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Old 12-02-2017, 07:40 PM
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A newly married gay couple hoped “to show the whole world that you can be gay and Muslim” after their wedding. Why is the Islamic community in the UK opposed to this? Tellingly, their families did accept it.

Are there any progressive mosques? If not, why not? Is it that whole bida thing ya'll were talking about?

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Old 12-02-2017, 09:27 PM
 
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A newly married gay couple hoped “to show the whole world that you can be gay and Muslim” after their wedding. Why is the Islamic community in the UK opposed to this? Tellingly, their families did accept it.

It's called freedom of choice - sort of weird that you being living in USA, having a hard time in understanding this concept?

The guy wanted a gay partner, he excercised his right to choose, so he did, and got married to another gay.

Family members and/or some part of his community did not want to partcipate in the ceremony (remember, they didn't forcefully stop this Bengoli gay from excercising his right to choose), so some members of family and his community chose their right, not to participate.

What is so hard to understand here? You don't believe in freedom of choice or you think everyone MUST become a gay in order for the society to become "progressive"?

We have a right to choose, and it's not a problem as long as we don't break the law and optionally, be continous of common code of human morality.

Both parties above did that. If you don't believe in freedom of choice under law, you should consider moving to Torah Borah or something.

And by the way, what's your next standard for the society to become "progressive", incest?

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Old 12-03-2017, 03:52 AM
 
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A newly married gay couple hoped “to show the whole world that you can be gay and Muslim” after their wedding.
Gay couple? Which one is wife and which one is husband? According to the couple, both are each other's husband. Husband with no wife. Can you be husband of your husband? What happens to the "thy wedded wife"? And which one will bear children? No children mean end of the mankind eventually. Which one is going to be called "mommy" and which one "daddy"? I see two daddies in this family but no mommy.

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Why is the Islamic community in the UK opposed to this? Tellingly, their families did accept it.
Anything that leads to the end of mankind on earth should be opposed. We all have right of opinion, don't we? Why should others force us to accept their opinion? If anyone wants to do something, it's his/her right but don't force others to do the same.

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Are there any progressive mosques? If not, why not? Is it that whole bida thing ya'll were talking about?
There is no same sex marriage in Islam. Islamically, no wordings exist that can be used to marry two men or two women. Islamic requirements for marriage are two; Nikah and Haq Mehr. Nikah is always between a man and a woman. Haq Mehr is always given by the husband to his wife and never the other way round. If any of these requirements are not met the marriage cannot be a valid marriage in Islam, and therefore in the mosque. This rules out any such marriage in Islam and therefore in a mosque. Mosques are community centres. These are run by the community. It is the community that decides what happens in there.

Worshiping idols is legal in the UK. Muslims are not going to stop anyone worshiping idols in the UK but idol worshiping can't be forced on Muslims and in mosques in the UK. The same goes for drinking alcohol. It's legal but Muslims have the choice not to drink it. Making such choice is also legal in the UK.

By the way, one can't be a Muslim by doing un-Islamic acts.
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Old 12-03-2017, 04:06 AM
 
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And by the way, what's your next standard for the society to become "progressive", incest?
Good question!

Shouldn't incest between two consenting adults be legal and "progressive" in a society in which consenting adult marrying another consenting adult is legal and "progressive"?
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Old 12-09-2017, 05:37 PM
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Gay couple? Which one is wife and which one is husband? According to the couple, both are each other's husband. Husband with no wife. Can you be husband of your husband? What happens to the "thy wedded wife"? And which one will bear children? No children mean end of the mankind eventually. Which one is going to be called "mommy" and which one "daddy"? I see two daddies in this family but no mommy.

Anything that leads to the end of mankind on earth should be opposed. We all have right of opinion, don't we? Why should others force us to accept their opinion? If anyone wants to do something, it's his/her right but don't force others to do the same.

There is no same sex marriage in Islam. Islamically, no wordings exist that can be used to marry two men or two women. Islamic requirements for marriage are two; Nikah and Haq Mehr. Nikah is always between a man and a woman. Haq Mehr is always given by the husband to his wife and never the other way round. If any of these requirements are not met the marriage cannot be a valid marriage in Islam, and therefore in the mosque. This rules out any such marriage in Islam and therefore in a mosque. Mosques are community centres. These are run by the community. It is the community that decides what happens in there.

