
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One of the commandments is thou shalt not covet thy neighbors wife. Muhamed coveted and took his daughter in law. So Muhamed is not following the teachings given to Moses the ten commandments.

He either changed and did away with that commandment. Or he kept it and did not follow it.

= inconsistency
So you have believed what another poster has accused Muhammad of! Too bad; I expected you to be more intelligent.

Muhammad did not covet and took his daughter in law. Do you even know the true story?

Had you have known the facts about the story, you would not have done as you have done here.

Muhammad never coveted his neighbour's wife.
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Old 10-29-2017, 01:14 PM
 
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There are many reference to monogamy in the bible.
Interesting you put your finger on another point where muhammad go against the message of jesus.
Name a single verse in the Bible that prohibits polygamy. The Book of Timothy in the Bible only prohibits it for clergy.

From a Christian site: "Is there a law in the Bible that prohibits polygamy? No. There is no such law found in the Bible. And where polygamous relationships are noted, there is nothing negative said about this form of marriage. However, there are many laws noted in scripture that regulate the polygamous marriage and there are also many scriptures that clearly show that polygamy does not violate God's law."

SOURCE-----Polygamy










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While arranged marriage were and are still very popular in muslim country. Even marriage between cousins.
Arraigned marriages are not allowed in Islam. Unless both parties agree to it: "Arranged marriages are allowed and promoted in Islam as long as they are accepted by both the bride and the groom. One of the conditions for the Nikah (marriage ceremony) to be valid is both the man and woman are asked independently of each other as to whether they agree with the marriage or not." What Does Islam Say About Forced/Arranged/Love/ Secret Marriages? | The Revival

Marriages between cousins are permitted in nearly every country. Including 20 States in the USA. Here is a listing of the US States that allow marriage between cousins.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cousin...tates_by_state
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