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Old 10-12-2017, 03:29 PM
 
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Islam claims to be the complete and final revelation of God, yet here are a few points that don't make sense to me.

1. Islamic theologies (Sunni - Shia: Twelver/Druze/Alawite/Sevener/Fiver) are all radically different on teachings on the Afterlife, Example: Alawites number 3-5 million and believe in the 12 Imams like the traditional Twelver Shia, yet, they also believe in reincarnation. The Druze number 1-3 million and believe in 7 Imams like the Sevener Shia. But, they also believe in reincarnation like the Alawites.

2. "Most" Islamic scholars generally teach that the Jewish and Christian Holy Books have be corrupted over time. Yet, the most Holy Islamic book (Quran) refers to Jews and Christians as "People of the Book" several times. Why would the Islamic Lord, "Allah" hold the Jews, and Christians, and also the "Mysterious Sabians" with such high Esteem, and call them "People of the Book" if their religious texts are corrupted?

3. If God loves the Muslims, why would he make the most powerful countries of the whole world either, Secular, Christian, Communist, and arguable the lone Jewish state, as the most technologically, militarily, and economically advanced societies the world has ever seen in the 20-21st centuries? Why are nations that employ Islamic religious law "Sharia" at the state level so behind the rest of the world in the following listed above?

4. In current Western literature, Islamic Sharia Law is seen as oppressing women. In Saudi Arabia, women cant drive. In Iran, a veil must be worn by all women regardless of religion. Converting to another religion is punishable by death in several Muslim-majority nations. Yet, the Quran states that a person can be any religion they desire. Strange? Yes.
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Old 10-12-2017, 03:44 PM
 
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All religions have inconsistencies because they are human beings trying to define something beyond humanity's ability to understand.
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Old 10-12-2017, 04:50 PM
 
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Islam claims to be the complete and final revelation of God, yet here are a few points that don't make sense to me.

1. Islamic theologies (Sunni - Shia: Twelver/Druze/Alawite/Sevener/Fiver) are all radically different on teachings on the Afterlife, Example: Alawites number 3-5 million and believe in the 12 Imams like the traditional Twelver Shia, yet, they also believe in reincarnation. The Druze number 1-3 million and believe in 7 Imams like the Sevener Shia. But, they also believe in reincarnation like the Alawites.

2. "Most" Islamic scholars generally teach that the Jewish and Christian Holy Books have be corrupted over time. Yet, the most Holy Islamic book (Quran) refers to Jews and Christians as "People of the Book" several times. Why would the Islamic Lord, "Allah" hold the Jews, and Christians, and also the "Mysterious Sabians" with such high Esteem, and call them "People of the Book" if their religious texts are corrupted?

3. If God loves the Muslims, why would he make the most powerful countries of the whole world either, Secular, Christian, Communist, and arguable the lone Jewish state, as the most technologically, militarily, and economically advanced societies the world has ever seen in the 20-21st centuries? Why are nations that employ Islamic religious law "Sharia" at the state level so behind the rest of the world in the following listed above?

4. In current Western literature, Islamic Sharia Law is seen as oppressing women. In Saudi Arabia, women cant drive. In Iran, a veil must be worn by all women regardless of religion. Converting to another religion is punishable by death in several Muslim-majority nations. Yet, the Quran states that a person can be any religion they desire. Strange? Yes.
you mean a guy talking to an angel in a cave isn't the start of doubt?

but mohammad would be as sick as jesus if he saw what fundy's did to his plan.
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Old 10-12-2017, 05:47 PM
 
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Islam claims to be the complete and final revelation of God, yet here are a few points that don't make sense to me.

1. Islamic theologies (Sunni - Shia: Twelver/Druze/Alawite/Sevener/Fiver) are all radically different on teachings on the Afterlife, Example: Alawites number 3-5 million and believe in the 12 Imams like the traditional Twelver Shia, yet, they also believe in reincarnation. The Druze number 1-3 million and believe in 7 Imams like the Sevener Shia. But, they also believe in reincarnation like the Alawites.
There is no incarnation in the "final revelation of God". They must have learnt from an imam only.

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2. "Most" Islamic scholars generally teach that the Jewish and Christian Holy Books have be corrupted over time. Yet, the most Holy Islamic book (Quran) refers to Jews and Christians as "People of the Book" several times. Why would the Islamic Lord, "Allah" hold the Jews, and Christians, and also the "Mysterious Sabians" with such high Esteem, and call them "People of the Book" if their religious texts are corrupted?
The written books are not original word by word but in my view do not meet the criterion of "corrupted". Most of the truths are still in these books and can be followed for one's salvation.

