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Old 11-05-2017, 12:55 PM
 
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Wrong!

Saudi Arabia is a land owned by Saud family. A non-Saudi cannot buy any land, house, shop in Saudi Arabia even if s/he is a Muslim. How is it Muslim land if a Muslim can't buy even a small piece of that land there?

Saud family owns the lot.
Saudi Arabia is governed by Sharia law and therefore by my definition, it is a Muslim land.
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Old 11-05-2017, 01:08 PM
 
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My own definition of a Muslim land would be one that has as sharia law as its primary form of rule of law. That would include Pakistan, Yemen, Iraq and Iran with a handful of other nations strong possibilities to fit that criteria.
My definition of a Muslim land is the land given to those who obey God, submit to God and thus are Muslims entirely due to that fact. The only land that was given to those who were submitting to God (and thus were Muslims) is the land called Holy Land.

I don't know what kind of sharia law is in Iraq, Iran and Yemen but I am quite sure that Pakistan (despite its name) does not have sharia law as its primary form of rule of law. It has mixture of secular and religious laws. Head of State is not a religious figure but democratically elected as are all members of the National Assembly (Parliament). Recent prime minister has been found to be a liar and has been disqualified by the most senior Court because of his lies rather than for not praying or not fasting.

The only State that can be called Sharia compliance State is that which has its leader called Khalifah, the State an Islamic Khilafah based on pure Islamic laws. There is no such State in existence today.
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Old 11-05-2017, 01:12 PM
 
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Saudi Arabia is governed by Sharia law and therefore by my definition, it is a Muslim land.
It is not governed by Sharia Law but by Saud family. You are a second or third class citizen there if you are not a Saudi despite being a Muslim.
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Old 11-05-2017, 01:24 PM
 
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It is not governed by Sharia Law but by Saud family. You are a second or third class citizen there if you are not a Saudi despite being a Muslim.
According to a number of unbiased research resources, the laws in Saudi Arabia are based on Islamic, Sharia law. So should I base my understanding of the laws governing Saudi Arabia on those sources, or you?
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Old 11-05-2017, 02:08 PM
 
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It is not governed by Sharia Law but by Saud family. You are a second or third class citizen there if you are not a Saudi despite being a Muslim.
"Saudi Arabia is an absolute monarchy, although, according to the Basic Law of Saudi Arabia adopted by royal decree in 1992, the king must comply with Sharia (that is, Islamic law) and the Quran"

"The politics of Saudi Arabia takes place in the context of an absolute monarchy with some Islamic lines, where the King is both the head of state and government. Decisions are, to a large extent, made on the basis of consultation among the senior princes of the royal family and the religious establishment. The Qur'an is declared to be the constitution of the country, which is governed on the basis of Islamic law (Shari'a). "

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Saudi_Arabia


The Quran is the constitution of the country. That is a Muslim land.
In general usage "Muslim land" is a country that is Muslim majority, and follows sharia law.
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Old 11-05-2017, 03:05 PM
 
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My definition of a Muslim land is the land given to those who obey God, submit to God and thus are Muslims entirely due to that fact. The only land that was given to those who were submitting to God (and thus were Muslims) is the land called Holy Land...
when you say the "Holy Land" are you talking about the land today called Israel? Jerusalem? you are calling that a "Muslim land"?

and yet muslims do not pray in the direction of the Holy Land, they pray toward Mecca, Saudi Arabia.
when Muhamed first got his vision he was told to pray toward Jerusalem, and he did.
then he changed the direction of prayer AWAY from the the Holy Land, he literally turned his back on the Holy Land, and now Muslims pray towards Mecca.

in the Holy Land in Israel when muslims pray and prostrate, they literally turn their back to the Dome of the Rock, they point their rear ends to the Dome of the Rock

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_GOzHVVo91a...lim_prayer.jpg

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Old 11-05-2017, 06:19 PM
 
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There are a lot of muslims lands.
The majority are failures where all youngs only want to imigrate to western land.
The rest rely on natural ressources.

Not sure how deeply idiotic is your post?

Do you want me to name the predominantly Christian countries in South America and also many in Africa that are failures, and their residents would want to move to western countries?

Mexico must also be a Muslim country because many Mexicans want to come to USA, and that's why we are building the wall?
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Old 11-05-2017, 06:24 PM
 
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According to a number of unbiased research resources, the laws in Saudi Arabia are based on Islamic, Sharia law. So should I base my understanding of the laws governing Saudi Arabia on those sources, or you?
You should use your own research and find out how the leader of the country and the governing body is chosen and formed in sharia law, and then see if this is how the country leader is chosen in Saudia?

This should give you a good starting point.
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Old 11-05-2017, 07:06 PM
 
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You should use your own research and find out how the leader of the country and the governing body is chosen and formed in sharia law, and then see if this is how the country leader is chosen in Saudia?

This should give you a good starting point.
I know how the leader us chosen in Saudi Arabia. It is in fact a monarchy. In the early 1990s it was proclaimed that the monarchy must follow sharia law and the Quran was to basically be the constitution.
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Old 11-06-2017, 12:29 AM
 
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According to a number of unbiased research resources, the laws in Saudi Arabia are based on Islamic, Sharia law. So should I base my understanding of the laws governing Saudi Arabia on those sources, or you?
Unbiased research resources?

Have these "resources" ever lived in Saudi Arabia? I have stayed in Saudi Arabia 5 times. Sharia Law is not implemented there properly. Whatever the Saud family commands will be done. The family owns the whole land called Saudi Arabia.

Sharia Law can be implemented only by someone who is well aware of each law revealed by Allah that was not a temporary law for that time. Such a person must be fit for the purpose in his own conduct. Such a person was originally called, "Khalifah". Royal family of Saudi Arabia is not fit for that purpose.

Saudi Arabia is Saud family land rather than Muslim Land. No Muslim can buy even a piece of that land. How can it be called "Muslim Land"?
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