Worshiping idols is legal in the UK. Muslims are not going to stop anyone worshiping idols in the UK but idol worshiping can't be forced on Muslims and in mosques in the UK. The same goes for drinking alcohol. It's legal but Muslims have the choice not to drink it. Making such choice is also legal in the UK.

By the way, one can't be a Muslim by doing un-Islamic acts.
There is no wife quit obviously.

It is an exercise in polemics to say that homosexual marriage will be the end of mankind. Gay people are a small and steady percentage of society -- in every society -- including Islamic societies.
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Old 12-10-2017, 04:20 AM
 
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There is no wife quit obviously.
Then it is the end of wife "eventually".

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It is an exercise in polemics to say that homosexual marriage will be the end of mankind.
End of mankind "eventually". No wife and no children mean end of mankind. It's not an attack but a warning.

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Gay people are a small and steady percentage of society -- in every society -- including Islamic societies.
As explained, no Islamic society will accept a gay marriage in Islam. What they do outside Islam is not Islamic.

I was born in an Islamic society and for the first sixteen years of my life there I hadn't heard of even one homosexual for many miles around that place. All men were marrying women and the odd one who never married did not marry because he was homosexual.

As for the "small and steady" percentage of society as gay, many of them are also perfectly normal heterosexual people with wives at home. They choose to be homosexual as well. It is their action that is "eventually" going to help end of the mankind.
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Old 12-11-2017, 04:29 PM
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Then it is the end of wife "eventually".

End of mankind "eventually". No wife and no children mean end of mankind. It's not an attack but a warning.

As explained, no Islamic society will accept a gay marriage in Islam. What they do outside Islam is not Islamic.

I was born in an Islamic society and for the first sixteen years of my life there I hadn't heard of even one homosexual for many miles around that place. All men were marrying women and the odd one who never married did not marry because he was homosexual.

As for the "small and steady" percentage of society as gay, many of them are also perfectly normal heterosexual people with wives at home. They choose to be homosexual as well. It is their action that is "eventually" going to help end of the mankind.
So you do not distinguish between exclusively gay people and persons who are bisexual. Moreover, you believe that married bisexuals will end mankind.
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Old 12-12-2017, 04:49 AM
 
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So you do not distinguish between exclusively gay people and persons who are bisexual. Moreover, you believe that married bisexuals will end mankind.
Are you claiming that "exclusively gay people" can't be heterosexual? Even those who claim to be gay are able to have heterosexual relationship.

And yes, both so-called "exclusively gay" and bisexual people will end mankind "eventually". It is everyone's duty to make sure that human kind remain in existence and flourishing on earth and not become extinct. It's not a duty only of the heterosexual people but of all people.
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Old 12-15-2017, 06:41 PM
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Are you claiming that "exclusively gay people" can't be heterosexual? Even those who claim to be gay are able to have heterosexual relationship.

And yes, both so-called "exclusively gay" and bisexual people will end mankind "eventually". It is everyone's duty to make sure that human kind remain in existence and flourishing on earth and not become extinct. It's not a duty only of the heterosexual people but of all people.
Are you claiming that "exclusively gay people" can't be heterosexual?

Yes, I am claiming that an exclusively gay person cannot be heterosexual. He or she can only pretend as though he or she is a heterosexual. If you have proof to the contrary, let's see it.
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Old 12-16-2017, 12:50 AM
 
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Are you claiming that "exclusively gay people" can't be heterosexual?

Yes, I am claiming that an exclusively gay person cannot be heterosexual. He or she can only pretend as though he or she is a heterosexual. If you have proof to the contrary, let's see it.
I am speaking from what they have said in another discussion forum about themselves. One was adamant that he likes homosexual relationship even though he can have a perfectly normal heterosexual relationship.

What proof do you have that those pretending to be "exclusively gay people" can't be heterosexual people?
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