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Old 10-21-2017, 06:20 AM
 
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There seem to be different views among muslims about whether Islamic hell is a permanent or temporary is islamic hell permanent or temporary.

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Old 10-21-2017, 02:36 PM
 
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There seem to be different views among muslims about whether Islamic hell is a permanent or temporary is islamic hell permanent or temporary.
In my understanding it depends on one's sins. And these sins are bad actions based on free will.

There are some who are promised to stay in hell forever, and for others, it could be temporary; again, depending on their sins that would have outweighed their good deeds (even if they are Muslims).

In my understanding of the Islamic doctrine, there is only one sin that God has promised HE will not forgive, and that is, associating partners with God.

God is ONLY one, and he has NO partnership with anyone. This is the core of Islamic belief and Muhammad (pbuh) is his last and final messenger.

If someone who in their lives associated partners with God, but he repented before dying then he may be forgiven of this sin, but if someone died in the belief that associates partners with God, then he could be in trouble.

Quran also talks about the fate of hypocrites - which is pretty drastic.

I think these hypocrites are primarily those who pretend to be Muslims from the outside but deep in their hearts, they are not.
There were quite a few of such people in the era of Muhammad(saw) who were fake Muslims (such as members of ISIS who pretend to be Muslims but they are not)

But again, that's my opinion. Perhaps someone else can elaborate better on this.

May God have mercy on all.
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Old 10-21-2017, 03:03 PM
 
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The idea of imposing temporary suffering via fire, etc on someone who rejects a particular belief, is already so sick, twisted ,perverted and evil, that there really aren't any superlatives for permanent suffering.
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Old 10-21-2017, 09:18 PM
 
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The idea of imposing temporary suffering via fire, etc on someone who rejects a particular belief, is already so sick, twisted ,perverted and evil, that there really aren't any superlatives for permanent suffering.
When someone already knows that his certain actions could result in adverse consequences, and he still does it. Isn't that more of a wired situation?

Why would you put your hand in fire when you know it will burn your skin? It's a choice that you make based on free will.

Now, you may NOT have this faith - which again, is your own choice. There is no compulsion. Believe what you want and believe what you don't. We shall wait and we will see.
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Old 10-22-2017, 12:55 AM
 
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When someone already knows that his certain actions could result in adverse consequences, and he still does it. Isn't that more of a wired situation?

Why would you put your hand in fire when you know it will burn your skin? It's a choice that you make based on free will.

Now, you may NOT have this faith - which again, is your own choice. There is no compulsion. Believe what you want and believe what you don't. We shall wait and we will see.
Do you ever ask yourself why the god you have chosen to believe in, likes to torture people?
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Old 10-22-2017, 01:49 AM
 
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Do you ever ask yourself why the god you have chosen to believe in, likes to torture people?
God doesn't like to torture people; people knowingly do things so that God will torture them.

God won't torture me if I worship Him instead of idols.
God won't torture me if I don't kill any peaceful person.
God won't torture me if I do good deeds that will help other human beings, earthly life and the earthly environment.
God won't torture me if do not steal, rob anyone or drop a bomb on people.

If God has made you exist, appreciate it, respect it and don't do anything that will make you undeserving of it.

Keep in mind that you will neither live nor die in Hell. Which means, it doesn't matter if hell is temporary or permanent; you will neither be living in it not dying in it.

Paradise is the place where you can live forever. It's entirely up to you if you aim to there or not.
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Old 10-22-2017, 05:05 AM
 
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God doesn't like to torture people; people knowingly do things so that God will torture them.

God won't torture me if I worship Him instead of idols.
God won't torture me if I don't kill any peaceful person.
God won't torture me if I do good deeds that will help other human beings, earthly life and the earthly environment.
God won't torture me if do not steal, rob anyone or drop a bomb on people.

If God has made you exist, appreciate it, respect it and don't do anything that will make you undeserving of it.

Keep in mind that you will neither live nor die in Hell. Which means, it doesn't matter if hell is temporary or permanent; you will neither be living in it not dying in it.

Paradise is the place where you can live forever. It's entirely up to you if you aim to there or not.
So Islamic hell is not an eternal existence for a person only temporary.
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Old 10-22-2017, 05:36 AM
 
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So Islamic hell is not an eternal existence for a person only temporary.
I didn't say it is temporary. I said one will neither live nor die in hell. That doesn't sound like existence to me; does it? Think of it, what kind of existence it can be when you are in an abyss where you neither live nor die?

All the verses I have read, it is made clear that one will be in the garden (paradise) "forever" but nothing like that about hell. None says that it would be temporary either. From that, my understanding is that it is more like permanent than temporary.
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Old 10-22-2017, 07:24 AM
 
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Do you ever ask yourself why the god you have chosen to believe in, likes to torture people?
Do you ever ask yourself that why would a judge hand-over punishment to someone who has raled and killed a child?
That judge must be a sicko. After all, why would someone face the consequences of his actions, right?
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Old 10-22-2017, 11:51 AM
 
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Do you ever ask yourself that why would a judge hand-over punishment to someone who has raled and killed a child?
That judge must be a sicko. After all, why would someone face the consequences of his actions, right?
It depends on the punishment

If the judges punishment included torture through fire, I would consider that extremely sick, and see it as my moral obligation to try and destroy such a perverted system.



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God doesn't like to torture people; people knowingly do things so that God will torture them.

God won't torture me if I worship Him instead of idols.
God won't torture me if I don't kill any peaceful person.
God won't torture me if I do good deeds that will help other human beings, earthly life and the earthly environment.
God won't torture me if do not steal, rob anyone or drop a bomb on people.

If God has made you exist, appreciate it, respect it and don't do anything that will make you undeserving of it.

Keep in mind that you will neither live nor die in Hell. Which means, it doesn't matter if hell is temporary or permanent; you will neither be living in it not dying in it.

Paradise is the place where you can live forever. It's entirely up to you if you aim to there or not.
Fear is a powerful tool.
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