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3. If God loves the Muslims, why would he make the most powerful countries of the whole world either, Secular, Christian, Communist, and arguable the lone Jewish state, as the most technologically, militarily, and economically advanced societies the world has ever seen in the 20-21st centuries? Why are nations that employ Islamic religious law "Sharia" at the state level so behind the rest of the world in the following listed above?
Two reasons:

Lack of education in Muslim majority countries and Islamic religious law is not applied properly.

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4. In current Western literature, Islamic Sharia Law is seen as oppressing women. In Saudi Arabia, women cant drive. In Iran, a veil must be worn by all women regardless of religion. Converting to another religion is punishable by death in several Muslim-majority nations. Yet, the Quran states that a person can be any religion they desire. Strange? Yes.
That's what I mean by "Islamic religious law is not applied properly".

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but mohammad would be as sick as jesus if he saw what fundy's did to his plan.
Jesus may be sick but Muhammad would be crying when he finds out that his followers had left the teachings of the Qur'an.
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Old 10-12-2017, 06:03 PM
 
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Don't even bother. You run into apologists like Khalif.

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Jesus may be sick but Muhammad would be crying when he finds out that his followers had left the teachings of the Qur'an.
Suuure, keep telling us that. I'm sure we'll all continue to believe that.

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As Wafa Sultan (who describes herself as a Muslim who does not adhere to Islam) puts it: "The problem with Christians is they aren't as good as Jesus. But thank God most Muslims are better than Muhammad."
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Old 10-12-2017, 09:08 PM
 
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Islam claims to be the complete and final revelation of God, yet here are a few points that don't make sense to me.

1. Islamic theologies (Sunni - Shia: Twelver/Druze/Alawite/Sevener/Fiver) are all radically different on teachings on the Afterlife, Example: Alawites number 3-5 million and believe in the 12 Imams like the traditional Twelver Shia, yet, they also believe in reincarnation. The Druze number 1-3 million and believe in 7 Imams like the Sevener Shia. But, they also believe in reincarnation like the Alawites.

2. "Most" Islamic scholars generally teach that the Jewish and Christian Holy Books have be corrupted over time. Yet, the most Holy Islamic book (Quran) refers to Jews and Christians as "People of the Book" several times. Why would the Islamic Lord, "Allah" hold the Jews, and Christians, and also the "Mysterious Sabians" with such high Esteem, and call them "People of the Book" if their religious texts are corrupted?

3. If God loves the Muslims, why would he make the most powerful countries of the whole world either, Secular, Christian, Communist, and arguable the lone Jewish state, as the most technologically, militarily, and economically advanced societies the world has ever seen in the 20-21st centuries? Why are nations that employ Islamic religious law "Sharia" at the state level so behind the rest of the world in the following listed above?

4. In current Western literature, Islamic Sharia Law is seen as oppressing women. In Saudi Arabia, women cant drive. In Iran, a veil must be worn by all women regardless of religion. Converting to another religion is punishable by death in several Muslim-majority nations. Yet, the Quran states that a person can be any religion they desire. Strange? Yes.
It doesn't work this way.
If you were in search of finding God, and if you were honest in your quest, then you should say, "I have accepted Judiaism or Christianity or Hinduism or Budhism or whichever, because it inspired me in this, this and this way, while I am moving on from Islam due to this, this and this reason".

And since it looks like Islam did not inspire you, you should move on and keep searching, unless you have already found what talks to your heart, in which case, you should share that experience of enlightenment with us.
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Old 10-12-2017, 09:18 PM
 
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It doesn't work this way.
If you were in search of finding God, and if you were honest in your quest, then you should say, "I have accepted Judiaism or Christianity or Hinduism or Budhism or whichever, because it inspired me in this, this and this way, while I am moving on from Islam due to this, this and this reason".

And since it looks like Islam did not inspire you, you should move on and keep searching, unless you have already found what talks to your heart, in which case, you should share that experience of enlightenment with us.
Except that Buddhism is not a god-centered religion.
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Old 10-12-2017, 10:39 PM
 
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Except that Buddhism is not a god-centered religion.
Only if you notice "or whichever" words that I wrote after Budhism, which means regardless of whether it God centered or not.
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Old 10-12-2017, 10:53 PM
 
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Only if you notice "or whichever" words that I wrote after Budhism, which means regardless of whether it God centered or not.
Okay. That's just not how I read it since you began with, "If you were in search of finding God...."
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Old 10-12-2017, 11:34 PM
 
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Okay. That's just not how I read it since you began with, "If you were in search of finding God...."
Yep, there are cases where one starts searching for God and ends up accepting Buddhism.
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