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Old 10-18-2017, 01:49 PM
 
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From memories, the mountains who are describe in Koran as motionless. Why science tell us the opposit.
In which verse of the Qur'aan?
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Old 10-18-2017, 01:58 PM
 
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In which verse of the Qur'aan?
Sourate 16:15

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Old 10-18-2017, 02:14 PM
 
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Sourate 16:15

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The Arabic word for "motionless" is "bila haraka". That word is not in the verse 16:15.
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Old 10-18-2017, 02:47 PM
 
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So how would you translate this verse?
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Old 10-18-2017, 11:30 PM
 
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So how would you translate this verse?
Sahih International: ... firmly set mountains ...

Pickthall: ...firm hills...

Yusuf Ali: ... mountains standing firm...

Mohsin Khan: ... firm mountains ...

Arberry: ... firm mountains ...

None of these translations say "motionless" mountain.

The Arabic word used in the Qur'aan 16:15 is "rawāsiya". It is used in 9 verses of the Qur'aan. It simply means "firm mountains" or "firmly set/fixed/cast" mountains.
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Old 10-19-2017, 02:24 AM
 
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There is still the notion that the mountains don't move.

Anyway there are many contradiction in koran.


*Who is the first muslim? Muhammad [6:14, 163], Moses [7:143], some Egyptians [26:51], or Abraham [2:127-133, 3:67] or Adam, the first man who also received inspiration from Allah [2:37]

*Can Allah be seen? Did mahomet see him? Yes [S. 53:1-18, 81:15-29], No [6:102-103, 42:51].
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Old 10-19-2017, 08:37 AM
 
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There is still the notion that the mountains don't move.
The notion is in your head or in the head of your Christian teacher only; the verse 16:15 does not say, "the mountains are motionless" or "the mountains do not move"..

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Anyway there are many contradiction in koran.

*Who is the first muslim? Muhammad [6:14, 163], Moses [7:143], some Egyptians [26:51], or Abraham [2:127-133, 3:67] or Adam, the first man who also received inspiration from Allah [2:37]

*Can Allah be seen? Did mahomet see him? Yes [S. 53:1-18, 81:15-29], No [6:102-103, 42:51].
Let me clarify this time whether these are real contradictions or mere notion in your head?
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Old 10-19-2017, 12:53 PM
 
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Just in case you do not understand last question in my last post, which giving wrong impression, read it:

Could you clarify this time whether these are real contradictions or mere notion in your head?[/quote]
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Old 10-19-2017, 02:42 PM
 
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Just in case you do not understand last question in my last post, which giving wrong impression, read it:

Could you clarify this time whether these are real contradictions or mere notion in your head?
I would need an explanation about it, indeed.


Who is the first muslim?
[6:14] Say, “Is it other than Allah I should take as a protector, Creator of the heavens and the earth, while it is He who feeds and is not fed?” Say, [O Muhammad], “Indeed, I have been commanded to be the first [among you] who submit [to Allah] and [was commanded], ‘Do not ever be of the polytheists.’ ”
=> Mahomet

(2:127) And (remember) when Ibrahim (Abraham) and (his son) Isma’il (Ishmael) were raising the foundations of the House (the Ka’bah at Makkah), (saying), “Our Lord! Accept (this service) from us. Verily! You are the All-Hearer, the All-Knower.”
=>Abraham

(3:67) Abraham was neither a Jew nor a Christian, but he was one inclining toward truth, a Muslim [submitting to Allah]. And he was not of the polytheists.
=>Abraham

(26:51) Indeed, we aspire that our Lord will forgive us our sins because we were the first of the believers.”
=>random egyptian
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Old 10-19-2017, 03:43 PM
 
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I would need an explanation about it, indeed.


Who is the first muslim?
[6:14] Say, “Is it other than Allah I should take as a protector, Creator of the heavens and the earth, while it is He who feeds and is not fed?” Say, [O Muhammad], “Indeed, I have been commanded to be the first [among you] who submit [to Allah] and [was commanded], ‘Do not ever be of the polytheists.’ ”
=> Mahomet

(2:127) And (remember) when Ibrahim (Abraham) and (his son) Isma’il (Ishmael) were raising the foundations of the House (the Ka’bah at Makkah), (saying), “Our Lord! Accept (this service) from us. Verily! You are the All-Hearer, the All-Knower.”
=>Abraham

(3:67) Abraham was neither a Jew nor a Christian, but he was one inclining toward truth, a Muslim [submitting to Allah]. And he was not of the polytheists.
=>Abraham

(26:51) Indeed, we aspire that our Lord will forgive us our sins because we were the first of the believers.”
=>random egyptian
"among you" means the people and tribes he (pbh) was addressing to, in his own era, and NOT among the entire history of mankind that was sent to earth.
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